Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Laki

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Laki
submitted verification final decision
Applications-system.svg This language has been verified as eligible.
The language is eligible for a project, which means that the subdomain can be created once there is an active community and a localized interface, as described in the language proposal policy. You can discuss the creation of this language project on this page.

Once the criteria are met, the language committee can proceed with the approval, will verify the test project content with a reliable neutral source, such as a professor or expert and notify the Board of Trustees for a possible veto.

If you think the criteria are met, but the project is still waiting for approval, feel free to notify the committee and ask them to consider its approval.

A committee member provided the following comment:

Eligible language. You are encouraged to contribute on incubator:Wp/lki. --MF-W 15:34, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code lki (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Laki Language name in English
Language name لەکی Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q56483 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Laki
  • native label (P1705) =
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = language / Kurdish languages
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) = lki
  • writing system (P282) = Latin script
  • number of speakers (P1098) = 1,500,000
Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community TheMilad (N), hosseinblue (NP), Setenlyacc (NP), blackandblack(N), iraniahaman(N), Budelberger(N), Sajadlor(N), Mogoeilor(N),Bonevarluri(N), Lurvand(N), علی ساکی لرستانی(N), MiladRahimi93 (N)
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name ویکیپدیا "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace ویکیپدیای لەکی usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace گەپ "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:Laki-logo.png 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone Asia/Tehran "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces Page: ورق, Page talk: گپ داین, Index: فیرست, Index talk: فیرست گپ For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings This language has a Latin and Arabic Script. لکی and Laki. Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

Proposal[edit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laki_language
Laki is a dialect of Kurdish language . Laki is a language of about 1.5 million people (2000 year)that live in west of iran and some city of east of iraq. This language is ancient language in persia and traced back to Sasanian era that its alive still. I wondered from lack of this language in Wikipedia so I request laki language for wikipedia to help lak people and wikipedia development. The Lak poets always introduce their self as a Kurd like Colonel Dudan , Mullah Parishan , Khan Almas , TurkAmir Azad Bakht , Sha Mobarek(Sha Khweshin)

شاخوەشین لەک__ ئەسڵەنم ژە کورد ئەسڵەنم ژە کورد بابم کوردێوەن ئەسڵەنم ژە کورد

سەرھەنگ دودان لەک__ ئەز کە ناممەن سەرھەنگ دودان مەکۆشم پەرێ ئایین کوردان

تورکەمیر ئازادبەخت لەک__ تورکەمیر نە تورک و نە عەرەولەفزم کورد کەم سەوات حافزئەلحەفزم

مەلاپەرێشان لەک__ ھەرچەن مەھاوردم دەلیل ژە قورئان مەواتێ یاڵاندەر کورد یوخدور ئیمان

Discussion[edit]

Laki, This vernacular is just a major dialect of Gurâni and is treated here separately not on linguistic grounds, but ethnological. The speakers of Laki have been steadily pulling away from the main body of Kurds, increasingly associating with their neighbouring ethnic group, the Lurs. The phenomenon is most visible among the educated Laks and the urbanites the countryside, the commoners still consider themselves Kurds in regions bordering other parts of Kurdistan, and Laks or Lurs where they border the Lurs. The process is a valuable living example of the dynamics through which the entire southern Zagros has been permanently lost by the Kurds since the late medieval period: an ethnic metamorphosis that converted the Lurs, Celus, Mamasanis, and Shabankdras into a new ethnic group (the greater Lurish ethnic group), independent of the Kurds.
Laki is presently spoken in the areas south of Hamadân and including the towns of Nahawand, Tuisirkân, Nurâbâd, Ilâm, Gelân, and Pahla (Pehle), as well as the countryside in the districts of Horru, Selasela, Silâkhur, and the northern Alishtar in western Iran. There are also major Laki colonies spread from Khurâsân to the Mediterranean Sea. Pockets of Laki speakers are found in Azerbaijan, the Alburz mountains, the Caspian coastal region, the Khurasani enclave (as far south as Birjand), the mountainous land between Qum and Kâshân, and the region between Adiyaman and the Ceyhan river in far western Kurdistan in Anatolia. There are also many Kurdish tribes named Lak who now speak other Kurdish dialects (or other languages altogether) and are found from Adana to central Anatolia in Turkey, in Daghistân in the Russian Caucasus, and from Ahar to the suburbs of Teheran in Iran.
The syntax and vocabulary of Laki have been profoundly altered by Luri, itself an offshoot of New Persian, a Southwest Iranic language. The basic grammar and verb systems of Laki are, like in all other Kurdish dialects, clearly Northwest Iranic. This relationship is further affirmed by remnants in Laki of the Kurdish grammatical hallmark, the ergative construction. The Laki language is therefore fundamentally different from Luri, and sin-iilar to Kurdish.
There are at least 1.5 million Laki speakers at present, and possibly many more, as they are often counted as Lurs.
Sources:
The Kurds, A Concise Handbook, By Dr. Mehrdad R. Izady, Dep. of Near Easter Languages and Civilazation Harvard University, USA, 1992

Arguments in favor[edit]

