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Going to make some changes[edit]

Explanation: The goal of this list is to ensure small Wikipedias have a good mix of important content to start off with. Bolded items should best reflect the category of article they are in and not primarily be known for other reasons. It also should not be too West-centric.

Unless someone pings me with an objection in the next few days, I am going to make the following changes to this list:

Kindest Regards, –MJLTalk 06:09, 28 January 2020 (UTC) Edited: 06:26, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose About the changes, Franklin D. Roosevelt is one of the most important president in the history of US. Shaka is an important king in Africa but it is not more important than others African kings of the period (Usman dan Fodio, Omar Saidou Tall...). Regarding Ayn Rand, she's an infuential essayist in the US but her theory (laissez-faire, importance of individual rights...) was better described by others philosophers or economists. And Sartre developped original theories (existentialism...) was a key figure of the philosophy of the 20th century. Best regards, --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 08:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
About bolding/unbolding changes, I think some propositions are very strange. For exemple, Guereva is an important figure but it's hard to considere him more important than Lenin. And it's the same with Money/Currency, Toy/Chess, Hinduism/Spanish, Christopher Columbus/Akira Kurosawa... Best regards, --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 08:13, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I oppose the unargumented additions and removals. — Yerpo Eh? 10:12, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Disagree on most of the bolds/unbolds. Strongly disagree on the removal of Roosevelt/Sartre. Shaka would be a good add, and despite the suggestion that Fodio and Tall are equal in prominence (they're not, he's clearly the most prominent pre-modern age African leader, with only Musa I of Mali coming close). Either way we should have atleast one of the pre-modern age African leaders listed, he is arguably more important than Guevara who doesn't stack up to Fidel Castro and i'd even list Toussaint Louverture over both Guevera or Castro as his impact had more of a revolutionary impact on the world than small island Cuba. Guevara and Castro have to compete with Ho Chi Minh too in 20th century revolutionary prominence, so Guevara would be the weakest entry point for a pre-modern age African figure like Shaka. But we don't list African cultural figures like Fela Kuti or Chinua Achebe, and we don't cover ANY ancient pharaoh like Ramesses II, which would be a better add than Shaka anyway, but both would fit. (yes i know, Naguib Mahfouz is listed but considering we list Abu Nuwas, i'd prefer a swap of Mahfouz with Achebe).
Now Ayn Rand would only be vital as a writer, her philosophical achievements would be below many other social scientists. But we don't have ANY women writers, which is a BIG miss, Sappho, Murasaki Shikibu, Jane Austen, Mary Wollstonecraft, Agatha Christie, Virginia Woolf, Selma Lagerlöf, Emily Dickinson, George Eliot or Mary Shelley would all come before Rand and atleast one should be listed.
Here are my other suggestions that could be good additions in my opinion, to add to the spirit of this thread
1. Marlene Dietrich could be swapped for Anna Pavlova, since we already list two other actresses and Pavlova covers a more underrepresented field (dance) and Ballet has a longer European art history than German film (two American actresses would be too much, so i assume she's listed for her German work). Maria Callas would be the other choice for a older European artform like artistic singing/opera to be covered among popular singers, while increasing women. Or even adding Coco Chanel, for another undercovered area.
2. Wright brothers, Cai Lun, Nicéphore Niépce, Alexander Graham Bell, Auguste and Louis Lumière, Alessandro Volta all could have a place and also Hippocrates or Andreas Vesalius, since medicine is a vital field and we could do with another other than Pasteur. Fibonacci, Ptolemy and Francis Bacon would be good too.
3. Japan's a vital enough country to list a political leader like Hirohito (especially if we have De Gaulle) , Emperor Meiji or Oda Nobunaga
4. William the Conqueror should be listed
5. Henrik Ibsen/Brothers Grimm could be another add - Ibsen is more important than Hans Christian Andersen
6. one of the Beatles/Louis Armstrong/Elvis/Édith Piaf should be bold instead of Stravinsky, so atleast one non classical composer is bolded. One person from directors/screenwriters/actors should be bolded too, probably Chaplin or Kurosawa or Hitchcock.
7. Bruce Lee and Pelé represent culture figures that are non European/American and would be a good counter. Someone like Bruce Lee holds as much weight in Asia itself as Marilyn Monroe does America. Pele is alive and i get that we probably shouldn't list alive people, but he'd be our one South American culture figure and arguably soccer has just as much of a impact around the world as major form of arts like American film, of which we list 7 representatives.
8. Peter Paul Rubens should be swapped for Claude Monet, who had much more of a impact on modern art than Rubens, if we had to list a Flemish artist i'd prefer Jan van Eyck over Rubens for time period diversity.
9. I don't see why we should have Al-Ghazali over Ali and i don't see why we need too Buddhists and i would remove Nagarjuna for Maimonides.
10. Amelia Earhart could be a good add to add women to explorers and to cover aviators. Florence Nightingale would be a another good add. Emmeline Pankhurst wouldn't be out of place with MLK listed.
Anyway just thought i'd offer my thoughts as a outside observer, i disagree with most of these proposed edits and offered up some of my own people who could be decent picks on the list, thanks. GuzzyG (talk) 19:28, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
The number of biographies (204) is too high. In my opinion for example Matisse, Rubens, Velázquez, Warhol, Dvořák, Cartier, Dietrich, Spielberg, Berners-Lee, Joule, Chomsky, Che and Hegel can be removed. I can support adding Ramses, Sappho, Murasaki Shikibu (Genji is currently listed), Jane Austen, Hippocrates, Louis Pasteur or Claude Monet. I don't think that the list needs any dancer, opera singer or aviator. --Thi (talk) 14:46, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
@Thi: I would support al these remivals which yku suggested. But as for additions, for now I can support just Pastoue as number of biograpbies should be much lower. 12:16, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Reasoning behind removing Roosevelt. @Nicolas Eynaud and GuzzyG: Of the 39 political leaders, 4 are United States Presidents and 5 are WW2-era World Leaders. FDR sits at the intersection of both groups, and I'm sorry but the point of this list is not to find the most impactful leaders but to provide a variety of coverage. Replacing him with Shaka only makes logical sense as he is one of the most famous African leaders in history (Nelson Mandela is pretty lonely).
    Removal of Jean-Paul Sartre. To be honest, I don't care how it happens, but have way to many French philosophers on that list, and somehow do not have a single woman. If I suggested we axe Voltaire, people would've rioted. If I suggested we axe Descartes, the people would have rioted. If I suggested Rousseau or Beauvoir... same thing. The French don't have a monopoly on philosophy, and I picked the most well known woman philosopher I could think of.
    Boldings. Besides maybe Guevara, no one has articulated any actual reasoning behind disagreeing with my proposed boldings. I clearly state at the beginning that the list should reflect a diversity of content which adequately reflects the archetypes of each list not what is or is not the most "important" of the list. That's why I would prefer we have Che Guevara over Fidel Castro; we already have too many dictators on the list and not enough revolutionaries.
    I hope what I am saying makes more sense in context. –MJLTalk 00:04, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
No offense, MJL, but your reasoning on replacing Sartre makes no sense at all. Only four out of 26 listed "philosophers and social scientists" are French, one of them even a woman - and if I understand your commment right, you'd be ok with removing her to make place for Rand. — Yerpo Eh? 08:16, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
@Yerpo: You are right. I did not notice there was a woman French philosopher in the list. I'm striking my previous suggestions on the matter. –MJLTalk 15:11, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Cynnig i ddiddymu'r prosiect[edit]

Po fwyaf rwy'n gweld sut mae'r "cystadleuaeth" yma'n gweithio, po fwyaf rwy'n credu dylai cael ei ddiddymu. Rwyf wedi ehangu saith erthygl o ddiffiniad y prosiect o "egin" i "erthygl hir" yn ystod y cyfnod 5 Ebrill - 5 Mai, mae eraill wedi cyfrannu'n helaeth hefyd. Er hynny mae'r Gymraeg wedi codi un safle'n uwch yn y gynghrair ers 5 Ebrill, ac mae ein cyfartaledd beit yr erthygl wedi ei ostwng o ychydig dros 3,000 i ychydig dros 2,000. Mis yn ôl roedd pob un erthygl yno, bellach rydym yn brin o un. Yn ystod y ddeufis diwethaf mae chwe erthygl wedi eu diddymu a chwe erthygl newydd wedi cymryd eu lle. Mae'r prosiect yn honni ei fod yn "gymorth" i wiciau mewn ieithoedd llai eu defnydd, ond y gwir yw, o wylio tudalen sgwrs y prosiect, mae "pwysigrwydd" erthyglau yn cael ei farnu yn bennaf, gan bobl Saesneg eu hiaith, nid gan siaradwyr ieithoedd llai eu defnydd. Rwy'n cytuno bod angen erthyglau gwell am sawl un sy'n cael eu crybwyll gan y prosiect ar y Wici Cymraeg, ond o ddilyn ei awgrymiadau "nhw" byddwn wrthi hyd Sul y Pys yn dilyn eu newidiadau parhaus o be sy'n bwysig, yn hytrach na chreu erthyglau sy'n bwysig i ni! Pam bod erthygl hirfaith am Umm Kulthum yn cael ei hystyried yn bwysicach nag un am Rhiannon Tomos, neu erthygl hir am Charles Dickens yn bwysicach nag un hirfaith am Kate Roberts neu Daniel Owen ar y safle Cymraeg o herwydd bod Sais neu Americanwr wedi gwneud dyfarniad? Nid prosiect am wella wiciau ieithoedd llai eu defnydd mo hyn ond prosiect i'w coloneiddio. AlwynapHuw (talk) 04:03, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Swap: Remove Hebrew, Add Meditation[edit]

