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WikiCite[edit]

This project certainly looks inactive from the Meta page, but don't you think it's still worth doing? Would such a project need WikiData to be implemented? If not, what kind of development effort is necessary? Thanks, Oldak Quill 20:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I do! Some people are working on a variation on it in another wiki environ... +sj | help with translation |+ 17:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


translators-l and gmane[edit]

I see that you, Britty and Sabine are responsible for translators-l. Would it be possible to put the list on gmane? One of our translators always read the other Wikimedia mailing lists there. I am not sure I can make him add another mailing list system to his email, to read translators-l, so it would be greatly appreciated. It looks like this is where you add stuff to gmane. // habj 17:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh hasn't it? I support this proposal. Please do. --Aphaia 10:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
yes, this is a great idea. I just submitted the suggestion, linking to translators as the relevant URL... +sj | help with translation |+ 18:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


Open-source Ticket Request System[edit]

Hi Sj,

I saw you listed on the OTRS page. I am an administrator over at Wikibooks and I was wondering if you could answer a question that i need answering. The book b:The Guide for Electronic Theses and Dissertations is not currenly licensed under the GFDL, it is copyrighted. The owners have expressed an interest in allowing the book to be used on wikibooks. However, they are not entirely sure how to do this.

Upon holding conversations with other user's and contributors to the wikimedia projects, I am under the impression that there are two key ways of making this happen. The first involves the copyright holder altering the copyright notice on their website, the other involves the OTRS system, through the permissions channel. However, i am not familiar with the OTRS system and before i can explain how it works to the copyright owner, I need to know myself.

I would recommend that they clearly state the new license on their website, preferably with a scan of a signed document that can be uploaded there and on wikibooks itself. They could also email the same image to the permissions mailing list. Sj

Would the copyright owner need to send an email directly to the OTRS channel, or could correspondance be forwarded from myself? What exactly needs to be sent in the email outlining permission? Where exactly would permission need to be sent? etc...

If you could please mull over these questions and get back to me as soon as possible, it would be greatly appreciated.

Regards, Urbane 15:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem. It's great to find authors willing to freely license their works, and we should facilitate it as smoothly as we can. +sj | help with translation |+ 01:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

לערי ריינהארט[edit]

Hi Sj! You are a « bureaucrat» at « Meta: » . Can you please rename my account clicking here. Thanks in advance! Best regards
·‎Gangleri·Th·T·email me·‎ 11:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done by the way --Herby talk thyme 15:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Nice new username! Let's hear it for utf-8.... +sj | help with translation |+ 18:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


2008[edit]

Board election question : image licensing[edit]

Hi. If you would, please answer this question. I'm not involved with WikiNews, but it's very important to me, too. — Omegatron (talk) 00:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Board question[edit]

Well, yes... but I would prefer general answers (something like "stewards will delete such images", or "small projects without an EDP and proved skills have by default they're local upload disabled", I really don't know). --Nemo 07:52, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


Congrats[edit]

Good luck over the next two years. Sarcasticidealist 20:30, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations and a lot of luck as a board member. I am really happy to see you in the board. Dror_K 20:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Call it intuition, but I knew you would be within the first five members of the list. My congratulations to you and the best of luck. You deserve it and I'm sure you will do a perfect work. --Góngora (TES) 21:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, and congratulations! Looking forward to seeing you again at Wikimania. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 21:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Good luck to you in this new role! --BradPatrick 21:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll be standing ready with the aspirin :) congratulations! -- phoebe 21:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Eh ! you made it in the end ! That's a good thing and I'm happy you'll be there in the next two years. Thanks. Anthere

Nod, I guess it will be a very different job. But no less fascinating ;) Anthere

Congrats! --MaanMeis 01:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm late, but... Congrats! --Nemo 22:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Congrats SJ :) --Bcjordan 00:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations on being elected as Trustee. – Kaihsu 11:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Congrats. --Ascánder 14:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


I am very happy for your victory, I´m a new user in es wikipedia and I only want to wish you happiness and prosperity in the mandate, I only ask you to be benevolent and friendly and have good luck in the future Attentivly: NazcaiN

Congratulations for win the 2009 Board Elections! Good luck! =) Tosão 19:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you all for the warm wishes! You are the best. SJ talk | translate  


Proposal: The general rules of language use in Wikimedia[edit]

Hello, Sj!

I am a professional anthropologist and at the same time, a man with considerable experience as a politician and as a party to legal conflicts. I am very interesting by those most bitter conflicts in the Wikipedia community around the creation of Wikipedia in those or other languages. This, in particular, the sharp conflicts over language: Volapük, Lombardian, Siberian, Klingon, Quenya, Toki Pona, Moldovan.

[I note that the closing pages of the Moldovan and Siberian languages was partly inspired by political motives, respectively, the representatives of Romanian and Russian languages. There is no doubt in the existence of a group of Siberian dialects of the Russian language, and there is no doubt in the existence of a formal written language, which was called "Moldovan" and was considered different from Romanian.]

I believe that decisions on these matters do not meet many of the panellists. This means that the problem of the continued functioning of languages of the Wikipedia needs more regulation. Should be introduced simple and obvious rules, which could satisfy all. Moreover, these rules should be considered obvious and fair to all members of the Wikipedia community. These rules I have set out in the form of a few simple and universal legal norms. These rules have a few sources.

....for the full comment, see Proposal: The general rules of language use in Wikimedia

Best Regards, Ihor Rassokha, Ukraine Paccoxa 20:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for this detailed proposal. Some of these ideas are both good and new. The right place to take this up is with the language committee, or on the discussion page about language-acceptance standards. Their work is currently supported by the Foundation and communities. You can also raise such issues on Meta's Wikimedia Forum if you do not find the answers you seek. SJ · talk | translate 01:07, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Wmania 2010[edit]

No I didn't. But 2011 or 2012 i can to think ... :) Maybe it will in Rio de Janeiro, where i live. Tosão 12:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok, hope to see you one way or another! -- sj · translate · + 20:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Are you from Boston, really? Tosão 01:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes; come to a meetup one day! SJ+

Grants[edit]

SJ- I saw that you were active on an inactive Meta page about grants. While that conversation seemed to be more focused on getting external grants, we're now trying to pull together the WMF Mission Activities Grant process which was piloted this fiscal year with chapter grants. I welcome your input on any part of the process. Thanks!Jennifer Riggs 20:47, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I was active there once and even on the long-dormant grantswiki (!)... which we should finally close and definitively merge (say, into a combination of meta and internal, to preserve history). I'll think a bit about how to handle MAG ideas - is there more written about it than on the WMF grants page you link above? -- sj · translate · + 13:14, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on the Chapter Grants feedback page: NB: it can be hard to get feedback when you ask for it with too much specificity :) Inviting anyone to leave comments may draw more input than breaking it down into this fixed set of topics. -Does creating other categories for general questions or feedback invite more participation? Or is better to just wipe out all categories and group them together later for summary? Thanks for your input!Jennifer Riggs 17:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


2009[edit]

Subpages[edit]

Hello there. I appreciate the history of the argument about subpages and your comment, but would you mind justifying your assertion that subpages are not appropriate in this instance? You've made the remark without explaining it. Cheers, —Anonymous DissidentTalk 04:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

ht.wp[edit]

Hi! We've discussed the issue with ht:User:Masterches, the only active person @ht.wp at that time and one who bot-created acticles in question. There was his agreement to revise marked articles and either to delete them or to add some valid content and/or interwiki links. See here and here. There was no problem at that time. The issue has raised from here and here. If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask on my local talk page. Regards, --Volkov 06:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Volkov. ht:wp has active admins... were they part of this discussion as well? It would be nice to clear up the situatio none way or another. -- sj | help translate |+
If I'm not mistaken, Masterches was the only active person on ht.wp at that time. Active admins means exactly him. Another one is inactive since August 2007. --Volkov 22:47, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Ok, that sounds like a fine solution (and it looks as though it is being resolved in the months since.)

Image gallery and account[edit]

sj, thanks for the message called Image gallery telling me Mihailov had marked my user page for speedy deletion. You know what? When I created that page I was under the impression I was in wikimedia commons. Don't know how I made that mistake, but I really belong there instead of in meta wiki. I don't think it's bad to have the images deleted here, since they're being used from commons. It makes most sense to me to have my username and all erased from meta wiki, but I don't know how to do that. Do you? Thanks for your attention, Hisland7 11:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

