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This language has been verified as eligible.
The language is eligible for a project, which means that the subdomain can be created once there is an active community and a localized interface, as described in the language proposal policy. You can discuss the creation of this language project on this page.

Once the criteria are met, the language committee can proceed with the approval.

If you think the criteria are met, but the project is still waiting for approval, feel free to notify the committee and ask them to consider its approval.

  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Language code hr (SILGlottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Croatian Language name in English
Language name Hrvatski Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q6654 - item has currently the following values:
Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality LTR Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.

Project name Wikinews "Wikinews" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikinews talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit Phabricator task. It will include everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings. After creating the task, add a link to the comment.

Arguments in favour[edit]

Croatian language is spoken by 4+ million people worldwide. We have Wikipedia with over 95,855+ articles, 70,771+ users and there is a lot of members who want Wikinews on Croatian language. On our Main page under News we can only put news that happen in Croatia, so no Global news. We need this.--Anton 008 13:49, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you want support Croatian Wikinews past:
#{{yes}} '''Support''' -~~~~
  1. Support Croation is a language that indeed has many speakers. It has a strong community on Wikipedia and with the huge amount of articles on their own Wikipedia, having a creation of a Wikinews in their language will greatly help much. -Hydriz 14:06, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I agree with this, but I would like to see some more people interested to become members of this project. mickit 15:02, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I will conditionally Support this action, although it is good idea and needed chapter, I have big doubt that there will be enough interested members to work on this project and keep it alive. Also, you can count me as one member of the news team although project can not depend on me. I am not regular user, I contribute seldomly, only when I have time.--Frano Milić 08:58, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support I am sure that some members of Croatian Wikipedia (71,081+) would join to this project--Anton 008 10:18, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support -Guski2 17:48, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Moderators, please, see the message at the bottom. Kubura 02:08, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support - many speakers of language; Wikinews would be good for this language. --SEPTActaMTA8235 21:16, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support Support -It would gain WikiMedia certain reputation in Croatia with more projects, not just Wikipedia. Mayno 12:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support per Hydriz--Sokac121 21:35, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support. Croatian language should have its Wikinews. Reasons per Hydriz. --IvanOS (talk) 17:46, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support -Ammartivari (talk) 18:54, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support -Agusbou2015 (talk) 00:38, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments against[edit]

  1. Number of users interested to be active users of wikinews. SpeedyGonsales 20:00, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The project has never been successful in setting up of a community. Various attempts were made in 2005 (2006), 2007, 2009 and the latest one at the end of 2010, none of which produced a viable community of at least five steady contributors (nor even the absolute minimum of three). There is no local community consensus about starting a new project, and that local community is all we have. They are the ones who carry the project on their shoulders, and not some, roughly said "outsiders". -- Bugoslav 04:36, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose Project like wikinews should have more than one user who has proven in the daily news updates and at least one month of active work on incubator.wikimedia.org with the obligatory usage of references to the source(s) he/she uses for news. User proposing this project fulfill none of above mentioned reasonable conditions. --Roberta F. 13:45, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Oppose. News projects always recquire a lot of contributors, more than Wikipedia. News are more strict about recquiring daily refreshing, compared to other wiki-projects: all other projects can "live" with few days of "sleeping"; news, on the contrary, must be written. This is too big job even for a small group, not to mention for a single user. Kubura 02:32, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Oppose. Wikimedia projects should not have a country focus. Additionally, Croatian is similar enough to the rest of the forms of Serbo-Croatian so as not to need projects independent of them. --Yair rand (talk) 21:33, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Oppose. Croatian Wikipedia has suffered from content and conduct issues, like alleged right-wing bias, poor quality and revisionism. Croatian Wikinews would not improve Croatian community and resolve those issues in any way. Bulgarian Wikinews is soon to be closed for poor quality and alleged bias. I fear that, if created, Croatian Wikinews would suffer the same fate as Bulgarian one. George Ho (talk) 04:37, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Other discussion[edit]

Question: Why aren't global news allowed in the Croatian-language Wikipedia? Jafeluv 14:08, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We have discussion on our local wiki about that. Administrators said that "we are not some news portal" and that "Croatia isn't small country that need global news". Also, we cant add news about Japan, Libya etc. We have only some irrelevant news about Croatia.--Anton 008 14:44, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Community set policy. SpeedyGonsales 20:00, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's interesting... The reason I ask is because this is the first time I've seen a Wikipedia project openly associate itself with a particular country, instead of being an international encyclopedia in a particular language. Jafeluv 10:27, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Question: WizardOfOz removed Kubura's comment. Why? SpeedyGonsales 20:05, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at his talk page. Therefore. --WizardOfOz talk 20:07, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Its sad that every try of discussion on our wiki is blocked by same users who vote against here. Every time when I said something about Wikinews, same group (couple of members) said that Wikinews will be edited with only one user and there is no point of making new project. But, how can someone even want to join when administrator said that in advance. I am sure that if we have announcement on top of page like "Do you want to create News project that can edit users like you?" we would have more members. --Anton 008 10:18, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've posted a message on the talkpage of the steward Pathoschild regarding some things. Kubura 02:37, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]