Hebrew isn't influential like other languages are. Meditation is influential in many cultures. Interstellarity (talk) 00:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Support
Oppose
  • Oppose Hebrew being the only dead language revived on a mass scale makes it a vital language to cover and does make it stand out. GuzzyG (talk) 18:03, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I think Hebrew was influential more than other languages.--Toku (talk) 12:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose we should not swap a language with a spiritual practice. There are already 3 spiritual practices listed. Minoo (talk) 21:33, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Discuss

COVID-19 pandemic[edit]

Due to its huge worldwide impact, I suggest adding COVID-19 pandemic and removing smallpox as this disease is eradicated from 1980. --Xosé Antonio (talk) 21:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose Smallpox was a very important disease from Antiquity to current era and there were more deadly epidemics than covid-19 in 1918-1920, in 1957-1958 or in 1968-1970. Smallpox is also regularly mentionned in biological warfare. Then, I think it's not a good idea to include a very recent disease. --Toku (talk) 09:27, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose COVID-19's impact is because we're living through it now; it's very likely that in a decade it will be way less important. For comparison, the 1918 pandemic isn't listed here, even though that pandemic infected 500 million people worldwide and killed potentially 100 million of them (at a time when the global population was "only" 1.8 billion people); COVID-19 is likely to infect and kill far fewer people before it's contained. Even the Black Death, which killed between a third and a half of Europe, isn't listed here. ディノ千?!☎ Dinoguy1000 16:52, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm not an expert in medicine and diseases, but the importance of a disease is given not only by the number of casualties, but other aspects. I think it's an important subject for many reasons, it is the first pandemic disease broadcasted in live to the whole world, the negative impact on economy, work and trade is still unknown, it is profoundly changing the way of working and teaching, etc. Maybe smallpox deserves not to be removed, but there are another diseases in the list that could be. What about headache? --Xosé Antonio (talk) 20:33, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose - I would rather add Black Death first before adding this one since that was the deadliest pandemic in history. We don't know how history will remember this pandemic. Come back in 25 years and I might change my mind. I might support adding Black Death though. Interstellarity (talk) 21:10, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose Per Interstellarity --62.42.68.49 11:33, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Additions and removals[edit]

This page doesn't seem to have a formal procedure on additions and removals. On enwiki's vital articles list, they have a formal procedure. For example, how do we know if we have consensus to add or remove something? Should we have a consensus on what to bold and what not to bold? Some things to think out. There could be a slower response to this one since this isn't as actively watched as enwiki's vital articles. Interstellarity (talk) 17:15, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


Maybe we could agree to the following:

  • diversity in all dimensions is purpose of the list
  • a change of the list needs more support than opposition
  • a change needs at least 5 supporters on the discussion page
  • swapping like for like (category switch only with reason)
  • single swaps (no mass changes)
  • no living persons biographies
  • proposals should be provided with a reason
    Minoo (talk) 22:06, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Some proposals[edit]

I'm going to propose the swaps that GuzzyG suggested in an earlier post. I think all of these swaps are worth considering. Interstellarity (talk) 17:25, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: I think number of biograpbies is already far too high on this list. Personally I would support removall of all biographies which Thi and GuzzyG have suggested except Hans Christian Andersen. The only biography which I would support very fastly add (for now, and among proposal which they gave) is Louis Pasteur due to obvious reason. I would keep H C Abdersen. In my view Fairy Tale should have one representative based disussion where someone nominated Fairy Tale for removal on English Wikipedia. H C Andersen is by far more vital than Grimm Brothers as he is the most translated author from 19th century (yes, he is THE one), the most popular European writer in China (yes, probably more than Shakespeare. While readers rather not search about Fairy Tales on the Wikipedia then there so many reliable sources for that fact on the Internet. There are even sources H C Andersen is the most popular forgein writer there) and represent Scandinavia area better than Grimm Brothers Germany. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:30, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
@Dawid2009: I have changed a few proposals so that most of the biographies are removed. Let me know what you think of them. I would like to ask you your thoughts on removing some of the countries on the list. Do you think any need to bhe removed? If so, which ones? Interstellarity (talk) 12:59, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
@Interstellarity:. I agree number of countries is bit too high on this list too. Among 1000 divewrse space this is not very neccesary to list so many countries. 40-45 seems be about right. Firs three countries which I would remove would be Vatican City, Singapore and New Zealand but this is just me. I would prefer this topic be discussed among more people to not do it subjectively. I also keep votes in changes nominations by You. I am ambivalent about adult/adolescence so I did not put vote them. Later or earlier personally I would remove all those biographies but I did not put vote at Tschaikovsky as there are also still other biographies which I would remove before Tschaikovsky but it jst me. Cheers. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Swap St. Peter's Basilica for Shia Islam[edit]

Support
Dawid2009 (talk) 12:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose
Oppose Oppose Shia Islam is important,but St. Peter's Basilica is also important.--Opqr (talk) 12:55, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose I don't think we should have in the list the subdivision of important religions except for the two biggest ones : catholicism and Sunni Islam. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 19:29, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose We should not swap building to religion Minoo (talk) 21:46, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Neutral
Discuss

Swap Chekov for Louis Pasteur Hygiene[edit]

Support
Dawid2009 (talk) 12:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose Louis Pasteur on the list.--Opqr (talk) 13:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose 200 is a good biography number, i didn't mean to swap weak biographies with non-biographies, just a more diverse base of biogaphies. Chekov is a important writer. GuzzyG (talk) 13:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose Chekov is an important writer. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 20:25, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Neutral
Discuss

@Dawid2009 and Opqr: I changed my proposal for something different. Interstellarity (talk) 14:20, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Swap Ovid for Protestantism[edit]

Support
Dawid2009 (talk) 12:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose
Oppose Oppose This goes to indepth on Christianity to the detriment of other religions. I'd take New Religious movements over this. GuzzyG (talk) 13:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose Ovid is an important classical writer. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 20:26, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose cat change, enough religion in list Minoo (talk) 22:09, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Neutral
Discuss

Swap Marlene Dietrich for Eastern Orthodox Church[edit]

Support
Dawid2009 (talk) 12:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Support Support--Opqr (talk) 12:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose
Oppose Oppose This goes to indepth on Christianity to the detriment of other religions. I'd take New Religious movements over this. We have so little women on this list as it is? She's a easy target, but with so many men why go for the little amount of women. are we going to list every Christian sect when this is a world list and the world is not fully Christian? What makes "Eastern Orthodox Church" more important to write a article in Amharic for than Chinese Buddhism? One of the many reasons listing regional religions that are offshoots off a major one is bad for this "world" list. GuzzyG (talk) 13:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose Per GuzzyG + after the suppression of Spielberg, I don't it's a good idea to reduce again the number of articles regarding cinema in the list. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 20:28, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose Artists are not enough represented in this list, GuzzyG did not suggest to remove Marlene Dietrich for Eastern Orthodox ChurchMinoo (talk) 21:53, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Neutral
Discuss

Swap Dvořák for Adult[edit]

Support
'Support removal Dawid2009 (talk) 12:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose
Oppose Oppose Adult is a bland article. Like Box, not my definition of "vital". GuzzyG (talk) 13:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose Per GuzzyG. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 20:24, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose I do not see why this should be one of the most imoprtant articles in wikipedia Minoo (talk) 21:55, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Neutral
Discuss

Swap Tchaikovsky for Adolescence[edit]

Support
Oppose
Oppose Oppose Tchaikovsky is important. Adolescence is not so important.--Opqr (talk) 12:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose Per Opqr. GuzzyG (talk) 13:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose Per Opqr too. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 20:23, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose no reason given Minoo (talk) 22:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Neutral
Discuss

Swap Mahler for Information Age[edit]

Support
Dawid2009 (talk) 12:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose
Oppose Oppose "Information age" would be too close to "Information technology" which is included in the list. whym (talk) 06:37, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose Per Whym. GuzzyG (talk) 13:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose To me, "Information age" is very close to "Information technology" but the notion is not so clear. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 20:16, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose no reason mentioned Minoo (talk) 21:56, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Neutral
Discuss

Swap Rubens for Bow and arrow[edit]

Support
Dawid2009 (talk) 12:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose
Oppose Oppose Bow and arrow is a bland article, more what used to be a everyday object. Armour would atleast be different GuzzyG (talk) 13:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose To me, "Bow and arrow" is a very generic article, Rubens is an important painter ans this change will reduce the part of arts in the list. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 20:20, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose the Flintstones Minoo (talk) 22:11, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Neutral
Discuss

Swap Tim Berners-Lee for Mental health[edit]

We should probably remove a lot of bios from the list. This article might be a good alternative. Interstellarity (talk) 15:23, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Support
Dawid2009 (talk) 12:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose He invented the World Wide Web, one of the most vital inventions ever; which has completely changed the modern world. I would strongly dispute we should lower the list of biographies. It would be vital for every modern encyclopedia to list the inventor of the web. GuzzyG (talk) 13:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose Per GuzzyG. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 20:58, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Neutral
Support Support deletion of Tim Berners-Lee (living persons should not be included in the list, too many biographies), but Oppose Oppose to Mental Health Minoo (talk) 22:20, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose
Discuss

Remove State (polity), Add Country[edit]

The defintion of en:state (polity) is ambiguious. It can be a state (Ex. Texas) of Federated state. it can also be a country (Ex. Slovakia). I suggest to use a less-ambiguious article en:country.--Wolfch (talk) 12:23, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Support
Wolfch (talk) 11:12, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose
Oppose Oppose "State" is an important politic, economical and philosophical concept. I think it's necessary to keep it in the list. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 20:22, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose Per Nicolas Eynaud too.--Opqr (talk) 12:56, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose State is a political concept. Country is just the collective name of England, Japan, India and Russia.Minoo (talk) 22:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Discuss
How about the ambiguity issue of en:state (polity)?
The en:country is also a political entity. There is "Countries" section tilee in the List of articles every Wikipedia should have#Geography. However, the "country" itself is not in the list --Wolfch (talk) 08:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
@Nicolas Eynaud:, do you mean en:state (polity) is an important politic, economical and philosophical concept about en:country?--Wolfch (talk) 03:38, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Industry industry (Q8148)[edit]

Industry in this list is connected to Q8148, which in enwiki is only a redirect to manufacturing (Q187939). Eniki manufacturing again is connected eg not to dewiki Industrie industry (Q8148) , but to Verarbeitendes Gewerbe (Q187939). This redirect business between references on this list is not helpful. Kipala (talk) 07:37, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

This seems to be fixed now. Minoo (talk) 22:35, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Archiving[edit]

This talk page is long (150+ kB) and it seems like a time-based automatic archiving system would help. User:ArchiverBot is a bot to automate that. Most of the talk page sections here are about the current state of the list that keeps changing, so it doesn't make much sense to keep sections from years ago 'alive' here. I would suggest something similar to the setup of Talk:Global AbuseFilter, with an inactivity threshold of 90 days. If that is too fast, the threshold can be longer, 180 days or 365 days. Any thoughts? whym (talk) 10:05, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I set up auto archiving for 6 months to clear out this talk page. Interstellarity (talk) 14:00, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
I did some archiving. Minoo (talk) 22:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Swap: Remove Vatican City, Add New religious movements[edit]

I think we should cover New religious movements on this list. Interstellarity (talk) 14:11, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Support
Oppose

Oppose Oppose OK with removing Vatican City but not with this article. Indeed, the concept of "New religions" looks unclear and, to me, is not so important in the modern society. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 19:24, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose enough religion included in the list Minoo (talk) 22:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Neutral
Discuss

Creating a better list[edit]

I would like to get some input from users regarding which articles should be removed and added to the list. It seems like my nominations on this page gained opposition. I would like to know which articles would be the best candidates for removal and which ones would be a good for addition. I've created a list where you can come up with articles that could and could not be fit for the list. I think the sections that need the most work are the people section and the countries section. We can create a list that every culture is represented. I would also like everyone to sign next to your suggestion so I know who made the suggestion. These are not formal nominations, just suggestions. Once we get a good list of suggestions, we can decide which ones will be added and which ones will be removed. Interstellarity (talk) 23:01, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Please do not post your proposals in duplicate. Minoo (talk) 22:48, 5 May 2021 (UTC)(UTC)

Possible removals[edit]

Possible additions[edit]

Oppose Oppose enough male biographies (194 at the moment). Minoo (talk) 22:56, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose enough male biographies (194 at the moment). Minoo (talk) 22:56, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose There should be a minimum of relevance. There are oly 500 page views a day and about 300 page links (Ayn Rand, which is not yet included has about 4000 page views a day and about 3700 page links) in en wikipedia.Minoo (talk) 23:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose enough male biographies (194 at the moment). Minoo (talk) 22:56, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose enough male biographies (194 at the moment). Minoo (talk) 22:56, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose 26 articles about mathaematics incuded - why should this proportion be bigger? Minoo (talk) 23:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose this is an important topic, but I'm not sure if this is really one of the 1000 articles every Wikipedia should have Minoo (talk) 23:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose enough countries (46 at the moment). Minoo (talk) 23:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose enough countries (46 at the moment). Minoo (talk) 23:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose enough countries (46 at the moment). Minoo (talk) 23:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

I support the addition of Michael Jackson and Teresa Teng, as well as the removal of Antonín Dvořák. --Awvazquez (talk) 16:39, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
OK with the removal of Vatican City, Singapore and New Zealand and OK with the addition of Marley. Others propositions seem to be very famous people during their life but their influence on the following years doesn't look so important or is still hard to establish as they died "recently".--Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 06:49, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Singapore is not an important country, but a very important city.By the way, Hong Kong is on the list.--Opqr (talk) 14:15, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
I would only support swapping the same topic like a singer for a singer, a geographic area for a geographic area, etc. Not only is it easier to compare importance but the list doesn't becomes just biographies. --MarsRover 05:12, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
I agree with the addition of Michael Jackson to the list. I would also add Ernest Hemingway. --Salvabl (talk) 22:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
I agree that we should only be swapping like for like. I also disagree with Cartier being removed. Very notable figure at least in my part of the world. Heck there is even a vignette about him that comes on TV all the time here. -Djsasso (talk) 14:14, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Removing Louis XIV and Marxism don't look like a good idea to me.--Toku (talk) 15:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
@Toku: Considering that we list Communism, which is a broader topic than Marxism, it seems redundant to have it listed. I would support a swap removing Marxism and adding Genocide. Interstellarity (talk) 23:28, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
How can I get more people to comment on this thread since this page is not watched as much? Interstellarity (talk) 12:27, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Definite no on Louis XIV/Henry VIII swap (inconsequential from the global perspective), no on swapping Marxism with Genocide (what?), OK with removing someone from biographies and adding it in their stead. Although some of the changes are uncontroversial (for example, removing Vatican City and Singapore), I am not sure more biographies is what these lists need. Keeping it around 200 is fine, if all of these countries are removed, they should be replaced with other countries, I would suggest ones missing by population. stjn[ru] 11:42, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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Can someone close this discussion and evaluate the consensus for this page, please? Thanks, Interstellarity (talk) 13:18, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Swap Chekov for Sappho[edit]

Chekov should be deleted because there are already 4 Russian authors around 1800-1900 listed. Greece is represented only with one author. Sappho is already inculded in the list of Vital articles. Therefore Sappho (Greece 600 B.C) should be included in the list of Minoo (talk) 01:32, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

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Support Support I'm tentatively in favor of adding a woman writer, and an ancient one, though as we know so little about her life it may be hard to write an extensive article. A. Mahoney (talk) 13:05, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

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Oppose Oppose Not sure Sappho is the most important author of Ancient Greece and find bibliography about her to write an article will be complicated. Moreover, Chekov is an important author in modern litterature. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 16:02, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

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Adding Black Death, removing Ethanol[edit]

I would suggest adding Black Death, as the deadliest pandemic in history and the one which reshaped Eurasia and ended the Middle Ages. I think that we should remove Ethanol (we could change Addiction for Alcoholism, as Ethanol is under Health but most of the articles talk about chemistry, where we do have an article about alcohol). -Theklan (talk) 13:12, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

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Oppose Oppose Black Death is not the deadliest pandemic in history and Ethanol is important for health and chemistry purposes. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 16:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Atacama Desert[edit]

Hello everyone, I am Jmaster Estrella 2 and I have come to add the Atacama Desert, located in the north of Chile, since it is the most arid desert in the world and I think it is not representative that it is not on this list. Curiously I am from that country, but I think this place is of great importance for Wikipedia. --Jmaster Estrella 2 (Solo un furro que ayuda a la Wikipedia) Animal footprint.svg

Hello, it's necessary to suggest a swap with an article of the current list. Tradition asks to propose a swap with an article of the same category (to me, if accepted, Atacama Desert should be in Geography category) but it's not an obligation. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 09:07, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

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Swap: Remove Umm Kulthum, Add Édith Piaf[edit]

Why was the most known non-american female artist of the 20th century removed from this list with a ridiculous excuse like "we don't have many Arab composers on here"? And why Umm Kulthum(Ümmü Gülsüm), which isn't that famous outside of middle east replaced with her. Édith Piaf would be better option for list. Hezars (talk) 13:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

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  1. Oppose Oppose - I think we should include at least one composer who is not Western. Piaf is a Western composer. Interstellarity (talk) 18:39, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


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