Talk:UNESCO Challenge/Participants

Added images

Can I claim points after I add images on other language Wikipedia articles?--Porbóllett (talk) 15:45, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, as long as the edits are considered positive by the local Wikipedia community. Best, John Andersson (WMSE) (talk) 04:46, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Special prize on Sweden

For the special prize on World heritage sites in Sweden, is writing/editing in any language considered valid? If so, do we need to do anything else than adding the page here under our names as edit? Because I translated a World heritage sites in Sweden to Bengali and also added it here under my name. It accumulated 21 points, but the book prize icon is not added beside it. Also newer entries have got the icon. Please do let me know if I am missing anything. Thanks a lot. --Sumitsurai (talk) 16:15, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

I think Ainali is responsible for adding those marks, so let's see what he says? Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 16:48, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I was at a GLAM conference last week. I'll update the page today. Ainali (talk) 06:42, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Former world heritage sites

Since we are encouraged to focus on the World Heritage in Danger, I plan to translate en:Arabian Oryx Sanctuary to German. This site is so much in dangr that it is not a World Heritage Site any longer. Will this count for the challenge? --Bjs (talk) 17:30, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, only sites that still are officially World Heritage Sites are included in the contest. Interesting article though! John Andersson (WMSE) (talk) 18:46, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

What a pity, de:Wildschutzgebiet der Arabischen Oryx would have been such a nice contribution to this contest (and much more than only a translation). At least a gain for German wikipedia ;-) --Bjs (talk)

Still awesome and valuable work :-). John Andersson (WMSE) (talk) 19:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

New articles

The rules say (underscore added):

• +5 points for each new translation of an article in any language.

An example is given :

• If you translate an article into Turkish and it is 4,100 bytes long, you get 9 points: 5 points for starting a new article and 4 for its extension.

New articles, however, may also be started without translating an existing one. Will they also receive the 5 points? --Bjs (talk) 17:30, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, they will get the same point. John Andersson (WMSE) (talk) 18:39, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Section edit

Why is it not possible to edit a section on the Participants page. Do I have to edit the entire page to add an article to my user name? --Bjs (talk) 17:32, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

It is because of the template we use. We will have a look if we can fix it somehow, but help is much appreciated. John Andersson (WMSE) (talk) 18:43, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

I can fix it (see User:André Costa (WMSE)/UC) but to not look crap I would also need to do something about the log. Now since it doesn't seem to work to make the log collapsible while in the menu, and ther has been complaints about how it looks on other pages, this probably means having it outside of the template on the participants page and as just a link on the other pages. /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 20:43, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Also thought something similar, see here, this way we can also remove Log from sidebar.--Liridon (talk) 20:48, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Similar to my latest one =). OK I'll push this update through and change the data/reporting entry in the menu to point to the Log. /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 21:01, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Done. I also made the log full width when viewed on the log page itself. /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 21:08, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Nice --Liridon (talk) 21:30, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for making this possible. --Bjs (talk) 08:34, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Translation of this page

I translated this page into German. However, the List of Participants on the German page finishes with No. 68 (Sinuhe20). I now checked other translation, there appears to be the same problem. What is wrong there? --Bjs (talk) 19:04, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Now it works, perhaps a cache problem? --Bjs (talk) 14:13, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

But the list can only be edited from the English version. --Bjs (talk) 14:19, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm guessing that caching might be an issue in general for the translated pages. That the edit links disappear on the translated page is expected but unfortunate. These pages are after all not normal wikipages and you cannot edit them as such. I'm a bit unsure about how to best go about fixing this. While you could quite easily add an edit link to the "list of participants" header doing so for each of the users would not be manageable, and there is nothing we could do for the users looking for the edit tab at the top of the page. The easiest might be to simply explain in the instructions that to add yourself to the list (or edit it) you need to go via the English page. /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 08:44, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

23.59

Did you allow making changes after 23.59 CEST +2? Did not the contest complete? Thecatcherintherye (talk) 01:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

If the edits in the articles are done after 23.59 no points will be rewarded. I will go through the contributions and adjust accordingly. Best, John Andersson (WMSE) (talk) 06:39, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Quality first.

Hello, thank you for this challenge. I have found a motivation to work on articles listed on my notes a long time ago. It is now over and I would like to share an observation with all.
I have noticed that many edits are made of a few bytes of content and 8, 10, 12 or more images (many images with meaningless caption or no caption at all). I am not able to read the content of many of these edits but I could easily check that they have been added as mere textual translation of anglophone pages without the necessary work on citations. It is unfortunate that this challenge has fostered these quantity only oriented edits. --ContributorQ (talk) 10:51, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

yes dear. This is the problem of all edit a thon challenges. There is a scope that we can work on it an better them. Also it is better to have something than nothing. If we are so much strict on quality the quantity is very less. If we go for quantity the quality is very poor. So be in a perfect balance of both is a good strategy. Also we can improve the quality by further edit. There is a space for another challenge. Like a challenge to improve the quality of listed articles or add caption for images and balance article by adding or removing images etc. The possibilities are limitless. Only thing is we want to try them. Happy editing :) --Ranjithsiji (talk) 14:00, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions! Yes, I noticed it as well. I posted about the need to chose images carefully and to write captions both in the log on the 4 May and directly to a handful of participants that were focusing more on quantity. Do you have a suggestion what more we could have done? However, these type of contributions seem to be a small part of the overall work done by the participants. Would you agree?

In any case, to hopefully improve quality I added some bonus points and a special prize to the Connected Open Heritage Challenge that we are planning to organize in July. Feedback is much appreciated. Best, John Andersson (WMSE) (talk) 23:19, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

I raised the same issue before, and is difficult to control the quality in different languages of Wikipedia. Perhaps it would be good for every language to have a local organizer (an administrator or experienced Wikipedian) same as Wikipedia Asian Month; otherwise, a Wikipedian on a small wiki can create articles and list dozens of photos, and you cant evaluate quality of that contribution if you do not know that language. Wikipedia Asian Month also use this tool for assessment, contact with the organizers/developers, maybe by July they can make a version suitable for the Connected Open Heritage Challenge.--Liridon (talk) 09:14, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

For text, it is indeed difficult to control the quality if you don't know the language (and still a lot of work if you do). For images, however, a point may only be given if a proper caption is added, and the total number of points given for images in an article may be limited to e.g. 3 or 5 in order to avoid image spamming and undue over-rating of illustrated lists. --Bjs (talk) 09:48, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I like the idea! But, I am thinking about FA articles and lists, and then a limit to 3-5 sounds like a low number. But perhaps 10? Would be interesting to know the average amount of mages in FA articles. John Andersson (WMSE) (talk) 06:55, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for your comment. I hope that you are right emphasizing that quantity only oriented edits are the minority of all edits. Writing up a Wikipedia article or a significant contribution to an article is about collecting, reading, evaluating and summarizing available sources. So, for me, an "interwiki" article to translate it not a mere text to translate but a documentary source to exploit. From an editor point of view, a Wikipedia article should be worth by its content and (most important) the sources it provides to support it, not just the content by itself.
As a suggestion: I propose that the challenge rewards good and featured articles only, which means it should be run on a longer time (3, 4, 6 months, why not a year ?). One can even imagine that you and your team could provide not only images but also sources in various languages before and during the time of the challenge. --ContributorQ (talk) 10:23, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

An interesting idea. I agree with what you write about quality. I focused a large part of my time to write FA articles myself on svwp.

However, I also think that short contributions are valuable and can be of high quality. After all, I think we agree that brief doesn't equal low quality.

In general keeping the Challenges open to a wide variety of contributions make them more interesting in my opinion. It is different groups of contributors that prefer to write extensively vs. briefly and both are valuable. We also want the images and the high quality texts, that have been released, to be used as much as possible. Then our partners are likely to release more great material. In combination with Bjs' suggestion above about limitations in images I think we can get the best of two worlds.

I am thinking that it could be fun to add a sequel (e.g. first UNESCO Challenge 2018 and then UNESCO Challenge 2018 FA) where participants can nominate one of the articles they contributed to in the first part and expand it for the coming three months or so. Just a thought.

The support with sources is great and I will look into the possibilities for next year. Best, John Andersson (WMSE) (talk) 06:55, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

List and tables of UNESCO World Heritage sites

People created some article like list of UNESCO World Heritage sites . Usually they got very large number of images due to big tables and got big points . Technically they are articles about UNESCO World Heritage sites. But it is not describing about a Site. What is the rule of these kind of long lists and tables. Will it considered or avoided ? --Ranjithsiji (talk) 14:04, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Hey Ranjithsiji, also another Wikipedian asked about it (Talk:UNESCO_Challenge#Article_eligible.3F) in start of challenge, after this confirmation it was clear that they were allowed. I have created some lists, again I have the same opinion as you do for lists, but we had to discuss this at the beginning of the challenge.--Liridon (talk) 14:52, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Dear Liridon, Thanks for the notification of that discussion. I concentrated on creating articles rather than lists because articles make more sense. The lists, we can maintain it on templates. Also they take more time to load due to so much images. --Ranjithsiji (talk) 15:39, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Invitation to Met Open Access Artworks Challenge (15 May - 30 June)

We'd like to invite UNESCO participants to join a new challenge on the same model, the Met Open Access Artworks Challenge. You can contribute by illustrating with images using some of the 375k photos now under CC0, starting or improving articles (try our new Mbabel tool!), or creating translations. You can sign up here: Met Open Access Artworks Challenge/Participants.--Pharos (talk) 18:53, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

No price sent yet

Hi!

I've succeded to this challange and even had mails to sent my adress. Unfortunatly untill now no price has been sent to me. Did you receive yours?--BamLifa (talk) 17:17, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

I think it just takes some time to send all the prizes, as there were many participants (and many who earned a prize). For example I got my Special prize on this week, and I live in Sweden's neigbourd country. And I see you live far away from Sweden so it takes a few more days. Stryn (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2017 (UTC)