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Requests for new languages (Wikipedia Crimean Tatar 2)

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This proposal has been approved. The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project. The closing committee member provided the following comment: See an unofficial analysis of this request and its test project by a member of the language subcommittee. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:58:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC) The project is approved, and a bug has been filed. The Wikipedia should be available at http://crh.wikipedia.org/ Jon Harald Søby 11:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC) The wiki has been created at crh.wikipedia.org. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:19:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Proposal summary
Language details: Crimean Tatar (Qırımtatarca, crh ISO 639-2) Editing community: Don Alessandro (P), Myy (N), Koalin (N), BARABASHKA (N), Azazul (N), Eskender (N), Timurberk (N), Tarih (N), Uannis, Refat, QirimPerver (N) List your user name if you're interested in editing the wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language. Relevant pages: development wiki project previous request External links:
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This request has already been approved according to the previous policy (14 votes in favour, 0 votes against), but I re-open it (following the Language sunbcommitee members' advice). You can find the previous discussion here. —unsigned by Don Alessandro 16:28, 11 December 2006.

Arguments in favour

• Crimean Tatar is a living language with about 260,000 speakers in Crimea, about 150,000 in Uzbekistan and unknown but sizeble amount in Turkey. —unsigned by Don Alessandro 21:44, 19 December 2006.

• There are 2 Crimean Tatar filology faculties

  1. Tavrida National University, Crimean Tatar and Oriental Filology Faculty (ru)
  2. Crimean Engineering and Pedagogy University, Crimean Tatar Filology Faculty (ru)

  There are Crimean Tatar TV and radio stations

  1. Radio Meydan
  2. Crimean Tatar Television - ATR
  3. Autonomous Republic Crimea Government Television, Crimean Tatar Programs Section

  There are several newspaper and journals in Crimean Tatar language

  1. Newspaper - Qırım
  2. Newspaper - Yañı Dünya
  3. Journal - Yıldız

  —unsigned by Timurberk 14:24, 24 December 2006.

• Support--Absar 13:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

  Simple votes will be ignored in accordance with the Language proposal policy. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

• The Crimean Tatar language has many speakers, is one of the official languages of Crimea, and is commonly used in public life (numerous examples above). —dima/s-ko/ 21:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
• Support --Memty 11:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support. Pietras1988 19:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support--Uannis 20:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support. — Svetko 16:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support--Tarih 20:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support Has considerable number of speakers and mass media. Not just a dialect of Tatar, despite the name. AtilimGunesBaydin 06:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support Better idea than Wikipedias in many dialects of German and Italian. --Dezidor 13:30, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support - Undoubtedly a stand-alone language. --ARBE0 16:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support It is a vigorous language, and there is a considerable number of interested people. --Thogo (talk) 23:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Arguments against

• Oppose Not enough speakers.

  You think more than 500,000 speakers is not enough? We have wikis in Bislama (128,000 speakers), Võro (70,000), Scottish Gaelic (58,652), Upper Sorbian (55,000), Marshallese (44,000), Inupiaq (3,500), etc. Don Alessandro 08:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

General discussion

• Could you explain differences between Tatar and Crimean Tatar languages? MaxSem 18:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Hm... I think they differ a little bit more than Russian and Ukrainian. This question is often asked because of the similar names (both names include "Tatar"). The main differences are in vocabulary and phonetics. Grammar also differs, but not so very heavy. Crimean Tatar is much more close to Turkish, than to Tatar (in Turkey they often call it Kırım Türkçesi - Crimean Turkish) but still there are significant differences.

Unfortunately I don't know Tatar... But I've got a Russian-Tatar phrase-book (Русско-Татарский разговорник) and I'll add a Crimean Tatar and Turkish variant to some phrases, just to give you an example.

English	Crimean Tatar	Tatar	Turkish
yes	e	äyä	evet
no	yoq	yuq	hayır (yok)
hello	meraba	isänmesez	merhaba
good bye	sağlıqnen qalıñız	saw bulığız	sağlıcakla kalın
thank you	sağ oluñız	rähmät	sağolun
sorry	bağışlañız	kiçeregez	affedersiniz
please, give me ...	canım, ... maña beriñiz	miña biregez äle ...	lütfen, bana ... veriniz
I don't understand you	men sizni añlamayım	min sezne añlamıym	ben sizi anlamıyorum

Don Alessandro 20:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I'm a native Turkish speaker passing by and I've just corrected some of the entries in the Turkish column, if you don't mind. AtilimGunesBaydin 01:42, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Might be interesting in seeing this. - FrancisTyers 07:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)