Yes, the language used by the Sardinian wikipedia at the moment is NOT what described by the code. We have another BE case. There is no code for the artificial language issued by the Italian government.
Just watch our steps to avoid the be-x-old drama fire up again. My opinion is that we should put them on “hold” until they get their code. If they can get it easily, then wonderful, they are moved to the new code and the problem is over.
But if we make even just a slighter preference for an Italian language we are going to have people pointing out that there are 2 italians in LangCom, and so Italian languages are treated with velvet gloves. I’d say that myself, if I was out there. There must be one single law for all.
In fact there is the problem that the actual Sardinian wikipedia uses
the "unified Sardinian language" with a code that stands for the four
living languages. The unified language has been "created" and is the one
accepted by the Italian state, but has no official ISO 639 code.
this leads to a pdf with the title
LIMBA SARDA COMUNA
Norme linguistiche di riferimento a carattere sperimentale
per la lingua scritta dell’Amministrazione regionale
Common Sardininan language
Linguistic reference standards on experimental level
for the language written by the regional administration
As to this document: it states the Italian State opinion, that the four
varieties are all very similar ... well: when it comes to linguistic
development they are not and also their grammar is different due to the
various influences that are there. We will very likely get into trouble
with this particular thingie ...
That is: they (sc.wiki) could remain, but not with the acutal code they
are using ... uhmmmmmmm ...
On a second thought: what’s the ISO code for sassarese-only? If we give them SC they cannot use for sassarese only. It’s 4 flavors of the language that must go in. We need to solve this. I’m willing to have the SC code restored to normality, not to create one more exception.
SC is the code for the Macro language "Sardinian" - that is it includes
all four of the natual Sardinian languages.
The Limba Sarca Comune does not have an ISO code. Nomally I would have
said they should have shared on wiki, but having four languages on one
wiki is indeed problematic unless we don't have Multilingual Mediawiki.
And when it comes to the Sardinian languages the differences among them
is partly really much (at least I have that impression when I look at
the texts and listen to people).
On the other hand: having all four languages in one wiki creates a
bigger community and they will have less admin hassles ... sigh ... that
is one of those situations ...
Well: Mediawiki is open source and as such you will not be able to
prevent people from localising it. If someone wants to add a different
version of the UI he can always do that and if people use it and see
that there are issues they simply correct things.
Why should we handle which languages one can create the UI in and in
which not? Mediawiki has nothing to do with Wikipedia - these are two
different projects - you can have any localization for Mediawiki, but
you need a localization of Mediawiki for a new language of Wikipedia.
We are not here to handle Mediawiki localizations but we are here to
handle new Wikimedia projects. At least this is how I understand the
Localisations will not be dropped, at least hardly any Open Source
project does this, simply because messages that are not localised will
appear in English and therefore sooner or later will localise them. It
is a wiki, right? Why should we want to get more hassles then we already
Ok, but this is something that is not up to us to decide/support or not
support - this is for Mediawiki to decide.
WMF separated Mediawiki from the WMF projects so that there is no
interference, therefore we should not mix things up in the langcom now.
That is: I don't see the langcom that decides about Wikimedia projects
as the right place to decide about localizations for Mediawiki. This
must be handled a part and should go through who cares about Mediawiki
only. And of course all of us, that is who is interested, could be in
there, but it needs to be kept apart.
Of course IANA language subtags would be nice, but again: this is
something to be deferred to the Mediawiki localization team/group.
Forwarding the message from the talk page of langcom
Kinaray-a (krj) Wikipedia
To whom it may concern. I think that the interface message translations
for the Kinaray-a (krj) Wikipedia would be sufficient at this point.
Most of the terms are technical and keeping it in English would be more
practical. I reviewed the translated interface messages and would there
be any faulty entries, I think it would be easy to edit... I think the
project is ready for the next step... We are hoping for the approval of
the Kinaray-a Wikipedia, for surely, it will be very useful among the
Kinaray-a Wiki users, especially in promoting the use of our endangered
(fastly disappearing/merging with other languages) language. Thanks a lot.
I will do some archivation on that page ... there are too many messages.
There is no ISO 639-3 code for it - this means there needs to be a
request for it - in the meantime of course you may localize the UI
and go ahead working on incubator. The problem is: we cannot make
exceptions - once we did we would get into fights and hassles.
Therefore I kindly ask for your understanding. It seems you are
serious about your project, so why don't you apply for an ISO 639-3
code? Thanks! --Sabine
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:SabineCretella> 07:14, 12
September 2007 (UTC)
I have *very* little time these days, but I’ll have the time to read and
vote here. I’ll try to have the time to dig out info on the ex-USSR
languages, as always. We also have to define what to do with the improper
use of the SC code, and I have a number of signals in my private mail about
something going wrong with LLJ (it doesn’t appear to be written in LLJ at
all), anyway, this is not urgent.
Hopefully, I’ll be more active starting from the next month, but having a
pregnant wife & a job makes life quite
Jesse Plamondon-Willard (Pathoschild) 27 September 2007 22:00
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It's good to have you back, you're a most prolific contributor to have
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As for myself, the reason I have not been active lately is that I'm in
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some time. I get very little time online here (available computers are
hard to find), so it's hard to stay active. But I'll be back and
I can read mail on my mobile phone, so I am able to contribute on the
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