Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2018-20/2019 Community Conversations/Capacity Building

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Latest comment: 4 years ago by Cornelius Kibelka (WMDE) in topic Wikimedia Deutschland staff perspective

Area of inquiry[edit]


I was misled by the use of the word “equity”. In Spanish it has two translations. Equidad (something like giving an equal part to every one) and Capital/Recursos propios (what a company or a person owns less what it owes, more or less). I understand that Wikipedia has equity knowledge meaning that knowledge has a value. Because Knowledge is an asset that can be used and that is difficult to find, it’s scarce, it has to be produced. And while Wikimedia is actively producing more and more usable knowledge, other traditional sources (e.g. Encyclopedia Britannica, Espasa, Gran Enciclopèdia Catalana) have followed the way of the dinosaurs. It’ s not a victory to celebrate but a reality to worry about or at least to treat with due consideration. We are no longer a small player on a big game, we are among the owners of the stadium. B25es (talk) 19:06, 4 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

So you mean, that we should be aware of it and do not play with it like children play with the fire? Juandev (talk) 00:55, 24 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Current situation[edit]

Collaboraton wanted[edit]

Chapters should learn from each other. The yearly training session for Chapter boards members should be continued. Also local board member training should be possible. Geert Van Pamel (WMBE) (talk) 16:41, 25 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

And does it work now? Does the chapters learn from each other or no? What I see in my society is, that people and groups does not want to learn from each other. Juandev (talk) 00:57, 24 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Why this scope[edit]

Key questions of the Working Group to community members[edit]

Currently, the Working Group Capacity Building is gathering input, knowledge and experience from in- and outside the movement. Following are our working group's specific questions to members of the Wikimedia communities. Please answer here. (These questions will also be part of a community survey with questions from all working groups to be issued soon.)

What are the capacity building needs of movement stakeholders and their organizations? In other words, how can people and organizations be best supported so they can do their work and reach their goals?[edit]

  • Sometimes we know, what we need, but we dont have funding. So having a possibility to request funds for traing would help. Also if people, who knows each other from online work meets each other and work together, they can learn from each other good things and it persists. Suprisingly WMF does not have finacial support for traveling to Wiki events. Juandev (talk) 01:14, 24 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

What capacity building efforts already exist within any part of the Movement? Especially tell us about local ones we may not know about![edit]

  • In my community people does not want to learn much, does not want to change. But what works is when they copy come of our methods which looks to be easy for them. For example. We organise Wikiexpeditions - more day group photo walks. And we have a specific methodologies to work with bunch of files. While some people want to do it their way and they are continuously failing, other participants copy the methods we use and they learn new effective things. Juandev (talk) 01:14, 24 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Which capacity building formats and methods have worked and which ones have not?[edit]

  • Basically it can work almost everything if the person or group wants. If they doesnt want, its a problem. Years ago the local chapter was undergoing the training done by other chapter. It seem to me, the majority of the participants, where not interesting so they havent learnt it. So there are two groups. Those who want to learn (this seems to me much smaller) and those who dont want to learn. The second one, learns only when there is a barrier, when they must - the problem is, that in Wikimedia there are almost no barriers. Juandev (talk) 01:14, 24 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

How much/what capacity building should occur locally, regionally and thematically, and how much/what should be organized and provided centrally?[edit]

  • As we are not a centere oriented movment, I am not in favor of central CB, but some basic training could be provided that way. Basically every part of our movment have different needs in CB so these need should be targeted first. And this could be done just locally. Juandev (talk) 01:14, 24 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Anything else you would like to share with the capacity building working group?[edit]

  • I have pointed it above two times. And it is the situation, when people are not motivated to learn something new. With staff it is easier, because sometimes they have negative motivation, but with community volunteers and members the beggist task is to find a motivation. Juandev (talk) 01:14, 24 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Please approve crowdfunding wishlist project[edit]

Dear Capacity Building working group, please approve Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Archive/Assist Wikimedians with crowdfunding for Foundation support. Thank you in advance for your kind help with the effort. James Salsman (talk) 06:33, 24 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Competitive pay[edit]

Please approve remaining competitive with other top-ten website compensation by paying San Francisco-livable salaries for managers, staff, interns, contractors, and vendors at all levels. James Salsman (talk) 14:19, 24 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Participation with a little experience[edit]

From my experience it is happening and sometimes there is a possibility to train those, who are not good in something. But the trouble comes, when day dont want to be trained.Juandev (talk) 00:50, 24 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Prevent loss of the srongest Wikimedia generation[edit]

There has been a study that strongest Wikimedia generation is that which have born around 2007. Capacity building may protect this generation from burn out or other loss.Juandev (talk) 00:53, 24 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Input and Feedback from Wikimedia Österreich[edit]

This is feedback from WMAT's expert group for international affairs, the input was also discussed with our board and community.

  • The current structures and bodies put a heavy emphasis on the due diligence side that the WMF needs to justify how they spend funds in the first place. This necessity leads to a lot of paperwork and a funding model that values the justification of spending money more than the time of the volunteers and paid staff involved in writing this documentation in the first place. Effective capacity building surely should not work like that. The future relationship between the body that supplies resources (money, staff or otherwise) and the entities establishing themselves should take into account that we are all in this together. That we have the luxury of funding ambitious and unorthodox programs and ideas. And that we have the means to keep ourselves honest and learn from those mistakes in order to improve ourselves and the movement as a whole by sharing those experiences with each other.
  • How do we make capacity building inclusive and equitable?
    • Peer to Peer learning in marginalised groups, instead of people from the outside stepping in
    • Support efforts for self-empowerment, highlight people from marginalised groups with the skills and passion to help others
    • Be critical of oneself and open up and learn from other groups. Promote self-assessment, be honest instead of trying to present a perfect facade on an international level -> Create channels where affiliates can ask for help without making it public if they do not wish to.

--Wikimedia Österreich (talk) 15:13, 29 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Wikimedia Deutschland staff perspective[edit]

''Over the last weeks WMDE's Strategy Liaisons, Moritz Rahm and Cornelius Kibelka, have conducted interviews with 13 experts among our staff on the themes of the working groups. Mostly, the qualitative interviews were done with groups of 2 or 3 people, the texts provided are summaries of the statements.

If you have any questions, please let us know. Best regards, --Cornelius Kibelka (WMDE) (talk) 14:14, 2 July 2019 (UTC)Reply