Talk:List of articles every Wikipedia should have

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Guidelines being agreed upon:
  1. A change of the list needs more support than opposition
  2. Proposals should be provided with a reason
  3. a change needs at least 5 supporters on the discussion page
  4. swapping like for like (category switch only with reason)
  5. single swaps (no mass changes)

Clarification to the "swapping like for like (category switch only with reason)" rule[edit]

In earlier discussions on this page, after this rule have been accepted that by people on this page, someone interpreted this rule very strictly, like an opposition against "Swap Vatican City for Scandinavia" proposal claim they are of a different category; but others interpreted the rule very loosely. like an opposition against "Swap Marlene Dietrich for Amazon rainforest" claim Amazon rainforest belongs to geography category. So what count and what doesn't count as same category? C933103 (talk) 02:05, 15 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is a good question. I think if you come here on a slow day you can get any swap you want.
The category rule was to prevent the natural degeneration to a list of biographies. For some reason, people like biographies over other types of topics. Also, its easier to compare topics of the same type. In my opinion, the rule should just apply to the broadest category.
There is also a balance rule that is used to prevent the natural degeneration to a list of topics that editors are most familiar with. This rule is sort of endlessly debatable but I think could be used to oppose both swaps you mentioned. i.e. adding yet more Italian topics and yet more American movie stars doesn't make the list more globally balanced. -MarsRover 06:53, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can we swap smth/smone for Discrimination?[edit]

Discrimination is the general concept that can include racism (that we already have in the list), sexism, ageism, ableism, religious discrimination etc.; it also includes individual discrimination, structural discrimination, instututional discrimination... so it's the one of the core concepts. And, when we look in the relevant academic literature, we can see the importance of the topic only grows.--Reprarina (talk) 07:57, 7 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discrimination can be introducced in "Human rights". And it's necessary to explain more your proposal : "Smth" and "Smone" don't us give the possibility to understand it.--Toku (talk) 13:49, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Swap Vienna for Toronto[edit]

We list both Vienna and Austria on the list and I think one of the two should be removed. Vienna seems to be redundant to Austria. Toronto should be added because there is no Canadian city on this list and at the very least, would add Toronto since it is the powerhouse of the Canadian economy. I would also be interested in knowing what the significance of Bogota, Brussels, Cape Town, Rio de Janeiro, and Tehran are to this list. Interstellarity (talk) 01:09, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Strong oppose Vienna is not only the capital of Austria but also is the city where many people from the list were born/lived/died (Beethoven, Brahms, Haydn, Mahler, Mozart, Schubert, Freud, Schrödinger, Wittgenstein), also it was one of the most important cities in Holy Roman Empire.--Reprarina (talk) 05:31, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Oppose Per Reprarina. --Toku (talk) 11:42, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Oppose Per Reprarina. --ThomasPusch (talk) 12:05, 28 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Oppose Per Reprarina. -Theklan (talk) 23:35, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Oppose: Vienna and Austria are actually important for different reasons. While Austria has mostly historical importance as the core of the eponymous empire that was a major player in the European politics for well over a century, Vienna has been (and, I daresay, stays) one of the foremost cultural capitals of the world. As a Canadian, I would certainly like to see Toronto included, but objectively it is of less economic importance than some U.S. cities that haven't actually made it to the list. --Deinocheirus (talk) 20:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Numbers adjusted[edit]

Hello! It have been a good ride, but the numbers in every section are now right. For a while, I had 1001 items and I was turning crazy. Theklan (talk) 14:20, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Added Kyoto, Japan and Taipei, Taiwan[edit]

Both Kyoto in Japan and Taipei in Taiwan are important historical cities in Asia. can't you add? Amkjmltpsjmej (talk) 11:40, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What do you propose to remove to make place? I also think they do not have so much importance outside their respective countries. — Yerpo Eh? 16:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles that are popular in big wikis[edit]

I generated a list of articles that are popular in 10 big wikis, the list is based in the pageviews and consider all articles that have number of pageviews above the average in 10 wikis. Maybe it can help in some way to choose the articles that every Wikipedia should have. Danilo.mac talk 20:59, 14 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It seems like many articles on that list are of topics that have gained a lot of media attraction the last months. I think this list should contain topics that remain relevant over the years. Boivie (talk) 07:31, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree, it should be used as a separate list. — Yerpo Eh? 10:43, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notable women missed, see HPI by Pantheon.World[edit]

Dear wikimedians, out of +200 people the only women we list are: (please correct me if I something missed) Beauvoir, Simone de; Elizabeth I; Joan of Arc; Frida Kahlo; Kulthum, Umm; Dietrich, Marlene; Monroe, Marilyn; Austen, Jane. So we list just 8 women among 200 all biographies. This inspired me to show for you th top 30 the most memorable according to HPI which was made by pantheon.world. Some which we list (for example Dietrich is not among top 30 most memorable by HPI because of this alghoritm is quite conservative against recenrism), if we have so few women in comprasion to men, then I beleve some of them or many of them (depend what quota for biographies we would choose) could be candidate for the list.

https://pantheon.world/explore/rankings?show=people&years=-3501,2023&gender=F

  1. en:Mary, mother of Jesus - 91.17 HPI index as of 2022
  2. en:Marie Curie - 90.71 HPI as of 2022
  3. en:Elizabeth II - 90.46 HPI as of 2022
  4. en:Cleopatra - 89.95 HPI as of 2022
  5. en:Joan of Arc - 89.59 HPI as of 2022
  6. en:Elizabeth I of England - 87.64 HPI as of 2022
  7. en:Frida Kahlo - 86.54 HPI as of 2022
  8. en:Hurrem Sultan - 85.98 HPI as of 2022
  9. en:Queen Victoria - 85.80 HPI as of 2022
  10. en:Nefertiti - 85.45 HPI as of 2022
  11. en:Marie Antoinette - 85.12 HPI as of 2022
  12. en:Marilyn Monroe - 85.04 HPI as of 2022
  13. en:Grace Kelly - 84.60 HPI as of 2022
  14. en:Maria Theresa - 84.31 HPI as of 2022
  15. en:Angela Merkel - 83.94 HPI as of 2022
  16. en:Agatha Christie - 83.91 HPI as of 2022
  17. en:Catherine the Great - 83.49 HPI as of 2022
  18. en:Anne Frank - 83.42 HPI as of 2022
  19. en:Empress Elisabeth of Austria 83.26 HPI as of 2022
  20. en:Margaret Thatcher 83.20 HPI as of 2022
  21. en:Mary I of England 82.97 HPI as of 2022
  22. en:Hillary Clinton 82.95 HPI as of 2022
  23. en:Florence Nightingale 82.36 HPI as of 2022
  24. en:Kösem Sultan 82.27 HPI as of 2022
  25. en:Coco Chanel 82.18 HPI as of 2022
  26. en:Hypatia 81.91 HPI as of 2022
  27. en:Anne Boleyn 81.86 HPI as of 2022
  28. en:Édith Piaf 81.76 HPI as of 2022
  29. en:Saint Barbara 81.68 HPI as of 2022
  30. en:Aretha Franklin 81.57 HPI as of 2022


Apart from the top 30, there is one woman which could be interesing candidate but s not listed: Sun Tzu. The "most memorable according to HPI" woman from east worl is ranked here as 46-th with 80.47 HPI index, it is weak i comprasion to west women but very strong resjult if we for example take into account that Wikipedia is blocked in China and Chinese Wu Zeiten (which according to some sources [1] is wealthiest woman ever) is ranked 121-th.

How many women we could have? I believe we could have at least 15. According to PAntheon.World the most notable missed woman is Mary, Mother of Jesus as you clearly see.

I had also o my mind to create list of listed men with weakest HPI but will try start analyse it bit later when I receive bit more time. Best and warmest regards Dawid2009 (talk) 05:49, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sun Tzu is male. When using data, please consider carefully whether the data is reliable.--Opqr (talk) 23:30, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Of these 30, Nightingale is the only new person we need to add to the list. However, Nightingale is neither a scientist nor a politician, so I don't know where to put her on the list.--Opqr (talk) 23:49, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We also already have en:Rosa Luxemburg and en:Marie Curie. I see in the list several figures of a comparable scale to those already in the list, but they are objectively few. Most of the female political figures are known thanks to their association with even more famous men (Nefertiti, Anne Boleyn, Roxelana, Marie Antoinette, Empress Sisi, Grace Kelly, Hillary Clinton) or are rather ordinary politicians whose gender is their only difference from literally hundreds of others (Merkel, Elizabeth II, Mary Tudor). We also don't have ordinary saints in the list (note that there are no apostles or evangelists, neither Solomon or David), so there is no need to include Mary or St. Barbara. Hypatia is most known by her violent death, as opposed to the scientists on the current list who are included due to their important contributions to the sciences. So maybe we can talk Margaret Thatcher - but note that neither Reagan nor Gorbachev made the cut, and she isn't more prominent than them. Maybe we can talk Catherine the Great or Maria Theresa - but note that Friedrich the Great didn't make the cut, and the scale is once again the same. Maybe we can talk Agatha Christie - but without Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Edgar Poe or Georges Simenon on the list it would be very hard to argue for her inclusion. I agree with Opqr that Florence Nightingale's contribution is unique, and I can also see some potential for Coco Chanel, but this is all. And don't forget that adding somebody to the list means excluding somebody else, so you have to come with a good reason why any of the candidates is better than somebody already on the list. --Deinocheirus (talk) 14:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Modern figures like Hillary Clinton and Angela Merkel should not be included here. It would be better, then, to include someone whose elevated encyclpedic value has stood the test of time. One such person could be Mary Wollstonecraft, who can be considered a forerunner of Simone de Beauvoir in a certain sense, or perhaps even more foundational. Reprarina (talk) 01:38, 3 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I certainly think Cleopatra is more vital than Kwame Nkrumah and Umar (Aren't either Abu Bakr or Ali both a no-brainer over Umar? I am not Muslim, so I am not sure). I also think Catherine the Great is a far better choice than Peter the Great -- she has over three times the page views on English Wikipedia than him. There are probably more swaps that could be made; I agree 8/200 is not accurate of women's contributions to history and society. LightProof1995 (talk) 01:54, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Remove Venezuela, Add Colombia[edit]

Colombia has a much higher population and GDP than Venezuela. Interstellarity (talk) 01:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support[edit]

  1. per nom LightProof1995 (talk) 01:55, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Spiritual Proposals[edit]

Hey everyone, I have some spiritual proposals. I hope we can reach consensus on them. I searched the archives for these terms, and only found minor discussion, with no formal proposals.

Add Reincarnation, Remove Yoga[edit]

The Indian religions: Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism, are all known for their belief in reincarnation (Sikhism's interpretation is debated). However, reincarnation is also seen in the belief systems of the Druze, Kabballah Jews, Gnostics, Ghulats, Inuit, Yoruba, Spiritists, Wiccans, Scientologists, Yazidis, and in the metempsychosis of the Ancient Greeks. Yoga is a Hindu/Buddhist/Jain spiritual practice, introduced to the West as a form of exercise. So, its popularity isn't really as spiritual or as pervasive in cultures worldwide as the belief in reincarnation.

In addition, there were also systems of reincarnation within Christian heresies such as Catharism. Best regards, --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 08:51, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support[edit]

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 01:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  2. Support Support Per nom. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 14:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  3. Support Support Per nom. --Toku (talk) 14:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  4. Support Support --Ideophagous (talk) 16:29, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  5. Support Support Per nom. --Algovia (talk) 09:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Neutral[edit]

  1. Neutral Neutre I don't think yoga is that important. However, I don't think a concept as common and mundane as reincarnation is important enough to be on this list.--Opqr (talk) 11:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Add Shinto, Remove Zen[edit]

Buddhism has three main schools: Mahayana, Theravada, and Vajrayana. Zen is a sect of the Mahayana school. To me, it doesn't make sense to Zen over Mahayana, as Mahayana is more broad. Zen does have more page views, but that may be because it is common in Japan.

Shinto is the ancient Japanese religion that eventually merged with Buddhism. It has received over twice the views on English Wikipedia in the past 30 days than Zen.

Support[edit]

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 01:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  2. Support Support This opinion is certainly correct. Shinto, one of Japan's two major religions and with 100 million followers, is far more important than Zen Buddhism, which is just a branch of Mahayana Buddhism. Japan is a typical syncretist country, with most people believing in Buddhism and Shinto at the same time. However, there is no doubt that Shinto is a pillar of Japanese culture.--Opqr (talk) 11:36, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  3. Support Support Per nom. --Toku (talk) 14:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Neutral[edit]

  1. Neutral Neutre Maybe, "syncretism" should be better ? Shinto is included in this article but it's also an important mechanism to explain the formation of most religions. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 14:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Add Animism, Remove Fundamentalism[edit]

Animism is a term coined by anthropologists to describe the basic spiritual beliefs of indigenous cultures. This to me seems more "fundamental" than Fundamentalism, the theory of following religious texts literally.

Support[edit]

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 01:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  2. Support Support Per nom. --Nicolas Eynaud (talk) 13:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  3. Support Support Per nom. --Toku (talk) 14:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose[edit]

  1. Oppose Oppose Fundamentalism is not religiously important. But fundamentalism is politically important. The spread of fundamentalism has caused widespread political turmoil and religious intolerance in both Christian and Muslim countries. Fundamentalism is a very important keyword to explain the current chaos in the world.--Opqr (talk) 11:48, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  2. Oppose Oppose per Opqr.--Ideophagous (talk) 16:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discussion[edit]

If we remove both Zen and Yoga, there will be no more "Spiritual practices". I think Meditation is vital, but I'm not sure what to propose to swap out. LightProof1995 (talk) 01:33, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I don't think "Spiritual practices" are important at all, so it's perfectly fine to remove them all from this list.--Opqr (talk) 12:01, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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