  1. Symbol support vote.svg SupportTheMilad This project confirms that Laki is language which can be one of official Wikipedia languages. Obviously the main domain (lki.wikipedia.org) encourage Lak people to extend this language in Wikimedia better than ever.
  2. Symbol support vote.svg SupportThe laki language is the best Iranians language because of its best pronounciation.it was very good to have its own wiki to allow people around the world to taste this language.this
  3. Symbol support vote.svg SupportE THP (talk) 05:14, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg SupportAmir a57 Laki language and a living language used in iran the Chhardoli the people there.--Amir a57 (talk) 19:14, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg Support Ταπυροι (گپ) 15:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
  6. Symbol support vote.svg Support Mjbmr (discussioncontribs) 05:12, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
  7. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Bilijacks (talk) 08:33, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
  8. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Sherzada (talk) 04:52, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
  9. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Abtin71 (talk) lak people are west iran and some of them in state ghazvin and khorasan and kerman and hamedan (main in asadabad and nahavand and malayer )and markazi a gilan south ... but many lak people in iraq kuredsatn are magrate at date ghajar and other gaverment . lak people in iran are 9 county at west iran:kuhdash ,delfan,alashtar,chegeni,beyranshar,dareshar,abdanan,shirvan chardawol,harsin ,sahane,kermansh(mahidashan and kangavar and ect )...any of counties are 300-600 papulation ....i hope create lki.wikipedia.org --Abtin71 (talk)
  10. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Hosseinblue (talk) thank you for create The laki language in test wiki of the Wikimedia Incubator we cmplate translation almost but is not exist in list wiki languge Although i cmplate Requirements too ...please help us --Hosseinblue (talk)
  11. Symbol support vote.svg Support hi firend ..im lak--Gelarabela (talk)
  12. Symbol support vote.svg Support laki is a great languge and have a many book and POETRY and ect --Yegelakor (talk)
  13. Symbol support vote.svg Support im so happy for this laki wiki ....so thank --Arminnaz71 (talk)
  14. Symbol support vote.svg Support Geldarlaki (talk) how to help to create wiki laki. tell me in discation me ...thank you all
  15. Symbol support vote.svg Support Sawerinme (talk)
  16. Symbol support vote.svg Support Chamsialakestan (talk)
  17. Symbol support vote.svg Support i am lak in lorestan province --Papola1997 (talk)
  18. Symbol support vote.svg Support--Wikilakzon (talk) 19:06, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
  19. Symbol support vote.svg Support--homayonlakestani (talk)
  20. Symbol support vote.svg Support--lakilang laki is the great languge and have some of the word is equal by old iranian and kasi and pahlavi langue and avestai ...For example difference by kurdi and luri and persian :en=baby*fa=بچه‎*ku=منال‎*luri=وه چه‎*lki=آیل‏ ... And more ... For save and advance this languge and create articles Please help us (talk)
  21. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Lakzon (talk) lki languge have 4 dialect for lak people:1-laki kermashani (3 county inclusive =harsin,sahane and parts of kermanshah and mahidash)2-laki kakavandi and oladghobadi and etivan and rashno and garavand and tarhani and chavari and mirbag and...3-laki kolivani and alashtari ...4-laki ilam(seymare) --Lakzon (talk)
  22. Symbol support vote.svg Support--Rehmat Aziz Chitrali 12:44, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
  23. Symbol support vote.svg Support--shirezard hi.the laki is the beautifull languge and have many people speak with him . Laki able to have a wikipedia?
  24. Symbol support vote.svg Support The Main page has been improved when compared to a few days ago. As of this date, it has 1,492 articles; although it is not yet on the top ten Test Wikipedias with the most articles but it is still growing.... --Jose77 (talk) 09:39, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
  25. Symbol support vote.svg Support--IVIOHSEN Lak Laki is considered a dialect of Kurdish language,Laki is presently spoken in the areas south of Hamadân and including the towns of Nahawand, Tuisirkân, Nurâbâd, Ilâm, Gelân, and Pahla (Pehle), as well as the countryside in the districts of Horru, Selasela, Silâkhur, and the northern Alishtar in western Iran. There are also major Laki colonies spread from Khurâsân to the Mediterranean Sea. Pockets of Laki speakers are found in Azerbaijan, the Alburz mountains, the Caspian coastal region, the Khurasani enclave (as far south as Birjand), the mountainous land between Qum and Kâshân, and the region between Adiyaman and the Ceyhan river in far western Kurdistan in Anatolia. There are also many Kurdish tribes named Lak who now speak other Kurdish dialects (or other languages altogether) and are found from Adana to central Anatolia in Turkey
  26. Symbol support vote.svg Support زبان لکی یکی از زبان های هندواروپایی است —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hadilak (talk) 23:20‎, 17 January 2018

Arguments against[edit]

  1. Oppose Bodhdharma (talk) 11:37, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
  2. Weak oppose. The test looks promising at first, but a closer look to its contents reveals that most pages are actually nothing more than one-sentence stubs, such as [1] and [2]. I would very much like to see a bigger effort in creating quality pages than the creation of a million stubs with virtually no contents. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 16:50, 27 December 2015 (UTC)