Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Hainanese 2

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Hainanese Wikipedia[edit]

main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Hainanese 2
submitted verification final decision
Discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Votes will be ignored when judging the proposal. Please provide arguments or reasons and be prepared to defend them (see the Language proposal policy).

The language committee needs to verify the language is eligible to be approved.

  • Check that the project does not already exist (see list).
  • Obtain an ISO 639 code
  • Ensure the requested language is sufficiently unique that it could not exist on a more general wiki.
  • Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language.
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code  (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Hainanese Language name in English
Language name 琼語 Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q934541 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Hainanese
  • native label (P1705) =
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = dialect / Southern Min
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) =
  • writing system (P282) =
  • number of speakers (P1098) =
Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name xxxxxxx "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone UTC "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

Proposal[edit]

Hainanese is a branch of the Min Nan group of Chinese spoken in the southern Chinese islands and province of Hainan. It is mutually unintelligible with other Min Nan dialects, such as Teochew and Hokkien–Taiwanese. Its pronunciation is very different from other languages in the whole world -It has the complete Clicks sound pronunciation system. So it's very valuable. But now, the Mandarian Chinese is attacking the Hainanese language culture. And it's a danger in Hainanese language culture. We must try to protect it. Audio recordings in Hainanese, Chinese History Forum:Hainanese Dialect, Hainanese Pronunciation Lesson

Discussion[edit]

  • iso639-3:qhn is "Reserved for local use", so I'm doubt if this Wikipedia could be started. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Robert Sneed says yes! --CasetteTapeMaster (talk) 03:03, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes - 5 million speakers. I reckon it's a goer...Casliber (talk) 03:38, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
  • There's a problem here in that there's no ISO code. On the other hand, there are five million speakers. The Wikipedia article suggests that this [language/dialect] is not mutually intelligible with other Southern Han [languages/dialects]. So probably the best bet here is for someone to put in a request at SIL for a language code. If someone provides evidence that there is an application for a language code pending then at least an Incubator project could start. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:39, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
  • As long as it uses Chinese characters, it's okay. Do not create a Latin script for it, that would be inventing the language. --Explosivo (talk) 18:21, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Someone need to talk to SIL and get them split the ISO639 code for Minnan into Hokkien, Chaoshan and Hainanese first (Possibly also Zhongshan Min, Datian Min and Zhenan Min?) In the previous request for Teochew wikipedia, it was mentioned as a way to fulfill the ISO code requirement, however, as the proposal from Teochew code at the time did not resolve the situation regarding other Minnan variants, the proposal did not go through. Although as far as I can tell Hainanese is even more widely recognized as distinct from Minnan, the code still have not been breakaway yet, and thus it will still face the same problem. @CasetteTapeMaster: C933103 (talk) 23:48, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
    @C933103: Note that there's a request (although unrelated) about Sichuanese on SIL, this means that it's also possible to just request a code for Hainanese or Teochew without touching (includes splitting) the nan. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:08, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
    • Regardless someone should send write a proposal up and send it to SIL C933103 (talk) 11:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC)