Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Basa Surabayaan

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Basa Surabayaan
submitted verification final decision
Discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Votes will be ignored when judging the proposal. Please provide arguments or reasons and be prepared to defend them (see the Language proposal policy).

The language committee needs to verify the language is eligible to be approved.

  • Check that the project does not already exist (see list).
  • Obtain an ISO 639 code
  • Ensure the requested language is sufficiently unique that it could not exist on a more general wiki.
  • Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language.
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Language code  (SILGlottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Surabayan Language name in English
Language name Basa Surabayaan Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q13091961 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = no label
  • native label (P1705) =
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = dialect /
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) =
  • writing system (P282) =
  • number of speakers (P1098) =
Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality no indication Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Project name Wikipèdhiyah "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:... This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone Asia/Jakarta "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)


Officially this language is a Javanese dialect, but since there are so many word entries and grammar that are different with standard Javanese Ngaka language (i.e. you can't find a, it is considered to place this language into the different Wikipedia source. This language (or maybe it is better to call it: sub-language) is spoken natively in the north coast area of East Java, Indonesia, including several regions: Surabaya, Mojokerto, Gresik, Sidoarjo, northern Pasuruan, Lamongan, Jombang, and southern part of Bangkalan, Madura Island. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arif doudo (talk)

Proposal (from merged request)[edit]

Surabayan Javanese (Suroboyoan) is the local language of Surabaya, Indonesia's second biggest city, and its surroundings. It is traditionally considered a very strong dialect of Javanese, said to be very rude, but it so different from Standard Javanese that the two varieties of the same language are sometimes mutually unintelligible by the younger generation.

Suroboyoan is used in everyday conversation, spoken at home and in the streets, on the market, among friends and family members, and also very frequently written in SMS and chats on the social media. As there is already a Banyumas Javanese edition for Wikipedia, it is just obvious that Suroboyoan should also have a Wikipedia.

The language is described in short here: There is an Indonesian article on Suroboyoan, too:

--Daniel Krauße (talk) 15:35, 19 February 2016 (UTC)



  • Support Should better be written to the Surabayan language because it is the second biggest city in Indonesia and the clean city in Indonesia. --Semuel Tahun (talk) 11:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
    • It's not a language, it's a Javanese dialect. My hometown have a dialect, too. Balai Bahasa Yogyakarta (a local government agency for language) has published Pedoman Umum Ejaan Bahasa Jawa (2011) (English: General Guideline for Javanese Spelling). Better to use the standard Javanese that has been published by local government agency, just like we use standard Indonesian (Pedoman Umum Ejaan Bahasa Indonesia) (English: General Guideline for Indonesian Spelling) in idwiki. Labdajiwa (talk) 10:00, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


  • This has no language code (in either spelling). StevenJ81 (talk) 18:41, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per above, no code no project. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:15, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose No ISO code. -- 08:36, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose ditto —DIV ( 07:39, 11 February 2019 (UTC))
  • Oppose I would assume that many editors on Javanese Wikipedia are from Surabaya, Java's most populous city. Proposing a Basa Surabayaan Wikipedia would be analogous to the Appalachian English Wikipedia proposal. Most speakers would naturally gravitate to the existing version in the prestige dialect that has a thriving ecosystem. Sabon Harshe (talk) 17:12, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose のここり 08:25, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per Sabon Harshe and my statement above. Labdajiwa (talk) 09:20, 18 June 2020 (UTC)