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Grants: IdeaLab/Find it on Wikipedia!!![edit]

Hi Chris,

I have made changes to my project based on our discussions. I would appreciate it if you look at it and tell me what you think.

Also, i noticed that the icon: "Expand into a Rapid Grant" is still showing even after I have  applying. Is this normal?

-- 00:18, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


Hi I JethroBT (WMF), I'm not glad about missing in the BAR-WP about the Vorlog:Navigationsleiste Gemeinden im Arrondissement Angers. Are you able to correct this Vorlog via program? Always I must delete this and I think, it's too much work for my colleague. Because deleting this Vorlog, it will'nt shown all the Gemeinden im Arrondissement Angers. Please look at the DE-WP because you can see, what I mean. It's better this will shown too in the BAR-WP, because I had a total overview to add all/the most articles again to ensure growth the BAR-WP. Thanks for positive answer, hoping zu can it do. Best regards -- Drahdiwaberling (talk) 22:25, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@Drahdiwaberling: I'm afraid I don't quite understand what your request is. It sounds like there is a navigation template (Vorlog:Navigationsleiste Gemeinden im Arrondissement Angers) that is missing on, and you would like to have it created there. It also sounds like something else needs to be deleted, and that this is related to some discussion or event on, but I'm not sure what needs to be deleted or what thing on de.wikipedia you're referring to. Can you explain in a little more detail? Thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 17:37, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
O.k., I give you an example. Looking in the DE-WP at de:Opština Pećinci and you can see at this site below: Gemeinden im serbischen Bezirk SremInđija | Irig | de:Pećinci | Ruma | de:Šid | de:Sremska Mitrovica | de:Stara Pazova. This dates will not be shown in the BAR-WP, because it will be shown this: Vorlog:Navigationsleiste Gemeinden im Bezirk Srem. Because I should always delete this, you can't see the dates as shown above. When you can see it (as example) I could edit immediately as all new articles. I think, correcting the Vorlog as above is much effort for the administrator. The BAR-WP have only two or three...Best regards -- Drahdiwaberling (talk) 05:19, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
The task of replacing one template with another sounds like something that can be done with the de:Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser, but I'm not familiar with how it works myself. There is an IRC channel (#AutoWikiBrowserconnect) if you need help from folks who know how to use the software. Unfortunately, WMF Staff generally aren't permitted to modify article or other editorial project content, even navigational templates. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 23:48, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Im lost: Inspire or Inspirer ?[edit]

Hi, I am a bit lost on whether to translate or not the names with a capital. As it is said along pages, trade marks and product names are not translated. Application names: I have found mixed cases. But what for event names ? - what is the rule for translation in this case please ? Thank you.

@Wladek92: Thanks for your question. Keeping the name "Inspire" is generally correct. However, concerning French translations, there were members of the French Wikimedian community who objected to the term "Inspire" last year because of the term's association with a publication related to the militant Islamist organization, fr:Al-Qaïda dans la péninsule arabique (AQAP). A few members had suggested the alternative "Inspirer" which roughly captures the same meaning, so this exception seemed appropriate to me. I'm not sure if the term's association to the organization is still strong, but I would prefer using the term Inspirer in this case. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 22:52, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok, so I will use french word to keep coherence. But according to this point of view, other languages should also adopt a local translation - and it does not seem to be the case; ex: in German: Inspire-Kampagnen sind Diskussionsforen von der Dauer.... Do you confirm it is a specific case due to the events ?

@Wladek92: Another term is probably not necessary in other languages. I think this was a special case where the term Inspire had a dominant negative connotation for enough people in the French community, but this association is weak or nonexistent in other language communities. I am comfortable for there to be a little variation in how the name is translated in some language, but a separate term is not needed for each language. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 09:36, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


Hi, I was just wondering where I should go next with this project? It's a pretty big undertaking, and I don't know really where to go to find the users I need to help me. Thanks in advance! -- Sleyece (talk) 00:07, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Your opinion, please...[edit]

IdeaLab/FINDING collaborators is an uphill battle...

Thank you! All the Best! Shir-El too 12:48, 21 July 2018 (UTC)


Hello and thank you for all that you do. I 'registered' an idea for editor retention. Would you mind taking a look and let me know if I wrote it up correctly? Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) (talk) 14:30, 21 July 2018 (UTC)


look at Grants:IdeaLab/Administrating the adminstrators.As much as I approach WMF's ever-constant-goal to improve community health, we can do significantly better than allowing a check-user blocked troll, to give ideas on the issue of administrating the administrators.Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 07:47, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

For record, stopped edit-warring and promised to stop socking is a claim to garner some sympathy (his en-wiki t/p consists of several edit-warring blocks and denied unblock-appeals, bordering on frivolous wiki-lawyering and as to the CU block, he did never admit to it).Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 07:51, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

And, honestly, you folks need to understand that criticism is very much necessary and you don't need to shove the opposes to the t/p, to lend a feel-good look to the main-grants-page.Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 07:51, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I've moved the idea out of the campaign because it's unclear how the idea is related to measurement. In terms of preventing the idea from being submitted, I don't know what options would have been feasible. Blocking the editor from contributing to the campaign would have required blocking the editor on Meta. I'm not permitted to do that, and as far as I know, a global block generally requires the editor to be blocked on multiple Wikimedia projects, and even then, it doesn't always happen. Speaking more generally outside of this case, trying to ascertain how believable or sincere the person's claims is subjective and requires context and this is not easy to ascertain based on an idea or a block on its own. Being blocked on a project also does not render everything you do or say as being frivolous.
you folks need to understand that criticism is very much necessary and you don't need to shove the opposes to the t/p, to lend a feel-good look to the main-grants-page.
I realize that submissions to IdeaLab and Inspire Campaigns do not operate like RfCs where support/oppose are centralized in one place-- this is intentional. I know it is easy to believe the goal is to create a "feel good" atmosphere, but that's a poor way to describe the rationale. Criticism almost always results in discussion around clarification, changes to the idea, or some other kind of back-and-forth, whereas agreement typically does not. The main page is to describe the idea and to have an idea of who supports it, why, and how they want to support it. Here is a perspective you should consider about why criticism is moved: During a previous campaign on addressing harassment, people would aggressively push their opposition of many ideas or distaste about the campaign in general, and it led many idea creators to stop participating and effectively killed ideas. This behavior was disruptive. Even when the criticism was fair and thoughtful, people would not come back to revisit their criticism after changes were made, so it gave the impression that the criticism was still relevant. When weighing whether to present support/oppose on the same page or to try a different system to prevent misunderstandings and open hostility toward idea creators and campaign topics, I chose to prioritize the latter every time. Volunteers and staff who review ideas know to read the discussion pages because the criticism is often valid when deciding whether an idea is feasible. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 09:42, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Another idea.......Precisely nothing but cluttering the feed.Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 08:24, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

This idea was just submitted today. I don't remove ideas from the campaign simply because they are incomplete or in the process of being drafted. No deadlines and all, you know? But I will montior this idea over the next day or two to see if there is any further activity. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 10:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Another one.Probably is a violation of safe-spaces-policy.See this and this, for a background.Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 08:46, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

This idea is unlikely to go anywhere merely because it lacks much in the way of detail, but again, it's not related to measurement, so I'll be moving it out of the campaign. Thanks. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 10:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
@Winged Blades of Godric: I recommend you stop trying to shut down ideas of others. FYI, I did admit to my wrongdoings in UTRS and freenode channel. I was still kicked out despite being honest. And the CU didn't even follow the rules before taking my talk page access. And actually I'm just narrating what happened to me to illustrate the problem. It is not just me who has been unfairly targeted. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 09:05, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
It's a long-established policy that frivolous unblock requests which are clear-cut lies will get your talk-page-access revoked because you are wasting administrator-time.Also, freenode isn't an official channel for any WP-related communication.And, that I refuse to engage with you any further, have the pleasure of the last word, shall you wish.Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 09:11, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Winged Blades of Godric There are no restrictions to issue unblock requests, see w:WP:NEVERUNBLOCK. You can make as many as you want and I would have likely eventually come clean. I did so in UTRS. Also UTRS is an official channel for unblock requests, and the guys on freenode too were Wiki admins. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 09:13, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
The only reasons to revoke talk page access are invalid or disruptive/vandal requests. Someone afraid of admitting they’re a sock and arguing they are not isn't either. I have read the policies and I suggest you stick to them. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 09:33, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Mr Jethro, can you restore my idea to the Inspire campaign? Mistreatment by the admins is a problem and it shouldn't be demoted to less visibilty because some have a problem. I don’t even troll or sock now. Not just at my block, I was even threatened with a block for uttering censorship when some users kept reverting me over one baseless reason or another. But the admins did nothing when I was alleged to be pushing an agenda even though I only added reliably sourced material. It is not just me who receives such a treatment at their hands obviously. If Godric opposes me, he should contact me at my talk page or idea page. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 09:21, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@MonsterHunter32: Creating ideas around the notion that admins can sometimes have poor judgment is not problematic (I am an admin on English Wikipedia as a volunteer, and I freely admit that I have made bad judgment calls), but your idea isn't really about how to capture when, how often, or in what circumstances admins behave or make decisions in ways that are inappropriate. Therefore, it's not a good fit in this campaign, but you are free to invite other community members to review your idea on IdeaLab. I have left some comments there-- I think you will need to start an RfC on English Wikipedia to create these roles, though I suspect there will be fairly prominent concerns about who is qualified to "watch the watchers", so to speak. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 10:25, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Okay I understand. I was only concerned because of Godric's attempt to discredit it. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 10:28, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Even if I do start a debate on it, I think there will be a lot of negative reception to it on Wikipedia, it’s already generating some here. Me being blocked in past will likely be extra ammo to those opposed even if I have improved. RfC is likely the only way but it will be tough. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 10:33, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to talk and advice. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 11:01, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

New Idea That Does Not Require a Grant.[edit]

I am just letting you know that I have created a new idea, but it does not require any funding. I'm not really sure how to proceed and I would appreciate if someone can get back to me and explain how this works. Thanks. J.A.R.N.Y.🗣📜 20:01, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Just A Regular New Yorker: I may not be an admin and your idea may not be same as mine, but like Jethro advised me, you should start an RfC involving the community especially if it concerns policy or a new mechanism. Taking the opinion of admins will especially be important. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 16:51, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
@Just A Regular New Yorker: Hey J.A.R.N.Y. MonsterHunter32 is correct. Your idea is something that will require a planned community discussion to implement. There is some guidance here related to starting a discussion about your idea. If you'd like, we can chat over e-mail or over voice chat so I can walk you through how this process works, what kind of work is required, and who you might consider reaching out to for support. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 19:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
I've decided to hold off for now based on feedback I received about the idea, but thanks anyway. J.A.R.N.Y.🗣 23:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Is money the only way to make a project move forward?[edit]

Or maybe the real problem is that I don't want your money? I suppose you could pay me to undertake one of the next steps, but I'm not really that interested and I should be focusing more on revising the textbook for my course that starts next month... Already?

For a concrete example, Wikipedia could try to pay me for the time I would have to spend studying how articles are rated and evaluated so the dimensions (of the reputations of the articles) could be defined more clearly and in a way that is symmetric with the yet-to-be-established reputations of the contributors. In other words, you could try to hire me to define MEPR-A more clearly, but I'd much prefer to just let most of that work be handled by someone who already knows how articles are "measured". Putting it in communications terms, I think the natural next step is to somehow find the people who are experts in evaluating Wikipedia articles and ask if any of them are interested in extending their expertise towards the contributors...

Another communications angle would be to find people who like to manage projects or write grant proposals. Again, I don't seem to be one of them. (Interesting realization is that among the various 'extensions' of my writing and editorial work with the research lab, very few of them involved project management, though there were a number of project proposals, sometimes with funding considerations included.) Shanen (talk) 01:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

@Shanen: There are other ways to move projects forward, but a project of the scope and size you have submitted would undoubtedly take an immense amount of time to develop, so it's not something I would expect to be done on a voluntary basis. Every once in a great while, someone does step up to take on someone else's project, but it's very unusual. I think this is because of the volunteer nature of the project, but that is just my take. I have a few ideas for how to contact folks who have experience with reviewing articles for quality, but am a bit tied up at the moment. I'll reply back here with some suggestions. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 15:50, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
@JethroBT: That's why I think it should be broken down to small increments, and I think there are a couple of natural approaches for first steps. However the main reason to reply is to ask you about Facebook's new member reputation system. I haven't been able to find out much about it except that it's a single dimension and completely automated. Shanen (talk) 19:05, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Blowing off steam[edit]

I have another idea however the grants page is closed, so I'm mentioning it here if Wikimedia has interest. It might need funding depending on what the Wiki wants. It's about blowing off steam and comes from my experience on editing at Wikia very briefly. Some of them have chat and forums where casual discussion can take place. In the past, I have across many frustrating experiences. Combined this with admin abuse and uncooperative users, the result has often been horrible, even leading me to trolling. While it is wrong, much of it happens due to frustration. I suggest that a safe space be created where users are encouraged to blow off steam in a casual carefree environment

In addition to casual chatting, joking about others should be allowed as long as they explicitly permit it. However of course it needs to be within the usual limits. There should be no malice in jokes therefore only good-humored satire should be allowed, no vandalism at all, no constant arguments over an issue. Such casual spaces can also act as a forum for resolving issues. Although IRC ios there, it's very clunky.

Probably we can set up something like a Discord server, though it will be needed to be limited to extended confirmed users to prevent vandalism. In case it's on-site, or a separate chat created by Wikimedia itself; it will of course require funding for servers, engineers and volunteers managing it etc MonsterHunter32 (talk) 04:37, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Timeless Newsletter • Issue 2[edit]

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The second issue of the Timeless newsletter is out.

The news: Themes are coming to Timeless! Your infobox and navbox templates in particular are probably going to look absolutely horrible in the new built-in night mode.

For more information, background, plans and progress updates, please see the full issue on Meta, complete with a ridiculous list of phabricator task links, gratuitous mention of other skins, and me complaining about the current state of MediaWiki skinning in general.

-— Isarra 01:48, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Grants:IdeaLab/Levels of Admins to create hierarchical order among editors[edit]

Hi, may I call your attention to Grants:IdeaLab/Levels of Admins to create hierarchical order among editors? It’s a bit lost, not using the form, and it’s not linked. Regards --Schniggendiller (talk) 08:12, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

@Schniggendiller: Thanks for calling my attention to it, I'll update it with the appropriate form. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 18:17, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


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Hello JethroBT (WMF), I hope you are well. I just saw that you intend to hold a teleconference on November 13 to help anyone submit a project proposal. I am very interested but the problem is that I speak French so I do not know if you can help me write outside the Hangout. Best regards --Modjou (talk) 15:39, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Modjou, thanks for contacting me, and I hope you are doing well, too. While I can't communicate in French, I can provide some initial feedback over e-mail or on a discussion page on a draft proposal if you'd like to start a grant proposal. If you're having trouble completing some sections, I would recommend looking at past proposals that have been funded to see some examples. I will also check to see if there are any French speakers on staff who are available to help on November 13, but I am not confident the people I have in mind will be available at that time, so I would recommend starting your proposal so I can start to offer some guidance for now. Thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 18:39, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
OK thanks a lot. I started writing my project on one of my draft here you can see. thanks again. --Modjou (talk) 20:40, 5 November 2018 (UTC)


I saw the Grants:Project/ContentMine/ScienceSource and remembered a kind of similar idea on medical and health articles in Wikipedia. During outbreak of diseases it is possible to see the onset of the outbreak quite early in the traffic stats on Wikipedia. The traffic for specific diseases spikes. The problem is that we can only see such traffic spikes for countries, to really make it useful we should have traffic statistics with a somewhat higher granularity. Imagine a colorpleth [1] with a grid layout, not the country layout, and make it possible to play back how the traffic changes. It must also be possible to see the individual hits, typically on a near global level. The eye is very good at catching trends and patterns, and you will then see the outbreak as waves on the map. It is also possible to calculate wavefront statistics, and model the movement by using a w:Kalman filter.

Other, and quite fun use of this is to track tsunamis, earthquakes, and meteors.

There are at least one article describing this for disease outbreaks,[2] but the technique is quite general. The only thing that can create problems are lack of time resolution. You can not track the movement of a meteor from traffic stats because there is not enough resolution in time (only available to one hour). You can although track a tsunami. — Jeblad 16:28, 7 November 2018 (UTC)


I ran across the proposal for Global Fact Sync, which wasn't chosen last round but got some encouraging comments. Is it appropriate to encourage them to resubmit? I left a comment on the proposal there but am not sure what the norm is. –SJ talk  20:09, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

@Sj: Hi Sj. Yes, encouraging them to resubmit is appropriate, and in fact, some applicants from previous rounds are resubmitting their proposals for the current round. Thanks for leaving them a note on their discussion page. :) I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 17:46, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Ok -- it looks like it's been resubmitted, which is great. I'll leave other notes there! –SJ talk  00:59, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Changing proposal status to "proposed"[edit]

Hi Jethro, I changed the status of our proposal to "proposed" more than 12 hours ago, but it still is showing up as a draft proposal in the list, not an open proposal. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks! Misaochan (talk) 10:16, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey Misaochan, just want to confirm that your project has been officially proposed. Sometimes a refresh or a null edit is needed to update the page on your local computer. Thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 17:34, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Wonderful, thanks I JethroBT (WMF). :) Misaochan (talk) 17:36, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


I'm writing my grant, it is almost completed except Project impact section. I'd need more days to write this section. Is it possible?--Kaspo (talk) 01:39, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Kaspo: Unfortunately, no. Proposals need to be fully completed by the proposal deadline today, or they will be considered ineligible for review. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 16:33, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
I just terminated the proposal in every part, anyway I think I'll improve it in the next days.--Kaspo (talk) 22:57, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
@Kaspo: Thanks for letting me know, but I would avoid making substantial changes to your proposal at this point, because it will suggest that the proposal was not complete by the deadline, and will make it difficult to effectively review it. Minor changes to the proposal are fine (for example, changes to the budget, rephrasing statements, adding brief details), but if you need to edit your proposal in ways that substantially change or complete it, I would recommend changing the status to draft and waiting to submit it for a later round. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 06:25, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
My proposal is complete and it can be reviewed immediately but I'll just add details.--Kaspo (talk) 20:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Timeless Newsletter • Issue 3[edit]

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Newsletter • December 2018

Welcome to the third issue of the Timeless newsletter, complete with a somewhat dubious explanation of where I've been all this time.

Somewhat dubious explanation of where I've been all this time:

I suffered a rather bad concussion in October, which knocked me pretty much completely out of commission through November, and I'm still recovering even now. One person = bus factor of one, even though it wasn't actually a bus but a very short flight of stairs.


  • Random bugs have been fixed. More bugs have been found. For a full list of horrors, see the workboard.
  • Implementing themes (T131991: the dark/night mode and winter variants of the skin) has proven far more complicated than initially thought, lacking either the extension, or preferably, some core support for this functionality. Thus:
    • I have submitted a Request for Comment proposing to merge Extension:Theme into core - this will enable skins to specify style variants as distinct options for users to select in their preferences by letting the skin specify the styles separately for each, a much neater way of implementing this than some of the existing hacks.
    • Jack Phoenix has already submitted a patch to do this. We simply need the buy-in and consensus to merge it, and to resolve whatever issues may arise from this wider review.

Comments on the RfC (MediaWiki wiki RfC page, task) or bugs, or further reports, are always appreciated.

Until next time, hopefully with no further injuries,

-— Isarra 22:35, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

enwiki health rater template[edit]

regarding this.

It hasn't had a reply in a while. Will this thread remain active?

Many thanks. Enjoy the holiday season, if you live somewhere where this time of year is a holiday season (I dont :)) Edaham (talk) 09:12, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Chris:

I wrote you here some days ago. I hope you see the video. Happy Holydays.--Jalu (talk) 17:48, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Video tutorial regarding Wikipedia referencing with VisualEditor[edit]

Hi, I'm not sure that you need this notification, but I thought that I'd provide it anyway in case you are interested in following along with what I'm doing. As you know, I have received a grant from WMF to support production of a video tutorial regarding creating references with VisualEditor. I anticipate that the video will be published in March 2019. Depending on funding considerations, this tutorial might be published in both English and Spanish. If this tutorial is well received then I may produce additional tutorials in the future. If you would like to receive notifications on your talk page when drafts and finished products from this project are ready for review, then please sign up for the project newsletter. I will understand if you do not want to sign up for the newsletter. Separately from the newsletter, I will notify you when my grant report is ready for you to review and if I have any questions for which I need a WMF response.
Regards, --Pine 06:25, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Midpoint report does not appear anymore on project page[edit]

Hi JethroBT, I dont understand why our midpoint report does not appear anymore on our project page... I see you have moved pages although I dont understand why. The midpoint was there : regards, Nattes à chat (talk) 23:28, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Nattes à chat: My apologies, this has been fixed, but some pages were expected to be detached temporarily. I'm in the middle of making a bunch of complicated page moves to fix a longstanding issue with Project Grants page navigation. The basic reason is that the navigation expects there to be a certain pagetitle format and when it's wrong, it totally screws up the navigation. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 23:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Video tutorial "Referencing with VisualEditor" – newsletter issue 1[edit]

 Video tutorial "Referencing with VisualEditor" – newsletter issue 1

Good news: the (lengthy!) script draft 1 is complete![edit]

Hello, I am happy to share that script draft 1 is complete and ready for public comment.

The script (link to the Google doc) is much longer than I anticipated, at almost 21 pages!

Although I think that the 21 page script would be a very good introduction to referencing policies and workflows, I am considering dividing it into two or more smaller scripts that would be produced as separate videos. For example, one script could focus on policies and a different script could focus on how to use the citation tool. I am considering this for three reasons:

  • People may be more willing to watch shorter videos that have more specific focus.
  • Shorter videos may be easier to search for an answer for a single specific question.
  • There is a possibility that if I attempt to produce a single video from almost 21 pages of script that I might exceed the budget for this mini-project. I would like for both WMF and the community to be satisfied with the results from this mini-project, and I think that dividing the script into smaller scripts which could be produced separately would be a good way to ensure that the budget for the current grant is not exceeded. While there is a reasonable possibility that I could finish production of the entire 21 pages of script within the current grant, I think that dividing the script would be prudent. After one of the smaller scripts is fully produced within the currently available funding, remaining script could be considered for production within the current grant if there seems to be adequate remaining funds, or could be saved for possible production with a future grant.

Request for constructive criticism and comments[edit]

I would very much appreciate constructive criticism and comments regarding the script, preferably by March 10 at 11:59 PM UTC. This is a shorter time window than I would like to provide, but the planned end date for this project is March 14 and I would like to finish video production by the end of March 13 so that I have 24 hours for communications before the grant period ends. If you would like to review the script or make other comments but the end of March 10 is too soon for you, please let me know that you need more time, and I will take that into consideration as I plan for final production and consider whether to request a date extension from WMF. (Extending the finish date for the project would not involve requesting additional funding for the current grant.) I would prefer that the video be done perfectly a few days late than that the video be done on March 14 but have an important error that was not caught during a rush to the finish.

I have three specific requests for feedback:

1. Please find errors in the script. This is a great time to find problems with my work, before the script goes into production and problems become more expensive to fix. Please go to this link in Google Docs and use the Comment feature in the Google Doc.

2. Do you have comments regarding whether the script should be divided, and if so, how it should be divided? Please let me know on the project talk page.

3. How do you feel about the name for the video? Do you prefer "Referencing with VisualEditor" or "Citing sources with VisualEditor", or a third option? Again, please comment on the project talk page. However, if I divide the script then I will create new names for the smaller videos.

Closing comments[edit]

Thank you for your interest in this mini-project. I am grateful to be working on a project which I hope will help Wikipedia contributors to be more efficient and effective, and indirectly help to improve Wikipedia's quality by teaching contributors how to identify and to cite reliable sources. I believe that the finished video will be good, and I hope that the community and novice contributors will find the video to be very useful.

Yours in service,

--Pine 07:55, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Grant project pages[edit]

Hi Jethro,

I am not sure whether you're thorough with moving the Project pages to fix the navigation issues. You've not yet moved mine and the issue is still there. Thanks. –Ammarpad (talk) 07:42, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@Ammarpad: Very sorry for the delay, and thanks for your message. I missed your proposal when trying to sort through the navigation issues plaguing Project Grants. I've gone ahead and fixed the issue, which basically dealt with what the navbar expects to find when it reads a page title. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 00:52, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Video tutorial "Referencing with VisualEditor" – newsletter issue 2 short version[edit]

 Video tutorial "Referencing with VisualEditor" – newsletter issue 2

Hi! The full version of this newsletter issue has a lot of information. I am sending a short version to talk pages.

The most important information to know is that draft 2 is finished, that the single long script has been divided into many smaller scripts, and that portions of the script have been prioritized for production.

Due to budget constraints, not all scripts can be produced within the scope of the current pilot grant, but the other scripts will remain available for potential future production. (This project feels somewhat like doing a vehicle repair when the mechanic starts to work on the engine, and once the mechanic gets under the engine and starts to work, they discover that accomplishing their objective requires twice as much time as they first had estimated.) However, nothing is lost, so do not fear. Overall, my assessment (me being User:Pine) is that this project is producing a lot of good output and is generally a valuable pilot project.

For more information, including my requests for your feedback, please see the full version of the newsletter.

Thanks very much. --Pine(✉) 22:55, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Timeless Newsletter • Issue 4[edit]

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Newsletter • April 2019

Welcome to the fourth issue of the Timeless newsletter, with a cat! Or maybe not.

Un chat qui miaule???

It's true! The angry cat, a fundamental part of Timeless, has resulted in confusion and bug reports all across the projects and phabricator. And now it shall be immortalised forever in the new, shiny Timeless logo.


After putting off the project for three months because I got hit in the head with a flight of stairs, and then putting off the project for another two months while working out what the status of the grant was, I have now put off the project even more in order to focus on my other project for a bit. So progress lately has been a bit whims-based as a result:


  • The French Wiktionary voted to set Timeless as their default skin, with results possibly as you might expect: I ran away and hid, and the WMF said no. A bit of discussion later and we largely agreed that all else aside, this is a bit of a branding issue, but we love the enthusiasm! Also the bug reports that inevitably come out of such a discussion. I'm still working on properly going through those.
  • Theme support is still stuck in limbo, but now we have another skinning RfC. tl;dr, we wanna replace the entire skinning system, and Skizzerz'll write a prototype later.

I will be fully resuming work on Timeless next week, or maybe the week after, depending on what madness (or illness) comes out of the Hackathon in Prague. Please come talk to me there to discuss strategy!

-— Isarra 16:51, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you + Edit Request Procedure + Diving Deep[edit]

Hello! 1. Thanks so much for unblocking me, 2. Thanks so much for offering to help me with my edits, and 3. I am now interested in the world of Wikipedia, although I'm not sure to what degree I'm interested in (do I want to begin traveling the road of editor-ship, or am I simply interested in helping you develop editor onboarding material [perhaps like Wikademy] for the benefit of those like myself?). Now that I've terminated my project with Matty Cardarople, and thanks to M____ who generously educated me about the policies, mission, and operational complexities of Wikipedia, I am still wondering what of my contributions to Matty's page would be considered helpful to the community (most obviously, the table of incomplete credits and some missing citations). In addition to guidance there (I don't want to worsen the situation by posting incorrectly on Matty's talk page), I'm hoping you'll provide a mentor's perspective regarding the greater need: editorship from someone like me (queer, Latinx, American woman writer with excellent research, editing, and writing skills) versus Wikademy contributor. Thanks again, and I look forward to hearing from you. Also: sorry if I didn't go about this communication correctly (talk page --> new section).

@MonicaG1989: Hi Monica-- thanks for your message. Before I respond to your questions, I wanted to give you a heads-up that this is my staff account related to my professional work at the Wikimedia Foundation, which I'm only allowed to use for my work as program officer. I use my volunteer account, User:I JethroBT for article editing and for my role as an administrator on English Wikipedia. I'm going to copy over your comments to my user talk page on English Wikipedia and follow up with you there. No worries about contacting me here (these conventions are definitely not obvious at first), and we'll use my volunteer account to continue working together. Thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 02:02, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the button![edit]

One of the reason why in the terrible situation of last year I did not submit the report (beside the disasters at the family level of both me and the other person involved) is because the few times I tried to set it up I was not sure where to do it. Luckily, now that's just copy and paste from a doc file on my desktop. Thank you.--Alexmar983 (talk) 18:54, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@Alexmar983: You're welcome! Usually, this button appears automatically when a new proposal is created, so I'm not sure why it wasn't there to start with, but I'm sorry you had to struggle to try to figure out how to do it yourself. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 19:02, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
it was like when something is connected to a terrible moment of your life, your brain does not fully connect. I am not that "stupid" but I really had no energy in those moments to get that simple passage. i could have copied the code from another grant... and I could do other things, new thing, that made me escape. But I was so frustrated... I waited to be called and nobody called me and well, I finally started to process also that part now, I have more focus. So here we go.--Alexmar983 (talk) 19:09, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
@Alexmar983: Given your circumstances, I fully understand that you had more important matters to attend to, and that they needed to take priority. Don't worry about the delay in the report-- the delay is not very important to me or our grants team in the wider scheme of things, and I'm sorry we didn't reach out to you sooner. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 19:29, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
It's all fine. Thank you guys.--Alexmar983 (talk) 19:30, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Probox on Grants:Project/DBpedia/GlobalFactSyncRE[edit]

Hi Jethro,

I saw our edit pushing the probox down. We thought of a good way to reach people across wikis. They can sign up as volunteers, then we publish updates on a wiki page and ping them. Is there some requirement in which order navbox, probox and project bar is on the front page? For us this seems important as we try to reach as many Wikipedians in all languages as possible. So we are going for these join signups as they are visible as well. @Tina Schmeissner: SebastianHellmann (talk) 17:34, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

@SebastianHellmann and Tina Schmeissner: Sorry about that disruption! The probox does need to be on the page as it has some categorizing functions, but it's not required to be at the top and I'm happy to revert it back to where it was. I made the change because there was an unusual amount of blank space (see this screenshot here), but you can place the probox wherever is most helpful for your team's needs. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 17:45, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
ok, thanks. We saw the white space. Indeed it is not perfect. Tina moved the signup notice way up, so it might work now. We are still tinkering with it. We really need an effective way to reach out cross wiki. Email (lists) might not cut it and phabricator is too technical. So we are trying to focus on the join before we send the kick off announcements Let's see. SebastianHellmann (talk) 17:54, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
@SebastianHellmann: Hmm. If the goal is to send updates via a newsletter on-wiki, you could develop a global messsage delivery page for your project. Here is one example of a sign-up page using global message delivery that another grantee used for their Rapid Grant project recently. You can use this list and manually post your updates to the relevant pages, contact a Meta admin or someone with the MassMessage user right to send it out for you, or you can request the user right at Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 18:22, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Timeless Newsletter • Issue 5[edit]

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Newsletter • August 2019

Welcome to the fifth and final issue of the Timeless newsletter!

Progress was made. True story.

I am happy to announce that after about a year, this delightful project in which absolutely nothing has gone according to plan is coming to a close. Or at least, the grant-funded portion is. Which means we will now be resuming our regular schedule of random whims-based development, you probably won't notice any difference whatsoever unless you use MonoBook, and there's a report.

What's new from the past two months:

A lot less than we'd hoped, frankly. We:

We also wound up with:

  • Patches resulting in RelatedArticles working in MonoBook, and FlaggedRevisions showing up in Minerva, unless someone actually managed to turn that off as well. (Blame T181242.) It's possible we went a little overboard with the whole 'let's close all the tasks!' sprint.
  • An unfortunate repeated discovery that themes (the Night/Winter variants I keep insisting will happen at some point) are still pretty far off on the horizon. Um.
  • Possibly a quite a few more bugs coming your way. This month, and especially the past week, have been a bit of a mess, development-wise. While hopefully none of the worse issues make it to production, please keep the reports coming for whatever you do find and we'll get it fixed as soon as we can. Y'all've been amazing about this, and it's really appreciated.

And I guess that's that. I'm really bad at reporting, and this is a report. For the purposes of the grant, this was a requirement, but do you want me to keep trying to send these out?

-— Isarra 18:08, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Any light[edit]

Hi Chris,

Any light here?

What is happening? Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 22:38, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

@R.T.Argenton: Hi Rodrigo, there's an eligibility check that we do for all applicants before approving grant requests. This is to review things like the number of open requests, outstanding grant reports, unspent past funds, block histories, etc. I thought this had been completed already for your request, but I was mistaken, so I had to undo the approval for now while we complete that step. We should have a decision for you soon. Thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 22:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Could use some advice, please[edit]

Hi Jethro,

I really appreciate you reading this and any advice you have time to give. I had made some edits to a page "Hilary Rowland" that subsequently got it deleted, and I'm trying to fix that. Can you please check my draft and tell me what needs to be changed? I've added a lot of references from top newspapers, and edited as much as I know how to. Thank you for the advice! Here's the draft: