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Category:User kjj[edit]

Wiki says "kjj" is for Khinalug language. At the same time, the sample badges at Category:User kjj display "English". "User language" doesn't tell us how to fix that. --Djadjko (talk) 23:40, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Probably something related to the Babel extension or CLDR, not sure. Reported at phab:T158260. —MarcoAurelio 23:54, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Pretty easy, we don't know about this language's name: kjj Nemo 10:33, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
kjj seems added to the extension? —MarcoAurelio 10:40, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
@Nemo bis: I think we do: каьтш мицI. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:50, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
No, see translatewiki:MediaWiki:Babel-N-n/tjj. Localisation for tjj in genreral seems to be missing, we would need Khinalug language speakers to fix this. --Vogone (talk) 07:47, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
I still have no idea why Djadjko cares about this. If he's a kjj speaker, that would be useful to know. If we don't have any real speaker for this ultra-small language, then it's pointless to talk about it.
Adding language names and adding a locale are completely different matters, but both are documented. See translatewiki:CLDR and languages, plus translatewiki:Portal:kjj for the specific language code. Nemo 08:00, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
@Vogone:--*k*jj, not *t*jj but yes, as User:Nemo bis points out, it's extremely unlikely to be relevant. With very few speakers who are all confined to one small region, plus no long literary and intellectual tradition which survives in other languages (a la Latin or Sanskrit), it's not likely that anyone can really do anything with kjj on Wikimedia projects nor is it plausible that MediaWiki will be translated into it. Since the ultimate fallback for all languages is English, then this is actually expected behavior. —Justin (koavf)TCM 09:41, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, that was obviously a typo. It's the very same with translatewiki:MediaWiki:Babel-N-n/kjj. ;-) --Vogone (talk) 09:49, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

The default fallback should be English, but it's clearly wrong for a Babel message to "fallback" to a false statement that the user has Native level English skills. These Babel messages lacking genuine text should be given a generic text, such as "This user has a native understanding of «OTHER LANGUAGE»." Alsee (talk) 18:52, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

@Alsee: Correct. A better text would be "This user has a native understanding of каьтш мицI". —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:08, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

@Nemo bis: I had seen a user page using that template (I don't remember exactly, but you can check Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:User_kjj), and initially thought it was for another English dialect (or maybe some constructed language, e. g. Klingon). And it turned out to be a real non-Indo-European language. I though it's a bad symptom when templates produce wrong output (see also: Broken windows theory), so I decided to report the issue. Isn't it funny enough? :) --Djadjko (talk) 00:23, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

@Cekli829: can you help us with this?   — Jeff G. ツ 03:50, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Button change[edit]

Hello, all,

I wanted to let you know that the buttons are changing in most of the editors tomorrow (Wednesday). There are two unrelated changes happening here: one is that the long-discussed change from "Save page" to say "Publish page" and "Publish changes" is finally reaching Meta. The other is that the button itself is going to become BIG and blue. Both of these changes are being made primarily for the sake of new editors.

If you discover problems with the "Publish page" labels, then please let me know as soon as possible. As with any new label, there may be imperfect translations or other difficulties, and we need to know about these problems. If you want to change the meaning of the label (e.g., to include additional information, which is done at the Chinese Wikipedia), then please talk to me first. Like changes to the copyright notice, changes to this button need to be reviewed by the Legal team in advance.

I believe that the change to the appearance of the button will be more noticeable to established contributors. You can look at a screenshot on Phabricator. Unforunately, because of the technology used, it appears that it will not be possible to restore the old appearance completely via CSS changes.