The easy solution would be to replace your page with a link to your commons userpage; that's easy enough. And you may want to have a unified-login user account, in which case you would have an account here anyway. -- sj | help translate |+ 23:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note[edit]

sj, thanks for the note. Interesting information. I'll do as you say. By the way, most of those images went into an article I have worked a ton on with the username, Manray00, called Edgewater, NJ, if you'd like to see it. All the best.Hisland7 20:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The easy solution would be to replace your page with a link to your commons userpage; that's easy enough. And you may want to have a unified-login user account, in which case you would have an account here anyway. But I like your gallery! There's nothing wrong with having a gallery on meta; this is one of the most laid back wikis, where people from all projects are encouraged to share information about themselves and their work elsewhere. M. was just being energetic about avoiding wiki-spam, I think, which links across wikipedia projects are not. (If they were non-free images you were hotlinking, well... :) Cheers, -- sj | help translate |+ 23:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
sj, I checked my account on commons, and it appears I have a unified sign in. Maybe this is default (or did you have a hand in this???)... Thank you for your help. By the way, isn't there a way for me to communicate between talk pages without my pasting your responses here to your talk page? Cheers, Hisland7 13:43, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Alas, that's the normal way it's done today on mediawiki. Of course you might mention this annoyance on the usability project that is underway. -- sj | help translate |+ 18:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


New Licensing[edit]

I saw your comment about how the current system is slightly superior. Were you referring to the current licensing or the new proposed dual license? --69.224.76.66 15:42, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

(I am Blue Tie on wikipedia).

I meant that the current system of having copyleft licenses (by-sa) as the default everywhere, is slightly superior, from the perspective of increasing access to knowledge over the next few years, to a public domain license. -- sj | help translate |+ 18:26, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Almabot[edit]

Hello, thanks for your trust for getting the global bot flag for Almabot. Nakor 13:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

No trouble. I'd like to see that process become easier for well-known bots. -- sj | help translate |+


Wikivoices Invite[edit]

Hi Sj,
On behalf of Wikivoices, a community podcast based on the English Wikipedia, I would like to invite you (and all the other Board of Trustees candidates) to a round table interview on Skype to be held at 10:00:00 p.m. Friday July 24, 2009 in UTC. The format of this interview will be question-answer style whereby interested members of the community will pose questions to one or all of the candidates involved. If you would like any further information about the process or Skype, please contact Durova or myself on the English Wikipedia. Please be advised that spaces are limited and the sign up page can be found here. We look forward to your attendence at this event. Cheers   «l| Promethean ™|l»  (talk) Promethean 03:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Promethean. I hope to talk to you then. -- sj | help translate |+


Signpost interview request[edit]

Samuel, I invite you to answer a set of questions for the Wikipedia Signpost about your board candidacy: w:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009 Board elections/Samuel Klein. If you choose to do so, please let me know. I also encourage you to respond by 26 July; interviews with all candidates who respond will be publicized in the 27 July issue of the Signpost.

Faithfully, Ragesoss 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the invitation, Sage. I am working through my messages and will answer these questions over the weekend. -- sj | help translate |+ 19:55, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


Board Candidate's statement table[edit]

The changes that you made have been translated into the spanish version of the candidates' page, tell me if you notice any error. Although I also work with russian and german, I rather not translate complex text like the statements of the candidates (many who use non-simple phrases and specialized use of the language) in which I may do mistakes due my basic skills in those languages. By the way, nice contributions to wikimedia, my congratulations! - Damërung . -- 10:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


Dup[edit]

You have two Wikispecies sections on User:Sj/Projects. :-) --Nemo 00:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! deduped. -- sj | translate | vote! |+ 04:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


Thanks, Salamat,[edit]

Thanks for that welcome,

I was here before, well.. on wikipedia that is... I didn't like it there coz of quite a few reasons, count me in! I'll help you translate :D Mjcruz 14:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Wonderful, and always needed. -- sj | translate | +


help[edit]

How do I create a user page here? it dosent seem to respond well to me LOLz! perhaps im not really good at encoding Thanks! Mjcruz 14:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I see birdy got there before me :) -- sj | translate | +


Signature pipes[edit]

Please add <nowiki> tags to the pipes in your signature, or remove them. They have been disrupting templates. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 08:57, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

s/|/· -- sj · translate · + 15:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


File:Sj-goldberg.jpg[edit]

Hi SJ,

I'm wondering if you know this file can be released under a free license so it can be moved to Commons?

Best regards, Huib talk 07:47, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll get back to you about that :) Sj+ translate 18:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, as noted on the page. SJ+


Proposal: The general rules of language use in Wikimedia[edit]

Hello, Sj!

I am a professional anthropologist and at the same time, a man with considerable experience as a politician and as a party to legal conflicts. I am very interesting by those most bitter conflicts in the Wikipedia community around the creation of Wikipedia in those or other languages. This, in particular, the sharp conflicts over language: Volapük, Lombardian, Siberian, Klingon, Quenya, Toki Pona, Moldovan.

[I note that the closing pages of the Moldovan and Siberian languages was partly inspired by political motives, respectively, the representatives of Romanian and Russian languages. There is no doubt in the existence of a group of Siberian dialects of the Russian language, and there is no doubt in the existence of a formal written language, which was called "Moldovan" and was considered different from Romanian.]

I believe that decisions on these matters do not meet many of the panellists. This means that the problem of the continued functioning of languages of the Wikipedia needs more regulation. Should be introduced simple and obvious rules, which could satisfy all. Moreover, these rules should be considered obvious and fair to all members of the Wikipedia community.

These rules I have set out in the form of a few simple and universal legal norms. These rules have a few sources.

for more, see Proposal: The general rules of language use in Wikimedia

Main source: These rules follow from the main purpose of Wikipedia. The purpose of Wikipedia - creating the most complete and high quality on-line version of the encyclopedia in all languages of the Earth.

Second source: own practice of the Wikipedia community (especially the Language committee) in dealing with such issues, the presence in the practice of historical precedents.

The third source: the general universal principles of law that have proved themselves throughout the history of mankind, and which recognized the basic legal systems of almost all States, except in the most odious dictatorships. In this case there are two such universal principles:

1) A person shall not be liable for the acts of illegality which he could not have known. In particular, it should not be punished for acts which at the time they were committed were not illegal.

2) If people are free to enjoy certain rights, these rights they can not be taken away or limited. This is a very important universal principle, which dictates the obvious solution of a number of the most violent conflicts in the Wikipedia community.

Based on this latter principle, those languages that already have existing Wikipedia pages, or who have already obtained the right to create such pages in the wiki-Incubator, in any case can not be denied the right to own Wikipedia.

Because of this legal principle should be necessary to reopen the languages of the Wikipedia: Klingon, Toki Pona, Moldovan and Siberian.

On the other hand, these Wikipedias have been closed due to fair and honest reasons. So we must not allow the emergence of similar pages in the future. For this purpose, and should be taken these guidelines.


The general rules of language use in Wikimedia


A. Rules of use of existing languages in Wikimedia


1) Any language of Wikimedia may not be removed from it.


2) Administrators of each active Wikipedia in any language are obliged to care about the quality of Wikipedia articles. In particular, there is considered unacceptable the bot-creation of the main part of Wikipedia articles in any language.

In case of serious doubt as Wikipedia in this language guide Wikimedia Foundation may require the removal of all articles that have been bot-uploaded.


3) If necessary, bad-quality Wikimedia to correct the deficiencies can be returned to the Wiki-incubator.


4) In case if the language is used in two or more writing systems, separate sections for each type of writing is not created. Instead, is necessary to create a program that can translate the contents of any article on this language from one writing system into another.

We are welcoming the creation for any language of Wikipedia, program that gives the contents of articles into the International Phonetic Alphabet, as well as program that translates into the Latin transcription of the contents of articles in those languages, which made other writing systems.


B. Rules for the establishment of Wikipedia and Wiki-Incubator for new languages


1) In the Wikipedia and Wiki-incubator can be created sections in any native (living or dead) language, having the code ISO 639-3.


2) In the Wikipedia can be created partitions on any living language, not having the code ISO 639-3, if it satisfies the following conditions:

a) there are people for whom this language is native;

b) these language has a literature and electronic sites;

c) there is a scientific description of the language: its vocabulary and grammar;

d) The Wikipedia has pages devoted to this language in English and at least three other languages.


3) In the Wikipedia can be created sections on any recently extinct language, not having the code ISO 639-3, if it satisfies the following conditions:

a) The language died out not earlier than 1850;

b) there is a tutorial of the language;

c) these language has a literature and electronic sites;

d) there is the scientific description of the language: its vocabulary and grammar;

e) The Wikipedia has pages devoted to this language in English and at least three other languages.


4) In the Wikipedia can be created partitions on any dead language, not having the code ISO 639-3, if it satisfies the following conditions:

a) in that language existed and survived to the present day own rich literature;

b) there is a tutorial of the language;

c) these language has a modern literature and electronic sites;

d) there is the scientific description of the language: its vocabulary and grammar;

e) The Wikipedia has pages devoted to this language in English and at least three other languages.


5) All the languages that do not meet the criteria set out in paragraphs 1), 2), 3) and 4), are considered to be artificial.

In Wikipedia, there are sections of the following artificial (constructed) languages: Esperanto, Simple English, Ido, Novial, Intelingua, Interlingue (Occidental), Volapük, Lojban, Quenya, Klingon, Siberian, Toki Pona, and Lingua Franca Nova.

In the Wikipedia is not possible to create partitions on any other artificial languages.

As an exception, the decision to establish a section of Wikipedia in any other artificial language can be accepted Wikimedia Board of Trustees. In this case the language must meet all the requirements of paragraph 4) for the dead languages and have code ISO 639-3 and a level of development and popularity of not less than the Quenya in 2009.


6) If a native language has the code ISO 639-3, but does not satisfy the conditions about 2) or 3) or 4), proposal of this language can be rejected.


I believe that the adoption of these rules will remove all the stress and all the discussions around the language policy of Wikipedia.


My proposal regarding the registration of new languages

I don't propose “defining what makes a language”. If a language have own literature, this language is already defined as language by its writers, readers, editors and libraries. Every serious library takes account of each language separately. All modern libraries have electronic catalogs. If language has a website, this language is already defined as language by programmers.

There is website Ethnologue: “The purpose of the Ethnologue is to provide a comprehensive listing of the known living languages of the world. (…) Ancient, classical, and long-extinct languages are not listed (even though the ISO 639-3standard assigns codes to them), unless they are in current use (as in the scriptures or liturgy of a faith community)”.

So, I propose:

Profile (test questionnaire) for a new language of Wikipedia

  1. Language name in English language.
  2. Language name in native language.
  3. Status of language: living, recently extinct, dead, artificial.
  4. Its ISO 639-3 code (if exist).
  5. Article about this language in English Wikipedia.
  6. Articles about this language in three other Wikipedias.
  7. Three some websites in this language.
  8. Five modern (written at 20-21 century) books in this language with electronic catalogs of some libraries, where are these books.
  9. Vocabulary of this language as a book with electronic catalog of library or as a website.
  10. Grammar of this language as a book with electronic catalog of library or as a website.

For living languages:

  1. Article about this language in website Ethnologue.

For recently extinct, dead, artificial languages:

  1. Tutorial of the language as a book with electronic catalog of library or as a website.

For recently extinct languages:

  1. Summary, that the language died out not earlier than 1850: quotations from authoritative sources (websites).

For dead languages:

  1. Five published in 20-21 centuries books with ancient texts in this language, with electronic catalogs of some libraries, where are these books.

For artificial languages:

  1. Educational institution with the state license, where this language is learned; with website of this institution.
  2. Three different ongoing magazines in this languages with electronic catalogs of some libraries, where are these magazines.

If supporters of a new language are unable to complete the questionnaire, this language can not be accepted.

Best Regards, Ihor Rassokha, Ukraine Paccoxa 20:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for this detailed proposal. Some of these ideas are both good and new. The right place to take this up is with the language committee, or on the discussion page about language-acceptance standards. Their work is currently supported by the Foundation and communities. You can also raise such issues on Meta's Wikimedia Forum if you do not find the answers you seek. SJ · talk | translate 01:07, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Rename on gotwiki[edit]

I requested a rename not too long ago on the appropriate page, but I thought I could ask you if you could execute the move anyway. I wouldn't normally make another request whilst the first is up there and awaiting confirmation, but my account on got:wiki, a minor consideration, is the last account I want renamed before I can unify into a global account, and the lack of such a unification directly prevented me from contributing at least twice today on projects where I lack an account. Could you rename me at gotwiki per the request if you have the time, please? Thank you. —what a crazy random happenstance 00:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Indeed you can. Done. Sj+ translate 01:59, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! It is much appreciated. —what a crazy random happenstance 03:48, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

DBpedia[edit]

Ok, thanks for your suggestions, this actually makes a lot more sense. How do we delete all subpages of DBpedia/ontology? Could you do that for us? You can also just delete DBpedia/ontology I made a backup, of the things there, so if it's easier just delete this (and the subpages will probably be deleted too.) I will update the DBpedia-Bot description. If you don't mind we could even keep the Bot-Flag, as editing by the bot is now restricted to its own User Space only. We will then start creating the pages there, e.g. at User:DBpedia-Bot/ontology/Person. I'm not sure if I understood your comment about translate correctly. The page topic is about creating new languages on Meta. I'm interpreting it as a general page where things are discussed. Do I see that right? So, should we write something like an announcement there, so everybody knows. Or shall we write more something like a proposal/request for comments and wait for explicit allowance/authorization of our venture? 12:38, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah ok, so yes, I guess the ontology we create will add to the translation effort as each Class will have multilingual labels, DBpedia currently has abstracts for articles in 180 languages, I think. Maybe you can just delete DBpedia/ontology. We will recreate the subpages and I already made a backup of everything. I think this would be the easiest. As you are an admin I guess you can just go to DBpedia/ontology and click delete. This would save us a lot of time. Thanks, SebastianHellmann 09:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC)