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أهلا Seth Finkelstein ، ومرحبا بك في ويكيميديا ميتا ويكي! يعمل هذا الموقع على تنسيق ومناقشة كل مشاريع ويكيميديا. ربما سيكون مفيدا لك مطالعة صفحة السياسات هنا. إذا كنت مهتما بأمور الترجمة، راجع ميتا:بابلون. يمكنك أيضا ترك ملاحظة في ميتا:بابل (من فضلك راجع أولا التعليمات هناك قبل ترك الملاحظة). إذا أردت الاستفسار عن شئ ، لا تتردد في سؤالي في صفحة نقاشي. تمتع بالتحرير هنا!

Hola Seth Finkelstein! Benvingut a la Meta-Wiki de la Fundació Wikimedia! Aquest lloc està fet per a coordinar i discutir tots els projectes de la Fundació Wikimedia. Potser us serà útil llegir la nostra pàgina de polítiques (en anglès). Si us interessen les traduccions, visiteu Meta:Babylon. També podeu deixar un missatge a Meta:Babel o al Meta:Metapub (però abans de fer-ho, llegiu les instruccions situades al principi de la pàgina). No dubteu en preguntar si teniu qualsevol dubte. Si cal ho podeu fer en la meva pàgina de discussió. Bona sort!

Vítejte, uživateli Seth Finkelstein, a vítejte na Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Tento server je určen pro spolupráci a diskusím ke všem projektům nadace Wikimedia. Možná si budete chtít přečíst naše pravidla. Pokud chcete spolupracovat na překladech, navštivte Meta:Babylon. Také můžete přidat příspěvek na Meta:Babel či Meta:Metapub (nejdříve si přečtěte pokyny na začátku těchto stránek). V případě potřeby se neváhejte zeptat se na mé diskusní stránce. Hodně štěstí!

Hallo Seth Finkelstein, und Willkommen bei Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Diese Webseite dient der Koordination und Diskussion aller Wikimedia-Projekte. Vielleicht findest Du es nützlich, unsere Regelseite zu lesen. Sofern Du daran interessiert bist etwas zu übersetzen, besuche Meta:Babylon. Du kannst auch eine Notiz auf Meta:Babel oder Meta:Metapub hinterlassen (bitte lies die Anleitung am Anfang der Seiten, bevor Du etwas schreibst). Wenn Du möchtest, kannst Du mir auch auf meiner Diskussionseite Fragen stellen. Fröhliches Bearbeiten wünscht

ވިކިމީޑިޔާގެ މީޓާ-ވިކީ އަށް މަރުހަބާ! މިވެބްސައިޓަކީ ވިކިމީޑިޔާގެ ހުރިހާ މަޝްރޫޢުތަކާއި ބެހޭގޮތުން ވާހަކަތައް ދެކެވި އެ މަޝްރޫޢެއް ހިންގައި ހަދާ ވެބް ސައިޓެވެ. އަޅުގަނޑުމެންގެ ޤަވާއިދުތައް ފުރަތަމަ ވިދާޅުވުމަކީ މުހިންމު ކަމެއް ކަމުގައި ދެކެމެވެ. ތަރުޖަމާކުރާ ހިތްޕުޅުވެވަޑައިގަންނަވާ ނަމަ މީޓާ:ބެބިލޯން އަށް ވަޑައިގަންނަވާށެވެ. އަދި ހަމަ އެހެންމެ މިކަމާއި ބެހޭ ލިޔުމެއް މީޓާ:ބޭބެލް ގައި ލިޔުއްވަވާށެވެ. (އެހެންނަމަވެސް އެޞަފްޙާގައި އެއްވެސް އެއްޗެއް އިތުރު ކުރެއްވުމުގެ ކުރިން އެ ޞަފްހާގެ މަތީގައިވާ ޢިބާރާތް ވިދާޅުވެލައްވާށެވެ.) މިއާއި މުދު ހިތްހަމަޖެހިވަޑައިގަންނަވާ ނަމަ އިތުރު އެހީ އަށް އެދުމަށް މި ޞަފްހާ ގައި އެދުމަށް ފަސްޖެހި ވަޑައި ނުގަންނަވާށެވެ. އުނިއިތުރު ގެނައުމުގައި އުފާވެރި ވަގުތުކޮޅެއް ހޭދަ ކޮށްލައްވާށެވެ!!

Hello Seth Finkelstein, and welcome to the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! This website is for coordinating and discussing all Wikimedia projects. You may find it useful to read our policy page. If you are interested in doing translations, visit Meta:Babylon. You can also leave a note on Meta:Babel or Meta:Metapub (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). If you would like, feel free to ask me questions on my talk page. Happy editing!

¡Hola Seth Finkelstein! ¡Bienvenido a la Meta-Wiki de la Fundación Wikimedia! Este sitio es para coordinar y discutir todos los proyectos de la Fundación Wikimedia. Tal vez le sea útil leer nuestra página de políticas (en inglés). Si le interesan las traducciones, visite Meta:Babylon. También puede dejar un mensaje en Meta:Babel o Meta:Metapub (pero antes de hacerlo, por favor lea las instrucciones situadas en lo alto de la página). No dude en preguntar si tiene cualquiera duda, o pregunte en mi página de discusión. ¡Buena suerte!

سلام Seth Finkelstein ، به ويكی مديا متاويكیخوش آمدید! این وبگاه برای بحث و هماهنگ کردن ويكي مديا است. برای شما مفید است که اول صفحه سیاست های اینجا را بخوانید. اگر شما علاقمند به ترجمه هستید به صفحه متا:بابیلون سر بزنید. همچنین اگر یادداشتی داشتید می توانیید در متا:بابل یادداشت خود را بگذارید (قبل از نوشتن یادداشت به توضیحات موجود در صفحه توجه کنید.). اگر سوالی داشتید می توانید در صفحه بحث. سوال خود را بپرسید و کمک بخواهید!

Hei Seth Finkelstein, ja tervetuloa Wikimedian Meta-Wikiin! Tämä nettisivusto on kaikkien Wikimedia-säätiön projektien koordinointia ja keskustelua varten. Saattaa olla hyödyllistä lukea käytäntömme. Jos olet kiinnostunut käännöksistä, käy Meta:Babylon-sivulla. Voit myöskin jättää huomautuksen Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub -sivulle (ole hyvä ja lue ohjeet sivun yläosassa ennenkuin kirjoitat sinne). Jos haluat, saat vapaasti kysyä minulta kysymyksiä keskustelusivullani. Iloisia muokkaushetkiä!

Bonjour Seth Finkelstein, et bienvenue sur le Meta-Wiki de Wikimédia ! Ce site a pour but de coordonner et discuter de l’ensemble des projets Wikimédia. Il vous sera utile de consulter notre page sur les règles de Wikimédia. Si vous êtes intéressé par des projets de traduction, visitez Meta:Babylon. Vous pouvez aussi laisser un message sur Meta:Babel ou Meta:Metapub (mais veuillez d’abord lire les instructions en haut de cette page avant d’y poster votre message). Si vous le voulez, vous pouvez me poser vos questions sur ma page de discussion. À bientôt !

Ola Seth Finkelstein! Benvido a Meta-Wiki, da Fundación Wikimedia! Este sitio é para coordinar e discutir sobre calquera dos proxectos da Fundación Wikimedia. Tavez lle sexa útil ler a nosa páxina de políticas (en inglés). Se lle interesan as traducións, visite Meta:Babylon. Tamén pode deixar unha mensaxe en Meta:Babel ou en Meta:Metapub (pero antes de facelo, por favor lea as instrucións situadas no alto da páxina). Non dubide en preguntar se ten calquera dúbida, ou pregunte na miña páxina de conversa. Boa sorte!

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היי Seth Finkelstein, וברוך בואך ל- ויקימדיה מטא-ויקי! אתר זה נועד בכדי לתאם פעולות ולדון בפרויקטים של וויקימדיה. יש להניח שדפי המדיניות שלנו יהיו שימושיים עבורך. אם הנך מעוניין לבצע עבודות תרגום, בקר ב-Meta:Babylon. תוכל גם להשאיר הערה ב-Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub, (אנא קרא את ההוראות בראש הדף לפני כתיבה שם). אם תרצה, הרגש חופשי לרשום לי שאלות בדף השיחה שלי. עריכה נעימה!

Pozdrav Seth Finkelstein, i dobro došli na na Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Ova stranica služi za koordinaciju i raspravljanje oko Wikimedijinih projekata. Vjerojatno će Vam biti korisno pročitati naše stranice vezane za politiku rada. Ako ste zainteresirani za prevođenje, posjetite Meta:Babylon. Možete također ostaviti poruku na stranicama Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub (molimo pročitajte upute na vrhu te stranice prije nego što pošaljete tamo svoj komentar). Ako imate neko pitanje, možete ga postaviti na mojoj stranici za razgovor. Sretno uređivanje!

Helló Seth Finkelstein, és üdv a Wikimedia Meta-Wikijén! Ez a weboldal az összes Wikimedia projektet érintő ügyek megtárgyalására és koordinálására szolgál. Hasznosnak találhatod elolvasni az irányelveinket (angolul). Ha szeretnél fordításokat végezni, látogasd meg a Meta:Babylon-t, vagy a Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub, oldalon hagyhatsz üzenetet (mielőtt ide írsz kérlek olvasd el a lap tetején található utasításokat). Ha szeretnél, nyugodtan kérdezz tőlem a vitalapomon. Jó szerkesztést és tartalmas szórakozást! Jó szerkesztést és tartalmas szórakozást!

Halló Seth Finkelstein, vertu velkomin(n) á Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Þessi síða er til að ræða saman um öll Wikimedia-verkefni og samhæfa þau. Kannski finnst þér gagnlegt að lesa stefnusíðuna. Hafir þú áhuga á þýðingum er Meta:Babylon rétti staðurinn. Þú mátt skrifast á við okkur í Meta:Babel eða Meta:Metapub (vinsamlegast lestu notkunarreglurnar áður en þú breytir síðunni). Hikaðu ekki við að hafa samband við mig á spjallsíðu minni ef þú hefur einhverjar spurningar. Gangi þér vel!

Halo Seth Finkelstein, dan selamat datang di Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Situs web ini berperan sebagai tempat koordinasi dan diskusi mengenai seluruh proyek-proyek Wikimedia. Mungkin akan bermanfaat bagi Anda untuk membaca halaman kebijakan kami. Jika Anda tertarik untuk melakukan penerjemahan, kunjungi Meta:Babylon. Anda juga dapat meninggalkan pesan di Meta:Babel atau Meta:Metapub (bacalah petunjuk di bagian atas halaman tersebut sebelum meninggalkan pesan di sana). Jika perlu, Anda dapat bertanya kepada saya di halaman pembicaraan (talk page) saya. Selamat menyunting!

Ciao Seth Finkelstein! Benvenuto sulla Meta-Wiki della Wikimedia Foundation! Questo sito serve a coordinare e discutere di tutti i progetti della Wikimedia Foundation. Potrebbe esserti utile leggere le nostre policy (in inglese). Se sei interessato a fare traduzioni, visita Meta:Babylon. Puoi anche lasciare un messaggio su Meta:Babel o Meta:Metapub (ma per favore, leggi le istruzioni che si trovano all'inizio della pagina prima di scrivere). Se vuoi, puoi lasciarmi un messagio nella mia pagina di discussione. Buona fortuna!

Seth Finkelsteinさん、ウィキメディア メタ・ウィキへようこそ!このサイトは、ウィキメディアのプロジェクト間の調整や話し合いを目的としています。もしよろしければ、基本方針とガイドラインのページを是非ご一読ください。もし翻訳に興味をお持ちなら、Meta:Babylon をご覧ください。Meta:Babel, Metapub にメッセージを投稿していただくことも可能です(投稿前にページ上部の説明をお読みください)。お困りの際は、ご遠慮なく私の会話ページに質問をお寄せください。楽しくやっていきましょう。どうぞよろしくお願いします。

Seth Finkelstein님, 위키미디어 메타 위키에 회원가입하신 것을 환영합니다! 이 사이트는 모든 위키미디어 프로젝트들 간의 상호조정과 토론을 위한 공간입니다. 우리의 정책을 보면, 도움이 되실 겁니다. 만약 번역에 관심이 있으시다면, 바빌론을 방문해 보세요. 또한 바벨, 메타퍼브를 사용하실 수도 있습니다. (사용하시기 전에 각 문서의 사용설명을 먼저 읽어주세요). 만약 궁금한 것이 있으시면, 부담없이 저의 토론 문서에 질문을 올려주세요. 즐거운 편집이 되시길 바랍니다!

Hai Seth Finkelstein, dan selamat datang ke Meta-Wiki Wikimedia! Laman web ini adalah untuk mengkoordinasikan dan membincangkan segala Projek Wikimedia. Anda boleh mendapat banyak faedah dengan membaca laman polisi kami. Jika anda berminat menterjemah, silalah lawati Meta:Babylon. Anda juga boleh meninggalkan pesanan di Meta:Babel atau Meta:Metapub (sila baca panduan di atas laman yang berkenaan sebelum meninggalkan pesanan). Jika perlu, tanyalah soalan di laman perbualan saya. Selamat menyunting!

Hallo Seth Finkelstein, en welkom op de Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Deze website is voor het coördineren en bespreken van alle Wikimedia-projecten. Waarschijnlijk vind je het handig om onze beleidpagina te lezen. Als je geïnteresseerd bent in het vertalen van teksten, ga da naar Meta:Babylon. Je kunt ook een bericht achterlaten op Meta:Babel of Meta:Metapub (lees wel de instructies aan het begin van de pagina voordat je een bericht achterlaat). Als je nog vragen hebt stel ze me dan op mijn overlegpagina. Veel plezier met bewerken!

Hei Seth Finkelstein, og velkommen til Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Denne siden er til for å diskutere og samordne alle Wikimediaprosjektene. Vil du vite mer om siden, kan vår policy-side komme til nytte. Er du interessert i å hjelpe til med oversettelser, besøk Meta:Babylon. Du kan også legge igjen en beskjed på Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub (vær vennlig og les instruksjonene øverst på siden før du skriver noe der). Hvis du vil, er du velkommen til å stille spørsmål på min diskusjonsside. God redigering!

Cześć Seth Finkelstein i witaj w projekcie Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Ta strona została stworzona do koordynacji i dyskusji nad wszystkimi projektami Fundacji Wikimedia. Proszę Cię o przeczytanie naszych zasad. Jeżeli chcesz się zając tłumaczeniem stron, odwiedź Meta:Babylon. Możesz również zostawić notkę na stronie Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub, (proszę jednak, abyś najpierw przeczytał instrukcje na górze tej strony). Jeżeli będziesz potrzebował pomocy zostaw komentarz na mojej stronie dyskusji. Miłego edytowania!

Olá Seth Finkelstein! Seja bem-vindo ao Meta! Este site/sítio é dedicado à discussão e à coordenação de todos os demais projetos da Fundação Wikimedia. Talvez lhe seja útil ler a página contendo a nossa política (em inglês) antes de começar a editar. Se tiver dúvidas, sinta-se à vontade para me fazer perguntas em minha página de discussão, ou deixe uma mensagem para toda a comunidade na Babel, Meta:Metapub, a versão do Meta da Esplanada. Boa sorte!

Ciao Seth Finkelstein, şi bine aţi venit la Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Acest website este pentru coordonarea şi discuţiile tuturor proiectelor Wikimedia. Este folositor să citiţi pagina despre politica noastră.. Dacă sunteţi interesaţi de traducere, vizita-ţi Meta:Babylon. De asemenea puteţi lasa o notă pe Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub, (vă rugăm citiţi instrucţiunile de la începutul paginii înainte de a posta acolo). Dacă ai întrebări, nu ezita să mă întrebi pe pagina mea de discuţii talk page. Editare cu succes!

Здравствуйте, Seth Finkelstein, и добро пожаловать на Мета-вики фонда Викимедиа! Этот сайт предназначен для координации и обсуждения вопросов, связанных со всеми проектами фонда. Для начала предлагаю ознакомиться с правилами этого проекта. Если Вы заинтересованы в работе над переводами страниц Мета-вики и других материалов, посетите Meta:Babylon. Вы также можете обсудить различные вопросы на странице Meta:Babel или Meta:Metapub (пожалуйста, ознакомьтесь с инструкцией сверху, прежде чем писать). Если возникнут вопросы, не бойтесь задавать их мне на моей странице обсуждения. Удачи!

Tjeta Seth Finkelstein, dhe mirësevin në Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Ky vënd i rrjetës është për të koordinuar dhe diskutuar çdo projekt të Wikimediës. Mund ta gjësh të dobishme faqet e politikës sonë. Në qoftë se je duke interesuar në përkthime, vizitò Meta:Babylon. Mund të lësh një shënim në Meta:Babel ose Meta:Metapub (të lutem të lexosh përdorimet në fillim të fletës para se të postosh atje). Në qoftë se do, ndihu i/e lirë të më bsh pyetje në faqen time të diskutimit. Të auguroj një redaktim të këndshëm!

Здраво Seth Finkelstein, и добро дошли на Викимедијин мета-вики! Овај сајт служи за координацију и дискусију око Викимедијиних пројеката. Вероватно ће Вам бити корисно да прочитате наше странице везане за политику рада. Ако сте заинтересовани за превођење, посетите Meta:Babylon. Можете такође и оставити поруку на страници Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub (молимо погледајте упутства на врху те странице пре него што пошаљете свој коментар тамо). Ако имате неко питање, можете да ми поставите на мојој страници за разговор. Срећно уређивање!

Hej Seth Finkelstein, och välkommen till Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Meta är till för att diskutera och samordna alla Wikimedias projekt. Vill du veta mer om webbplatsen, kan vår policy-sida komma väl till pass. Är du intresserad av att hjälpa till med översättningar, besök Meta:Babylon. Du kan skriva diskussionsinlägg på Meta:Babel eller Meta:Metapub (läs instruktionerna överst på sidan innan du skriver något där). Om du vill, är du välkommen att ställa frågor på min diskussionssida. Lycka till med redigerandet!

வணக்கம் Seth Finkelstein, விக்கிமீடியா மேல்விக்கி! இற்கு நல்வரவு. இவ்விணையத்தளமானது கூட்டாகச் சேர்ந்து விடயங்களை விவாதிப்பதற்கென உருவாக்கப் பட்டது. விக்கித்திட்டங்கள். நீங்கள் எங்களின் பாலிசிகளையும் பாலிசி பக்கம் படித்தறியலாம். நீங்கள் மொழிபெயர்பில் ஆர்வமுடையவராகின், Meta:Babylon ஐப் பார்வையிடவும். நீங்கள் Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub இல் குறிப்பொன்றையும் விட்டுச் செல்லலாம். (பக்கத்தின் மேலேயிருக்கும் அறிவுறுத்தல்களை வாசித்தபின்னரே அங்கே செய்திகளை இடவும்). நீங்கள் விரும்பினால் எனது பக்கத்தில் செய்தியொன்றை விடவும் talk page. உங்கள் ஆக்கங்களை வரவேற்கின்றோம்!

สวัสดีครับคุณ Seth Finkelstein ยินดีต้อนรับเข้าสู่ วิกิมีเดีย เมต้าวิกิ หรือในอีกชื่อหนึ่งว่า "แม่วิกิ" ! เว็บไซต์แห่งนี้เป็นเว็บสำหรับการบริหารและอภิปรายเกี่ยวกับเรื่องโครงการต่าง ๆ ของมูลนิธิวิกิมีเดีย ก่อนอื่น เราขอแนะนำให้คุณอ่าน นโยบายของเราก่อน ซึ่งมันอาจจะมีประโยชน์ในภายหลัง ถ้าคุณสนใจเกี่ยวกับเรื่องการแปลข้อความต่าง ๆ เป็นภาษาไทย คุณสามารถไปที่ หน้าบาบิลอน ได้ คุณยังสามารถทิ้งข้อความไว้ที่ หน้าบาเบล หรือ หน้าเมต้าผับ (กรุณาอ่านกระบวนการทิ้งข้อความที่อยู่ข้างบนสุดของหน้าก่อนทิ้งข้อความ) ถ้าคุณมีคำถาม สงสัย หรือต้องการคำปรึกษา คุณสามารถถามคำถามต่าง ๆ ได้ที่ หน้าพูดคุย ซึ่งวิธีการถามคำถามในหน้าพูดคุยได้ถูกเขียนไว้ที่นี่แล้ว ท้ายสุด มีความสุขกับการแก้ไขนะครับ !

Merhaba Seth Finkelstein, ve Wikimedia Meta-Wikiye hoş geldin! Bu site bütün Wikimedia projeleri arasında koordinasyon sağlamak ve ilgili konuları tartışmak içindir. Eğer çeviriyle ilgileniyorsanız Meta:Babylon sayfasını ziyaret edebilirsiniz. Ayrıca Meta:Babel ve Meta:Metapub sayfalarına da mesaj bırakabilirsiniz (lütfen mesaj bırakmadan önce sayfanın en üstündeki yönergeleri okuyunuz). Sorularınız için kullanıcı mesaj sayfama mesaj bırakmaktan çekinmeyiniz. İyi değişiklikler.

Вітаємо Seth Finkelstein, ласкаво просимо до Wikimedia Meta-Wiki!
Цей вебсайт призначено для координації та обговорення всіх Вікімедіа (Wikimedia) проектів. Для Вашої зручності пропонуємо переглянути сторінку політик. Якщо Ви зацікавлені у здійсненні перекладів, відвідайте «Вавілон», також можете залишити запис у Meta:Babel або Meta:Metapub (будь ласка прочитайте інструкції нагорі тих сторінок, перш ніж там писати). За Вашого бажання можете задавати мені запитання на моїй сторінці обговорення. Хай щастить у редагуваннях!


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中文(简体)‎: Seth Finkelstein,你好!欢迎光临维基媒体元维基!这个网站是为协调和讨论所有维基媒体项目而设。我们的政策页可能对您有用。如果您有兴趣协助翻译工作,请参观Meta:Babylon。你可在Meta:BabelMeta:Metapub留下口讯(张贴之前请先读该页上指示)。若有问题,请在我的讨论页问我 。祝
编安!

中文(繁體)‎: Seth Finkelstein,你好!歡迎光臨維基媒體元維基!這個網站是為協調和討論所有維基媒體項目而設。我們的政策頁可能對您有用。如果您有興趣協助翻譯工作,請參觀Meta:Babylon。你可在Meta:BabelMeta:Metapub留下口訊(張貼之前請先讀該頁上指示)。若有問題,請在我的討論頁問我 。祝
編安!

Cirt 15:34, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Global bans[edit]

Please stop baiting Ottava. This is the second time that the two of you have overrun threads with arguments between the two of you. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 04:11, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I think I was making an important point in the second thread, before he started making personal attacks on me again. Please don't let all the noise generated by his various accusations obscure the signal I was trying to put forth. Seriously, I'll listen to your recommendations on the following if reasonable - how do you think I should have made the point about this being evidence for exclusion/inclusion argument likely to happen in ban discussions? I'll accept some contributory culpability for allowing a bit of personal irritation with him to show through. But I think given his repeated baiting of me, it was quite minor and understandable. -- Seth Finkelstein 04:48, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Seth is correct[edit]

I !vote in favor of WMF staff posting "Seth is correct" :-)

I named you as my example because I thought your recent responses to Esetzer were particularly pointful. I'd thought about saying something then but worried that my support might make him less likely to think about what you were saying.

So IANAWMFSM ("I am not a WMF staff member"), but let me say that I think "Seth is correct", and that even when we disagree about whether a given point is relevant or appropriate to the WMF's purposes, I think you have thought about the issues deeply and carefully. WhatamIdoing (talk) 14:25, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

To be clear, I'm not offended, I was amused and joking. Thank you for the kind words. I respect your similar dedication. -- Seth Finkelstein (talk)

Global bans policy discussion[edit]

At Requests for comment/Global bans, where you have commented in support of Option 2, a third option has recently been implemented. The first two options did not prove a way for respondents to indicate that they oppose global bans entirely, i.e., that it is not possible to write a meaningful global bans policy that would attract their support. Option 3 is intended to provide that opportunity, and to aid in distinguishing between people who oppose the proposed policy because it requires improvements and those who oppose the proposed policy because no policy permitting global bans should be adopted.

Because the third section was added late by a respondent, it is possible that some people who responded early in the RFC have commented at option 2, but would really prefer to support option 3, or support both. If so, you may voluntarily choose to move your original comment or to or strikethrough your original comment and add new comments. This is a courtesy notice of the change, and there is no requirement that you take any action. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Wow[edit]

And under the WMF tag too. That means it is his official capacity. With the size and scope, that is actually rather big news in a normal company. Just imagine if someone at the top of, say, a mid-sized breast cancer charity went around saying those kinds of things. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:56, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Global Bans[edit]

Do you think Poetlister should not have been globally banned? If not, how do the various communities, especially tiny ones, protect themselves from the damage that can result from someone mass sock puppeting and manipulating others to attain various high privileges on various sites while continue to harass people? And yes, this is a serious question. I personally think mass, cross Wiki sock puppetry is probably one of the most dangerous things that can happen and would want such users banned. Too often, sock puppets are able to convince someone with high level of privileges to "work" with them to reestablish their reputation and then they continue to do the same problematic thing. Look at Jack Merridew for another good example - he was finally completely removed from Wikipedia after being able to manipulate enough people and entrench himself for so long. He did that by using multiple other Wikis that did not have enough oversight to deal with people like him. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:49, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

There's a difference between "Should (very bad person) be globally banned?" versus "Should (very bad policy) be put in place just because (very bad person) would be globally banned?". I'm seriously unconvinced that the policy actually solves the supposed problem. If someone is obviously such a very bad person, why do the other wikis need "help" banning them? If it's because they're a master of deception, what's to stop them from assuming a new identity for ban-evasion, and the other side of that is witch-hunting for supposed sock-puppets. Further, what if they claim they're not really such a very bad person, but are the victim of a clique vendetta? (something which is on the face of it all too plausible in the wikiworld). And hence just give them a chance, they'll prove it's a miscarriage of justice, local opt-out of the global ban. Thus we end up with a banned-means-banned faction arguing nobody in the entire wikiverse can refuse to obey their rulings because it might be a trick (that starts to sound like a massive power-trip). Have we actually solved the deception problem, or just moved it to another battleground? And while this is going on, the other side is that people who do use their real names (so can't do that deception), but run afoul of the cliques, are subjected to yet another forum to be raked over the coals. I find it deeply troubling the way some policy advocates seem unconcerned with, or arguably even hostile to, safeguards. -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 10:04, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Why do other wikis need help banning them? Because they have too small of a community and often can be taken over by these individuals. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:54, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Are you saying one deceptive person can take over a small wiki? Perhaps, but I'm skeptical. That strikes me as the rhetorical equivalent of the "ticking time-bomb scenario" (i.e what if there's a terrorist group with a ticking bomb, what if there's a sock-master who manages to take over an entire wiki). -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 20:25, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
It has happened many times before. It was only through the involvement of Meta and outsiders that such problems were resolved. 02:10, 2 December 2012 (UTC)Ottava Rima (talk)
My understanding is that these situations with massively deceptive super-manipulative users are extremely rare, maybe once a year, occurrences. If there was some sort of "briefing paper" laying out the extent of the issue (I know, a very difficult task), perhaps we could argue from a common factual background. -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 08:32, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
The question here that interests me is, does Seth agree that a global ban could be warranted for "very bad people", even if the very bad behavior isn't illegal (or borderline illegal)? WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:54, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Could there be a "hard cases make bad law" situation? Sure. But, inversely, when the main policy proponent claims I'm "a troll who does more harm than good", do you think I have some rational basis for wondering how this policy is going to work in practice? -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 20:25, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
No matter what the policy is, I think we have a rational basis for wondering how this policy is going to work in practice: for wondering how continuing with "you must be individually banned at every single project" would help and hurt us, for wondering how "two bans and you can be hauled into 'court' at Meta for (maybe) a global ban" would help and hurt us, for wondering how "you can only be globally banned if the General Counsel says so" would help and hurt us, and for all the other possibilities discussed to date.
But the fact that I can see disadvantages to every possibility mentioned so far doesn't mean that I think that we shouldn't have a process that is better than our existing system of requiring a couple hundred projects to process ban discussions individually before we can say that a given person is not welcome on any WMF project anywhere.
I haven't heard a good reason to limit global bans strictly to illegal or nearly illegal behavior. Sure, anything could be abused, including your "General Counsel initiates" proposal. Geoff will listen more to you and me than to most users, so there's one possibility for abuse. Geoff will listen more to Steven and other staff members than to most users, so there's another possibility for abuse. Geoff has to do what the Board and the Executive Director tell him to do, so there's a third possibility for abuse. There is no abuse-free system.
So my question, again, is why do you want to prohibit global bans for massively disruptive, notoriously drama-mongering users unless the users do something that could be claimed to be illegal? What advantage does permitting notorious drama-mongering confer to the WMF and its projects? WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:48, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
The vague and broad interpretation of "notorious drama-mongering" worries me. Does that cover Sanger's wikiporn crusade? My social criticism (which can be harsh especially in the minds of those who love Wikipedia)? Running wikipediareview.com or wikipediocracy.com, or being very active there (remember "WP:BADSITES" policy proposals) ? We just saw the main policy proponent deeming me a "troll", which is wiki-fighting-words. There's a vindictiveness in some Wikipedians, an impulse to "get" those perceived as Enemies Of The State, err, Wikimedia. I've been subjected to this enough myself, and seen it in action regarding others, so as to strongly believe it's an aspect which should be taken into account in any global ban policy. Now, you might think "political" abuses will not happen, which is an instance of the general civil-liberties vs law-and-order debate. But, while it's clear we are going to disagree, I believe I have answered your question. -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 08:32, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
I think that "political" abuses will happen no matter what the system is:
  • Under the current system, we have abuses by a few extremely disruptive users and the people trying to stop their disruption with the inadequate tools at hand, e.g., by twisting their disruption to fit into the categories that will result in an OFFICE block or a global lock for spamming.
  • Under the proposed system, we will likely have abuses by people bringing unwarranted proposals for bans. In the best-case scenario, those ban proposals will be rejected, but there's no guarantee, because the definition of "especially disruptive user" is unavoidably dependent on personal judgment and will likely evolve over time.
  • Under your proposed system, we would likely have not only all the political abuses that we have now (because you're sticking the community with its inadequate tools for all non-criminal problems), but people leaning on the General Counsel to make a "finding" that disruption is "borderline illegal".
I'd like to make sure that I understand your response: You believe that permitting notorious drama-mongering and disruption provides zero benefit to the WMF and its projects, but it provides benefits to the (allegedly) disruptive users. Am I correct? WhatamIdoing (talk) 13:06, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
There comes a point where we must, not exactly agree-to-disagree (doesn't happen), but recognize we are at an impasse. I think we have reached that point. -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 13:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Email[edit]

ping - Ottava Rima (talk) 19:27, 31 December 2012 (UTC)