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Grants: IdeaLab/Find it on Wikipedia!!![edit]

Hi Chris,

I have made changes to my project based on our discussions. I would appreciate it if you look at it and tell me what you think.

Also, i noticed that the icon: "Expand into a Rapid Grant" is still showing even after I have  applying. Is this normal?

--41.190.14.21 00:18, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

PROBLEM[edit]

Hi I JethroBT (WMF), I'm not glad about missing in the BAR-WP about the Vorlog:Navigationsleiste Gemeinden im Arrondissement Angers. Are you able to correct this Vorlog via program? Always I must delete this and I think, it's too much work for my colleague. Because deleting this Vorlog, it will'nt shown all the Gemeinden im Arrondissement Angers. Please look at the DE-WP because you can see, what I mean. It's better this will shown too in the BAR-WP, because I had a total overview to add all/the most articles again to ensure growth the BAR-WP. Thanks for positive answer, hoping zu can it do. Best regards -- Drahdiwaberling (talk) 22:25, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@Drahdiwaberling: I'm afraid I don't quite understand what your request is. It sounds like there is a navigation template (Vorlog:Navigationsleiste Gemeinden im Arrondissement Angers) that is missing on bar.wikipedia.org, and you would like to have it created there. It also sounds like something else needs to be deleted, and that this is related to some discussion or event on de.wikipedia.org, but I'm not sure what needs to be deleted or what thing on de.wikipedia you're referring to. Can you explain in a little more detail? Thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 17:37, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
O.k., I give you an example. Looking in the DE-WP at de:Opština Pećinci and you can see at this site below: Gemeinden im serbischen Bezirk SremInđija | Irig | de:Pećinci | Ruma | de:Šid | de:Sremska Mitrovica | de:Stara Pazova. This dates will not be shown in the BAR-WP, because it will be shown this: Vorlog:Navigationsleiste Gemeinden im Bezirk Srem. Because I should always delete this, you can't see the dates as shown above. When you can see it (as example) I could edit immediately as all new articles. I think, correcting the Vorlog as above is much effort for the administrator. The BAR-WP have only two or three...Best regards -- Drahdiwaberling (talk) 05:19, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
The task of replacing one template with another sounds like something that can be done with the de:Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser, but I'm not familiar with how it works myself. There is an IRC channel (#AutoWikiBrowserconnect) if you need help from folks who know how to use the software. Unfortunately, WMF Staff generally aren't permitted to modify article or other editorial project content, even navigational templates. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 23:48, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Im lost: Inspire or Inspirer ?[edit]

Hi, I am a bit lost on whether to translate or not the names with a capital. As it is said along pages, trade marks and product names are not translated. Application names: I have found mixed cases. But what for event names ? - what is the rule for translation in this case please ? Thank you.

@Wladek92: Thanks for your question. Keeping the name "Inspire" is generally correct. However, concerning French translations, there were members of the French Wikimedian community who objected to the term "Inspire" last year because of the term's association with a publication related to the militant Islamist organization, fr:Al-Qaïda dans la péninsule arabique (AQAP). A few members had suggested the alternative "Inspirer" which roughly captures the same meaning, so this exception seemed appropriate to me. I'm not sure if the term's association to the organization is still strong, but I would prefer using the term Inspirer in this case. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 22:52, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok, so I will use french word to keep coherence. But according to this point of view, other languages should also adopt a local translation - and it does not seem to be the case; ex: in German: Inspire-Kampagnen sind Diskussionsforen von der Dauer.... Do you confirm it is a specific case due to the events ?

@Wladek92: Another term is probably not necessary in other languages. I think this was a special case where the term Inspire had a dominant negative connotation for enough people in the French community, but this association is weak or nonexistent in other language communities. I am comfortable for there to be a little variation in how the name is translated in some language, but a separate term is not needed for each language. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 09:36, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Grants:IdeaLab/Wikademy[edit]

Hi, I was just wondering where I should go next with this project? It's a pretty big undertaking, and I don't know really where to go to find the users I need to help me. Thanks in advance! -- Sleyece (talk) 00:07, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Your opinion, please...[edit]

IdeaLab/FINDING collaborators is an uphill battle...

Thank you! All the Best! Shir-El too 12:48, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Idea[edit]

Hello and thank you for all that you do. I 'registered' an idea for editor retention. Would you mind taking a look and let me know if I wrote it up correctly? Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) (talk) 14:30, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Please[edit]

look at Grants:IdeaLab/Administrating the adminstrators.As much as I approach WMF's ever-constant-goal to improve community health, we can do significantly better than allowing a check-user blocked troll, to give ideas on the issue of administrating the administrators.Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 07:47, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

For record, stopped edit-warring and promised to stop socking is a claim to garner some sympathy (his en-wiki t/p consists of several edit-warring blocks and denied unblock-appeals, bordering on frivolous wiki-lawyering and as to the CU block, he did never admit to it).Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 07:51, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

And, honestly, you folks need to understand that criticism is very much necessary and you don't need to shove the opposes to the t/p, to lend a feel-good look to the main-grants-page.Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 07:51, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I've moved the idea out of the campaign because it's unclear how the idea is related to measurement. In terms of preventing the idea from being submitted, I don't know what options would have been feasible. Blocking the editor from contributing to the campaign would have required blocking the editor on Meta. I'm not permitted to do that, and as far as I know, a global block generally requires the editor to be blocked on multiple Wikimedia projects, and even then, it doesn't always happen. Speaking more generally outside of this case, trying to ascertain how believable or sincere the person's claims is subjective and requires context and this is not easy to ascertain based on an idea or a block on its own. Being blocked on a project also does not render everything you do or say as being frivolous.
you folks need to understand that criticism is very much necessary and you don't need to shove the opposes to the t/p, to lend a feel-good look to the main-grants-page.
I realize that submissions to IdeaLab and Inspire Campaigns do not operate like RfCs where support/oppose are centralized in one place-- this is intentional. I know it is easy to believe the goal is to create a "feel good" atmosphere, but that's a poor way to describe the rationale. Criticism almost always results in discussion around clarification, changes to the idea, or some other kind of back-and-forth, whereas agreement typically does not. The main page is to describe the idea and to have an idea of who supports it, why, and how they want to support it. Here is a perspective you should consider about why criticism is moved: During a previous campaign on addressing harassment, people would aggressively push their opposition of many ideas or distaste about the campaign in general, and it led many idea creators to stop participating and effectively killed ideas. This behavior was disruptive. Even when the criticism was fair and thoughtful, people would not come back to revisit their criticism after changes were made, so it gave the impression that the criticism was still relevant. When weighing whether to present support/oppose on the same page or to try a different system to prevent misunderstandings and open hostility toward idea creators and campaign topics, I chose to prioritize the latter every time. Volunteers and staff who review ideas know to read the discussion pages because the criticism is often valid when deciding whether an idea is feasible. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 09:42, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Another idea.......Precisely nothing but cluttering the feed.Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 08:24, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

This idea was just submitted today. I don't remove ideas from the campaign simply because they are incomplete or in the process of being drafted. No deadlines and all, you know? But I will montior this idea over the next day or two to see if there is any further activity. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 10:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Another one.Probably is a violation of safe-spaces-policy.See this and this, for a background.Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 08:46, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

This idea is unlikely to go anywhere merely because it lacks much in the way of detail, but again, it's not related to measurement, so I'll be moving it out of the campaign. Thanks. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 10:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
@Winged Blades of Godric: I recommend you stop trying to shut down ideas of others. FYI, I did admit to my wrongdoings in UTRS and freenode channel. I was still kicked out despite being honest. And the CU didn't even follow the rules before taking my talk page access. And actually I'm just narrating what happened to me to illustrate the problem. It is not just me who has been unfairly targeted. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 09:05, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
It's a long-established policy that frivolous unblock requests which are clear-cut lies will get your talk-page-access revoked because you are wasting administrator-time.Also, freenode isn't an official channel for any WP-related communication.And, that I refuse to engage with you any further, have the pleasure of the last word, shall you wish.Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 09:11, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Winged Blades of Godric There are no restrictions to issue unblock requests, see w:WP:NEVERUNBLOCK. You can make as many as you want and I would have likely eventually come clean. I did so in UTRS. Also UTRS is an official channel for unblock requests, and the guys on freenode too were Wiki admins. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 09:13, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
The only reasons to revoke talk page access are invalid or disruptive/vandal requests. Someone afraid of admitting they’re a sock and arguing they are not isn't either. I have read the policies and I suggest you stick to them. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 09:33, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Mr Jethro, can you restore my idea to the Inspire campaign? Mistreatment by the admins is a problem and it shouldn't be demoted to less visibilty because some have a problem. I don’t even troll or sock now. Not just at my block, I was even threatened with a block for uttering censorship when some users kept reverting me over one baseless reason or another. But the admins did nothing when I was alleged to be pushing an agenda even though I only added reliably sourced material. It is not just me who receives such a treatment at their hands obviously. If Godric opposes me, he should contact me at my talk page or idea page. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 09:21, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@MonsterHunter32: Creating ideas around the notion that admins can sometimes have poor judgment is not problematic (I am an admin on English Wikipedia as a volunteer, and I freely admit that I have made bad judgment calls), but your idea isn't really about how to capture when, how often, or in what circumstances admins behave or make decisions in ways that are inappropriate. Therefore, it's not a good fit in this campaign, but you are free to invite other community members to review your idea on IdeaLab. I have left some comments there-- I think you will need to start an RfC on English Wikipedia to create these roles, though I suspect there will be fairly prominent concerns about who is qualified to "watch the watchers", so to speak. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 10:25, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Okay I understand. I was only concerned because of Godric's attempt to discredit it. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 10:28, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Even if I do start a debate on it, I think there will be a lot of negative reception to it on Wikipedia, it’s already generating some here. Me being blocked in past will likely be extra ammo to those opposed even if I have improved. RfC is likely the only way but it will be tough. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 10:33, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to talk and advice. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 11:01, 22 July 2018 (UTC)