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Proposed additions

wiki.midrange.com

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support see not reason why not. --Walter 20:23, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done Nearly inactive wiki with not even 500 content pages. Moreover an old report. --Barras 12:38, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

typophile.com

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  • Wiki format: [[typophile:]]
  • Interwiki link: http://typophile.com/node/$1
  • Statistics: 1676 entries (from http://typophile.com/typowiki)
  • Cross-wiki Link search: [3]
  • Reasons: Typophile.com is community regularly visited by typography experts, which post under their real names. The wiki feature is a newer addition. It allows users to link in their posts to wiki pages describing typography terms and technologies. There about 50 Wikipedia pages already linking to typophile.com.
support looks great --Walter 20:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done - Request over 1 year old and I can't find statistics or the recent changes of the wiki to see if it is still active and has some content. Per the linked page it looks like inactive, only about 50 creations in over 1 year. --Barras 16:39, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

ArMedical.info

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  • Wiki format: [[armedical:]]
  • Interwiki link: http://armedical.info/wiki/$1
  • Statistics: Statistics
  • Cross-wiki Link search: [4]
  • Reasons: ArMedical.info is Medical Information Center established for people to receive comprehensive medical information and advice from specialists free of charge. Need to cross-link with hy.wikipedia.com .

X mark.svg Not done - Not even 400 content pages and only a few edits. Doesn't look good enough for me to add it. --Barras 16:42, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Guild Wars Wiki

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  • Wiki format: [[GuildWarsWiki:]]
  • Interwiki link: http://www.wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/$1
  • Statistics: [5]
  • Cross-wiki Link search: [6]
  • Reasons: Large wiki concerning the game Guild wars. An older wiki about guild wars of similar size is already on the list as Guildwiki, however, since the move of guildwiki to wikia, links to guildwiki have been replaced by links guildwarswiki in most wikis.
  • Additional note: As also mentioned below, the guildwiki entry points to an old address and should be updated. --Xeeron 15:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done - Looks fine to me. Big content with over 18,000 pages and an active community. --Barras 16:48, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

WHATWG

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  • Wiki format: [[Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group:]]
  • Interwiki link: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Main_Page
  • Statistics: [7]
  • Cross-wiki Link search: [8]
  • Reasons: The Wiki that is about Web-standards and the official consortium about Web standards

X mark.svg Not done - Wiki has only 99 content pages. This isn't worthwhile enough for an interwiki link. --Barras 16:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Mathworld

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Is possible to add two new interwiki:

-- PersOnLine

MathWorld is not free content and not a wiki. Its accuracy is also sometimes questionable. On the other hand, it is widely linked to; on the English Wikipedia, the template en:Template:MathWorld is used more than 1000 times. -- Jitse Niesen 18:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
What content will the interwiki provide that isn't already in the relevant articles? Nakon 20:01, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Existing external link information:




FWIW, mathworld.wolfram.com has thousands of links on en.wikipedia with no evidence I could find of abuse.
faculty.evansville.edu/ck6/encyclopedia has 13; some apparently added by the site's author, others by respected mathematics editors. See this exchange: en:User talk:Clark Kimberling#Links to your work and en:User talk:Oleg Alexandrov/Archive10#New Harmony links. This appears to be one faculty member's project; his project is notable enough to have its own article, en:Encyclopedia of Triangle Centers (which has not been edited by User:Clark Kimberling). I should add that User:Clark Kimberling has added valuable, substantive content on en.wikipedia.
Perhaps it would be good to get input from some math editors on these. Once we add something to the interwiki map, we have no ability to track its' usage or who's adding it.
--A. B. (talk) 16:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Both X mark.svg Not done The first is not free content and the other doesn't look like a real wiki. I couldn't find statistics if this "wiki" is active. --Barras 16:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Rosetta Code

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http://www.rosettacode.org (GFDL Wiki for code snippets) is used to link / outsource code examples from Wikipedia. --Matthias 16:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't seem to contain enough content for inclusion. Nakon 20:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
It's been growing. Is it a better candidate now? --129.21.93.164 19:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done - no linkname provided, wiki has only under 600 entries. Looks active to me, perhabs try again later. --Barras 17:00, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

SugarLabs

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Wiki of the en:Sugar project, a descendant of olpc:. Prefix sugar: requested. Firefoxman 15:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Correct links are: en:Sugar (GUI) and http://sugarlabs.org/go/$1 ... that said, are there really all that many links that we need an interwiki entry? Kylu 19:06, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Existing external link information:


--A. B. (talk) 16:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done Only a few links, the link provided by Kylu doesn't work. Can't view the wiki. --Barras 17:03, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Proposed removals

Dead link removal

I plan on removing the following dead links from the map in the upcoming week. These sites are dead in the fact that they either a) do not resolve or b) return a domain parking page.

Additional discussion is requested for the following dead but alive links where the site is alive but the actual location is nonexistent (404'd) or has moved. Please note that the $1 variable was taken into account when testing the link.

Thanks, Nakon 22:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

The links in the first batch have been removed. Nakon 02:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
The Wikinfo page has moved from http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.php?title=$1 to http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/$1. Soxred93 23:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I dunno if it is done, First way, it is done by Nakon as he said in the first sentence, the second way is that he forgot about this. If there are any problems with one of the mentioned things above, just report it here. --Barras 18:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

sil & sul

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Both have been added recently, but both are valid ISO 639-3 codes, thus must not be used for other purposes. Please remove. The sooner the better so they won't get used widely. Thanks.

Suggestons for replace: sil → lang; sul → sulcheck.

Danny B. 02:07, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll have this done as soon as I get a list of all the current uses of this prefix (should be in a few days). Nakon 15:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
sul is widely used now, not really a good idea but sil can be removed if needed ..--Cometstyles 09:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've asked almost right after it has been added, when it hasn't been widely used yet. I don't know why it hasn't been removed immediately. :-/ So far I remember, there is a rule, that no prefix leading elsewhere than to such language version should match ISO code. What will you do, when sul guys will ask for their own wiki? Fixing now is pretty easy - just run crosswiki bot to do the replaces suggested above.
Danny B. 00:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

they call always be assigned SULwiki: which seems more reasonable and the term SUL has been in existence on wikimedia since late 2002 when Single-user login was just a myth and first preferential should be given to widely used interwiki and I doubt it will ever be used that widely, an example is metawiki: which links to some meatball search engine even though its best suited as an alternate for this wiki..--Cometstyles 03:54, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

If sul is an iso code, it should be removed as soon as possible. Hillgentleman 05:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I agree that it's better to change this now and run an interwiki bot to fix it than to wait until we have a Surigaonon language Wikipedia and SUL: is in even wider use. I don't think denying them the obviously link is really acceptable when we should have checked whether SUL was an iso code at the time. WJBscribe (talk) 09:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Looking at this, I think there is no reason to remove as the Surigaonon language is not that widely spoken and I don't think we will get any requests for that wiki creation as its an individual living language, not many people speak it..--Cometstyles 21:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
That's not a valid reason, see similar example (a set precedent). Cbrown1023 talk 22:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
According to w:Surigaonon language it is spoken by 300 Number of people speaking a language doesn't seem to have resulted in requests for wikis being turned down in the past. We have projects in quite obscure languages - I don't think it's right to presume we won't have a Surigaonon language project at some point in the future. WJBscribe (talk) 19:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Since the updating comes in batches, I suggest that we remove it now; we can always add it back if the discussion turns out that way. Hillgentleman 02:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
    I would agree with HIllgentleman. Cbrown1023 talk 20:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Does someone have an interwiki bot that can switch over current uses of SUL: to SULcheck: to avoid breaking links? WJBscribe (talk) 02:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I have removed SUL and SIL for the moment. WJBscribe, I don't know how if interwiki bot would be useful: locating the existing internal links on a wiki requires local knowledge on categorification. A question to mediawiki programmers: in case there is a conflict in namespace, language code, and interwiki map, what is the current order of priority? An idea is maybe we could keep the SUL for backward compatibility, and discourage its use. After all, the current uses of sul:username are unlikely to cause future conflicts with the future interwiki links to the future sul-wikipedia, except perhaps for a wiki-celebrity. Hillgentleman 08:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
    • SULcheck is fine; but I suggest SULinfo: (sul information) which is less english-centric; or sulutil: which is the name of the tool. Hillgentleman 02:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I am going to add sulutil: if nobody objects. Hillgentleman 04:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
    • sulutil: sounds better, no collision potential. xaosflux Talk 13:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
      • Agreed, sulutil: is the best suggestion. WJBscribe (talk) 19:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Could you please also add an alternative for [sil:], for example [silcode:]. Thanks, SPQRobin (inc!) 13:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I suggest silutil or else people will become crazy remembering which way round it is. Hillgentleman 06:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't matter to me which prefix it is, I'd just like to have an interwiki prefix to use :-) SPQRobin (inc!) 22:51, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Seems to be done. --Barras 18:12, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

chinatravelguide

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The wiki owner has been spamming en.wikipedia. For better control and transparency, we should remove this from the interwiki map and require the use of external links versus interwiki links. See:

--A. B. (talk) 02:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Sensible removal. WJBscribe (talk) 19:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm Jay Fang, one of the founders of ChinaTravelGuide.com. I think I myself and ChinaTravelGuide have been wronged on this issue. Unfortunately I did not even know what happened until wp told me I had a new message from SiobhanHansa. My explanation is at What happened to ChinaTravelGuide. We did not spam wp. I'd appreciate if admins can take a look to make a final decision. JayFang 23:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
See the information just posted at en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#chinatravelguide.com (permanent link); most of the links were added by IPs in Southern California or one of three registered users. Our link report shows virtually no links added by established users. --A. B. (talk) 22:39, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, A. B. and all, see my post at WikiProject discussion. Thanks. JayFang 07:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Stale request. No action done here. If anything needs to be done, just re-report it here. --Barras 18:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

wiki:

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The "wiki:"-mapping is a copy of "C2:" but not logical. All entries are Wikis, so why should one of them get the prefix "wiki"? Also, most users of Wikipedia call it "Wiki" so they expect "Wiki:" to be an abbrevation of "Wikipedia:". Thus I request that this confusing interwiki link is removed. Regards SoWhy 13:22, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I strongly support removing this. Laaknor 08:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
My support, as well. --EivindJ 08:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I would support removal but will not support it being used as a link to wikipedia..--Cometstyles 10:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep as it is. This prefix has a long history, and is used by default on all MediaWiki installations. Removing it would not only create a discrepancy, but will also break lots of existing links. MaxSem(Han shot first!) 10:04, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
    Easy to run a bot on all projects to replace it.
    Danny B. 12:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
    How do you make sure you find all of the links? Do you use google, mediawiki search, or something else? Hillgentleman 02:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
It's not illogical for wiki: to point to the first wiki, and people ought to stop saying "wiki" when they mean Wikipedia. Removing this link won't solve anything. I think it should stay. Angela 02:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

No done and stale. --Barras 18:19, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Requests for updates

YouTube Wiki?

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  1. Is there already a YouTube wiki?
  2. Do you have do pay web-hosting fees or does Wikia cover that? --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.111.54.202 (talk) on 8 March 2008
There isn't a YouTube wiki hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. Our hosting costs are covered through grants and other donations. More information is available at wmf:Fundraising_FAQ Nakon 20:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
You may be thinking about Wikia, which does have a YouTube wiki, located here. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 19:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done No information for this, no real request. --Barras 18:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Updates: worth being aware

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Worth being aware of [9] where Brion makes a good humored complaint about the hassle of doing updates. I wonder whether we could make life easier for him by doing whatever security checks he refers to here and making it less frequent? Perhaps we should try to minimise edits to the list? Thoughts anyone? --AndrewCates 09:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Just to add despite the comment there appears to have been an update in the last few days for which we should thank Brion. --AndrewCates 17:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Can be archived --Barras 18:40, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

How long does it take?

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I was just wondering how long it takes to get these done? - LA @ 10:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't know. But there has been an update since 20 August since stable: is in there and WikiFur: has been updated. Interwiki map needs updating with this information. GreenReaper 04:35, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
It looks like there's a backlog. Is any meta admin looking at this page these days? VasileGaburici 19:35, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Can be archived. --Barras 18:40, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

BugZilla creation this Sunday for update request

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Hi, I will create this Sunday a bugzilla ticket to request to update the interwiki-map. This will no mean the will actulay do it the soon bnut it is posible. I would advice to try to get done what ever needs to get done to the list by then. --Walter 16:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Bug created bugzilla:15989 --Walter 08:52, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Can be archived. --Barras 18:42, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Other discussions

en.wiki and the use of interwiki links

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Seeing that we had an interwiki link for IMDb, I proposed a change to a template on en.wiki at wikipedia:Template talk:Infobox Film#IMDb interwiki link. It was denied by an admin, citing concerns about using such links in the article namespace because of mirrors and forks. I'm a bit new to this whole interwiki map thing, so I thought I would ask if this had been considered before. -- Ned Scott 00:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Funny you should mention that. I happened to be completely independently nosing around an actor article, noticed that the IMDb link was still external, said hm... didn't I add IMDbName: ??? tested it, it worked, and found there is a template there for it... went there and left a message about it ... apparently there was resistance to the change 2 years ago. See w:Template_talk:Imdb_name specifically this version: [10] I sort of think what is the point of people asking to have links added here if they don't plan to use them. But maybe that's just an en:wp thing? Or old news? Thanks for bringing this up. ++Lar: t/c 11:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd say it's a wikipedia thing (especially en.wiki). There interwiki links are useful for other projects. --Steinninn 04:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Old discussion from 2007/08. --Barras 18:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

NOTE about adds

The following discussion is closed: old section from 2008. --Barras 18:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

A number of requests have been added at the bottom and did not follow the template. Please remember to use the template as it collects all the info needed, and make your requests in the proper section. Thanks! ++Lar: t/c 03:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)