Grants:IdeaLab/Identify knowledge or skill bottlenecks
What Wikimedia project(s) and specific areas will you be evaluating?
Is this project measuring a specific space on a project (e.g. deletion discussions), or the project as a whole?
Every Wikimedia project is affected.
Describe your idea. How might it be implemented?
There are many ways to approach this. The most promising approach is a combination of qualitative research to identify possible bottlenecks and some quantitative analysis of edits or log actions.
Are there experienced Wikimedians who can help implement this project?
If applicable, please list groups or usernames of individuals who you can work with on this project, and what kind of work they will do.
At the end of the project, there should be a list of bottlenecks to evaluate a community for, possibly grouped into different categories. For each bottleneck, there should be a clear definition and instructions how to "measure" whether this particular bottleneck exists for a community.
How would your measurement idea help your community make better decisions?
After you are finished measuring or evaluating your Wikimedia project, how do you expect that information to be used to benefit the project?
It would not directly lead to better decisions, but would shed a light on vital areas which often go unnoticed.
Do you think you can implement this idea? What support do you need?
Do you need people with specific skills to complete this idea? Are there any financial needs for this project? If you can’t implement this project, can you scale down your project so it is doable?
While I'm quite interested in thinking about this problem further, I'm afraid that I lack the necessary skills and time necessary. However, I'd be happy to collaborate with others on the topic.
About the idea creator
Longtime Wikipedian on the German-language Wikipedia with some experience in the technical parts.
- Llywrch (talk) 03:45, 24 July 2018 (UTC) As long as this survey is not limited to technical knowledge. And not just expertise in topic areas. For example, at one time en.wikipedia had several people fluent in Amharic, Tigrinya & Somali languages; now AFAIK we have no one competent in any of those languages. Considering how the Foundation is constantly harping on bridging the digital divide, the loss of these resources clearly frustrates the Foundation's ostensible efforts.
- The investigation is not limited to technical knowledge, but explicitly excludes expertise related to content topic areas. The latter is quite straightforward to find, as one can easily analyze the number of edits and the number of editors within say certain categories on Wikipedia. But having someone who writes/creates content on a specific topic or not is not crucial for community health. Skills which often go unnoticed, such as being able to coordinate various kinds of efforts on-wiki, or tasks like maintaining and updating noticeboards and calendars, being able to transform "Wikipedia is broken again"-style messages into bug reports which the WMF developers can work with, guiding newbies in navigating MediaWiki etc. are all examples of what I consider skills and knowledge vital for long-term community health. That's what I would like to see investigated and analyzed. If you have any suggestions on how to get this point across better, I'm happy for any hints!--Cirdan (talk) 18:37, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- There is a problem with those having specific expertise on a subject: their contributions might well be be substantial, but, constitute Original Research to the sticklers and be ejected, since there would be no article to be referred to amongst approved sources of references. And copying from or referring to one's own "research paper" or other publication (if it existed) would be self-promotional. This is more of a problem in the main W. collection. NickyMcLean (talk) 05:44, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- SupportSure, only (knowledge of) skills. To be combined with Grants:IdeaLab/A Certificate Course in Editing and Level tests. and with Grants:IdeaLab/Editor rescue.--Havang(nl) (talk) 11:02, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Yes, absolutely. This idea should merge with the other ideas of online coursework in Wikipedia editing. Ouranista (talk) 15:38, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support But I think the current form of this idea is extremely weak. There needs to be some epistemological foundation here. What does it mean to have knowledge or skill in some area? At the highest level, I think it means you understand the overall shape of the solution space and you know the important factual landmarks within that space, so you can solve problems or answer questions in meaningful ways. I like the example of a plumber. An expert plumber does need to know certain things that can be tested on paper, but the full knowledge of a plumber has to include such skills as how it feels to thread a pipe properly, and you have to test each aspect of the solution space in appropriate ways. (Warning: I am NOT a plumber and know nothing about the real assessment of that expertise.) Of course I'm trying to find the nails for my personal favorite hammer, EPR, but I don't see too much of a fit here... I suppose there could be a dimension for a contributor's broad versus narrow knowledge? You might ask broad contributors to help recognize candidates with local expertise, but it's much harder to ask a narrow contributor about the expertise of a deep expert from a different hole, even if it's nearby. Shanen (talk) 23:21, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- I don't want to assess knowledge, I want (someone) to figure out which skills/knowledge are critical to a functioning Wikimedia community to then assess whether a given community has a sufficient amount of users in possession of these skills. My idea is much more "meta" than your example.--Cirdan (talk) 13:41, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
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