If you have questions about this, then please {{ping}} me. Thanks, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:24, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Update: The BIG blue button has been delayed. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 14:38, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
User:Whatamidoing (WMF): Isn't it problematic to say "publish changes" on flaggedrevs wikis where edits might not immediately be "published" for the user making the edit (e.g. IPs, non-autoreviewers)? --MF-W 14:17, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
I understand that the date of publication is the date that it's available to the public through any method (e.g., via oldid links and the page history), not the date upon which it becomes the default that's shown to most users who read the page the usual way (or the date that it first gets indexed by the larger search engines, which has also been proposed by a couple of editors as "true" publication). However, I agree that it could be confusing to some editors who don't understand how Flagged Revisions work. If you have any ideas about how to make this clearer to inexperienced editors, then please add your thoughts to Talk:Editing/Publish. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:35, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
On pages affected by Flagged Revisions being edited by IPs, non-autoreviewers, the button could say "Ask to publish changes" or "Submit for approval".   — Jeff G. ツ 04:33, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Wikimedia Endowment[edit]

May I please have some substantive answers from the WMF to the questions asked at Talk:Wikimedia Endowment#How should we select members of the Wikimedia Endowment Advisory board?.

For background, see User:Guy Macon/Wikipedia has Cancer. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:05, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

(...Sound of Crickets...) --Guy Macon (talk) 03:23, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
(...Chirp...) --Guy Macon (talk)
(...Chirp...) --Guy Macon (talk) 17:49, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Answered on 19 April 2017 -Guy Macon (talk) 11:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

No editing for 30 minutes on two days[edit]

Due to the server switch project, all of the wikis will be in read-only mode for 20 to 30 minutes on two days soon:

  • Wednesday, 19 April 2017, starting at 14:00 UTC
  • Wednesday, 3 May 2017 (two weeks later), starting at 14:00 UTC

If you are a MediaWiki hacker, then please note that the normal deployment schedule has been canceled during both of those weeks.

There is more information at m:Tech/Server switch 2017, including a link to the official schedule. Please leave a message on my user talk page or "ping" me if you have any questions. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:07, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

@Whatamidoing (WMF): would you be able to repeat this announcement on all wikis about a week before each of the dates? Green Giant (talk) 10:29, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi Green Giant,
I plan to send Tech/Server switch 2017 by MassMessage to "all the wikis" around 12 April 2017. Sending it twice seems like overkill. There will also be announcements in Tech/News (every week until it's over) and last-minute CentralNotice banners (both dates). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:01, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Agreed twice is overkill. Green Giant (talk) 20:06, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Preferences tabs aren't working[edit]

I am currently unable to switch to different tabs in Preferences. I wanted to check a gadget but I can't get to that tab/page. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 13:57, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Never mind -- it's working again. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 14:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

MoreMenu gadget[edit]

Hi fellows, there is a request to implement this gadget here on Meta. I have no objections, more opinions? Syum90 (talk) 08:57, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Temporary user rights and "flooder" right: proposed that should be the practice for this right[edit]

With the addition to the mediawiki capacity to temporarily assign rights, I believe that as we have and utilise the "flooder"/"Flood flag", that the community could reasonably have the expectation that this right would only by assigned by 'crats, and self-applied by admins on a temporary basis. Also hopefully that it could be applied for periods of hours at most.

I also feel that we should amend the text Flooder to talk about good practice would be only to assign this temporarily.  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:23, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

There are some technical issues being investigated ATM IIRC about the system not working very well with short periods of time due to caching or something else I don't quite remember. MusikAnimal will know better for sure. Other than that, yep, to avoid ghost flood flags, temporary assignements looks okay to me.Thanks, —MarcoAurelio 08:20, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Display issue only. The right expires on time, however the userrights page doesn't catch up through caching. Fix has been coded, so resolved and not an inhibitor.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:19, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
If this is technically feasible, it wuld help (in my capacity as a Wikidata crat)--Ymblanter (talk) 11:01, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
It is technically feasible, been there and had it work at enWS.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:20, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Excellent point! StevenJ81 (talk) 14:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


The "Interested" section of Wikimedia User Group Hong Kong is not being translated properly. Is there a way to fix this? Thanks, Jc86035 (talk) 08:34, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Should it be translated at all? It's just a signature list, why bother? It's just far out of date, because it's somehow stuck in limbo without preparing for translation. Is there a way to exclude this paragraph from the translation block? Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden) 08:50, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Probably grist for the mill for Meta:Babylon  — billinghurst sDrewth 08:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC)