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Latgalian Wikipedia

main page Requests for new languages (Wikipedia Latgalian 3)
submitted verification final decision
Application-certificate.svg This proposal has been approved.
The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project. (See an unofficial analysis of this request.)

The closing committee member provided the following comment:

The wiki has been created at http://ltg.wikipedia.org/

Proposal summary
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More than two years passed after rejecting of our last request, and now we reborn as phoenix.

This is the third request for Latgalian Wikipedia.
All arguments in favour you can find in accepted request for new language code element (ltg) in ISO 639-3.

Arguments in favour

  • Support Support: Native speakers of Latgalian have the competency and willingness to contribute to this project in the long-term. Hence the Latgalian language deserves to be given the opportunity and priviledge to have its own language edition of Wikipedia along with the existing Baltic languages such as Latvian, Samogitian, and so on. --Jose77 06:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Support. Since the language has acquired its ISO code, there are no formal obstacles to allow Latgalian speakers to have their own wiki. Arguments in favour are listed in the previous request. — Gleb Borisov 03:27, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support, new / old members will be active on the next week --Dark Eagle 20:55, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support Since the problem with a language code has been solved, I see no obstacles for this project to achieve a Wikipedian level. --Wisconsus 22:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support There are no formal obstacles to allow Latgalian speakers to have their own wiki. --Jureits 13:40, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support per above. Hugo.arg 18:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support We have started working on Latgalian Wikipedia in 2006. The enthusiasm of our team has been greatly challenged since then by the rejections of our proposals and also by lack of many useful functions in the Incubator if compared to the fully-functioning Wikipedia. Please let us thrive not just survive! - Stiernīts 14:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support. I was for support from the first trying to cerate wikipedia. Latgalian language has history from XVII c., has clear writing system, grammer, vocabulars and good society in Latgola. And at last it got ISO code (Samogitians still don't have as nobody knows and for disinformation). Zordsdavini 20:22, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support There are no formal obstacles to allow Latgalian speakers to have their own wiki. I hope I could use information from Latgalian wikipedia to create and/or redact articles in Czech wikipedia. --Kusurija 19:59, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support I think there are enough article in this language.Kaiyr 21:59, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Support per aboveAndrijko Z. 16:38, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support − per above. Master Shadow 10:29, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support, Latgalian language has finally been recognised by ISO, the community has been waiting for this for a long time, I see no reason for further delays. --SpeedKing 23:10, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support, There are a lot of active users and many very high-quality articles! --Igriks 21:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Arguments against

  • Against Strong against It is not a separate language but Latvian dialect. Its peculiarities caused by strong external Slavic influence, since these territories have been administratively separated from the rest of the Latvian territories within the Russian Empire.--Leonst 20:49, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Regarding that, the project has already been verified as eligible by meeting requisites for eligibility, since the language has obtained its ISO-639 code and is sufficiently unique that it cannot coexist on a more general wiki.
It should be also noted that your statement (“Its peculiarities caused by strong external Slavic influence”) is not actually true. Yes, there are many Slavic derivations in Latgalian (just like Latvian has many German ones and Ukrainian has plenty of words of Polish, German and Turkic origin), but it's not what makes this idiom unique. And even if it had been as you say, it wouldn't have been a reason for rejecting the Latgalian wiki, just as Polish derivations in Belarusian and Ukrainian wouldn't have been a reason for rejecting their language projects. — Regards, Gleb Borisov 17:04, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Other discussion

  • Localisation is underway.. currently at 22,39% of the most used messages.. GerardM 01:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
    • The localisation is done — 100% of the most used messages --Dark Eagle 13:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Moving from Wp/bat-ltg to Wp/ltg have been completed --Dark Eagle 18:28, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Localisation done, project has more than 300 good quality articles. Maybe it's time to open the Latgalian Wikipedia? Hugo.arg 15:07, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't consider it active yet. For example take a look at these statistics. I've read "It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months." But it hasn't been since 2007 that there were three not-grayed-out editors in a month time. Therefore I believe we should first wait untill it gets a little bit more active. --OosWesThoesBes 11:02, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

If will be approved

  • Language name in native language (not needed for the setup, but needed if it is a completely new language for updating Meta pages): Latgaļu (for interwikis); Latgaļu volūda (full name)
  • Language code: ltg
  • Site url: ltg.wikipedia.org
  • Logo (135x155px PNG image; a derivative from a decent SVG image): File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-ltg.png
  • Project name ("Wikipedia" in native language): Vikipedeja
  • The name of the project namespace (usually the same as the previous): Vikipedeja
  • The name of the project talk namespace (something like "Wikipedia talk" in your language): Vikipedejis sprīža
  • Default project timezone (something like: CET (UTC+1)): EET (UTC+2)

Dark Eagle 16:03, 11 January 2011 (UTC)