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Wikidata: Not working + bad interaction design[edit]

Central login isn’t working for Wikidata, but to make things worse, it doesn’t warn you until after you have made your first edit, so unless you remember Wikidata requires a separate login, you are almost guaranteed to leak your IP by trying to connect a Wikipedia page.

Which is like even worse than not having central login, because if you don’t have central login you will remember to log in when you switch wikis.

Can this be either fixed (if technically possible), or at least have the warning appear before you edit (i.e., have the warning appear as soon as you hit Edit, as opposed to after you hit Publish). Thanks. Al12si (talk) 20:15, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Al12si: Wikidata is working fine for central login, please check that you have your cookies suitable enabled as that is usually the issue that we see. Do some good cache purging. With regard to a warning for IP editing, that already exists for the wikis in a traditional edit page (tested right now), so if you think that needs to be exist for WD's style of editing, that will need to be recommended to them specifically. Best to ask at d:Wikidata:Project chat.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:27, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Billinghurst My cookies are fine (and the fact that only Wikidata is not working shows that cookies isn’t my problem). I also perpetually run in private mode so caches aren’t the problem — if anything this always happens after a browser restart which means a cache clear will actually cause the problem.
If anything it’d be the auto-block features that modern browsers use that’s blocking the cookies. This could be something that the designers of central login didn’t envision when the feature was designed a decade ago when privacy browsers didn’t exist. A solution would be to add instructions to the login screen to tell users what domains to whitelist. — Al12si (talk) 22:33, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Al12si: That it doesn't work for you is not an indication that it doesn't work; if it is working for others, then it is working, and there is something about a configuration, you may well have rejected cookies for WD, how can I tell? Wikidata is a different interface methodology, and not a traditional WMF wiki textbox, so you will need to talk to them about how they manage IP edits differently and for your proposed intervention. For technical design issues, where you have considerations about how you believe that some features of modern browsers may be interacting and you have identified what you consider a bug, then please create a bug report at phabricator:, a general statement here on this talk page of "It is not working for me, fix it" isn't going to resolve the issue.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PS: @Billinghurst: I suspect the problem with meta, mentioned in the question right above mine, is the exact same issue. Modern browsers automatically block cross-site cookies by default, that’s probably why not all accounts are logged in. This problem can only get worse as this kind of browser becomes more and more mainstream. Al12si (talk) 22:49, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PPS: @Billinghurst Assuming our two issues are the same, that’s two people complaining about the same problem in less than a month. Most people wouldn’t even talk about it (if only for the fact that it’s extremely hard to even find this talk page); I’d say it’s not prudent to claim it’s “working for most people”. Al12si (talk) 22:54, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Al12si: there are so many users of WD and the sister WMFs, and essentially zero complaints on a daily basis, so I think that it is reasonable to say that it is working. This is not to say that there are not people having issues and this may continue to occur, however, these are bugs to be reported that contain all the information of the browser used, and the settings that users have in place. All of those issues need to be recorded as bugs in phabricator.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:50, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Billinghurst As I mentioned, this talk page is extremely difficult to find. Took me literally four months to realize this talk page even exists. A lack of complaints does not mean a lack of problems when the channel for complaints is not perceivable.
The Phabricator ticket you ask for will eventually arrive — later after I test it on Opera GX and other modern browsers. But you cannot dismiss the problem if default browser behaviour is going to guarantee people can’t log on to every wiki.
I will unsubscribe from this thread since this isn’t going anywhere. I’ll suggest to my home wiki’s admins to remove the link to this talk page since this talk page isn’t helping people. — Al12si (talk) 06:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Al12si: This talk page talks about unified logins, in comparison to the previous situation of separate accounts on every wiki that were not connected, it is a page of its time. Me explaining all of that to you in detail will just be a waste of your time, and mine, trust me that I know. Your representation of this as being anything else is your misunderstanding its purpose.
This link Special:CentralAuth/Al12si clearly shows that unified login exists for you, you have a wikidata account. That is all it does, gives you all the accounts under your username, and no one else can have that exact username.
This page is not for the underlying aspects of how that is achieved on a daily basis as you navigate through wikis. It is inaccurate to state that the login system has been static since that occurrence. What you are bringing forward is a bug or a feature request, and both of those belong on phabricator. You can sit there and argue with me as much as you like, it doesn't change the advice on where to get your assistance. It is not here.  — billinghurst sDrewth 08:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The fact that another person did exactly what I did shows that to users, this talk page is perceived to be the way to report problems before taking things to Phabricator.
Yes, I know unified login exists for me (otherwise why would I say login only doesn’t work on Wikidata?). That’s exactly the problem here. And I’ve seen that page you’ve shown me — that’s how I found out this talk page exists.
Please don’t trash users like this; a lot of things are very opaque here. If two users did exactly the same thing it’s a pattern. If this talk page isn’t supposed to be for bug reports (before escalating to Phabricator) then Wikimedia has a communication problem because from our POV we are told to come here, only to be told don’t come here.
PS: Please do not ping me; I have already unsubscribed from this thread thank you very much. — Al12si (talk) 08:43, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The page is very specific on what it is. This page cannot control what other people say it is.

I didn't trash users, I have pointed you to where you can get help for the two issues that you raised, and said that this is not the place for the help that you seek. You seem to expect magic from another volunteer. <shrug>

I have added a message box to the top of this talk page "For current day issues with a login to Wikimedia, please log a bug report in phabricator:."
Even though it is not directly related to unified logins, I have added a question/answer that points people with these issues, where they persist, to phabricator.  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]