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Hoj Caesarion, iech höb eve aan dien gebroekersjpazjena gezete, aangezeens te miech gezag houws dat iech dat maog... :-) Cicero 22:50, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Whutta-waye? Thankye f'elpin es witte Norfuk peedya. May 'prekiate. Pallmall 05:51, 16 October 2005 (UTC).[reply]

Venetian req.[edit]

Hoj HaafLimbo,

I was just wondering if you knew what happened to the /old/ Venet request. I wanted to copy the support votes to the new request, or some other attempt at unifying them, but I can't seem to find it! --Node ue 09:13, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Caesarion,

can I ask you as a regular contributor of meta? The Ripuarian language request has been moved back and forth by anonymous IPs, and I wonder: who decides when it is approved, and what does it need? Because the discussion is not ongoing, it has 14 supporters, so ...? Are we allowed to put it back on the approved page (where it was before)?

Thank you! Dbach 19:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dbach! The concept of the "approved requests" page in new, and it is used quite loosely - there are no real rules for it. The main reason not to label it "approved", of course, is that some people oppose it. On the other hand, it is not the community but the Board who decides whether a Wikipedia is created, and while it will take some time, I think they will in the end, surely since there is such a good test wiki. so my advice is: be patient. Caesarion Velim, non opto 22:32, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I read that you are registered in the test wiki, and you said something about another writing system that is more lendig itself to dutch literate readers and writers. Since I am kind of unhappy with many ambiguities in the spelling used by most, presently, I would like to suggest a different one that is more ore less an extension of that documented at Klefs website. It has many similarities with dutch spelling, so it seems, but does not suffice.

During the next few day, a first incomplete draft is uploaded. Investigating dutch and limburgs orthography which I not know well enough yet, probably may help to fill the gaps. It is a pitty, I could not find any Article written in the orthography, that you prefer, so I have not had any materials for comparisons. -- Miss van der Roehe 13:18, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Miss van der Rohe! Well, Ripuarian is only spoken in a very small area in the Netherlands, in the town of Kerkrade and a few villages, so I think I am as yet the only contributor who uses that spelling @ all. And indeed, I haven't written any article yet, just because I was afraid of some chaos and confusion this would cause. Anyway, if you want to know more about the Dutch based Kerkrade spelling, just ask me! Caesarion Velim, non opto 15:31, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Caesarion! Danke für deine Nachricht! Well, all of the concerns I mentioned about Zlatiborian in my first statement are still valid and they haven't changed. "Neutral" is by no means "Support". However, one must realize that we are already applying special standards to language in former Yugoslavia. In other words: with bs, hr, sr we already allow seperate wikis for not really separate languages (which is probably less than ideal but reflects a political and social reality). With respect to this special background, it think the question if only variants of Serbo-Croatian that are now declared official languages of independent countries should be entitled to separate Wikipedias is worth being considered. But once again, the language situation in former Yugoslavia is so twisted that the way we are trying to cope with it cannot serve as a model for other countries/languages - wouldn't you agree with me here? Thus, my vote on the Zlatiborian issue can not really be compared with votes on other proposals.
Now for Ripurian and Bavarian: I have stated my reasons on User talk:Miss van der Roehe a couple of weeks ago. Actually, we've been through this before ;-) I think we are both strong advocates of multilingualism at Wikipedia, the only difference being that we're sometimes drawing the line between "language" and "dialect" in slightly different places. But that's absolutely no problem. On top of that - I can't repeat it enough - I will always respect clear majorities and you'll never see me trying to block anything that a clear majority of users want just because I don't like it personally. I've made my point, I've cast my vote and if a majority prefers something different that's perfectly fine - at least that's how I understand being part of a community. Ups, so viel wollte ich gar nicht schreiben ... Arbeo 10:48, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Romany Wikipedia[edit]

Hi Caesarion!

I noticed your interest in Romany Wikipedia (Test phase). Now it's ready to launch and I made some updates in the discussion page. See if you have some comments.

Thanks for pointing this out! Unfortunately, I don't speak Romany... Caesarion 17:25, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Caesarion,

Thank you for your opinion and support for South Azeri wikipedia (AZS), it is open and very clear.

--Baybak 01:10, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


Bij deze de engelstalige beschrijving van Grave [[1]] op commons, weer teruggezet naar 'city' aangezien Grave stadsrechten heeft. Op kun je zien dat niet alleen het aantal inwoners, maar ook de 'legal status' ervoor kan zorgen dat een plaats een stad is. 12:46, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maar 'town' betekent ook gewoon stad. Een 'city' is bij mij een grote stad. Caesarion 00:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Hey thx for the tips man. The thing is I'm just learning the Ins and Outs of Wikipedia. I have spoken with a couple of friends and also a couple of teachers. They are going to start looking for more people to contribute to the Papiamentu Wikipedia. You said to me that I could allow Arubaans and Curaćaos. I don't think that it is a bad idea. It's great, but there is a little problem though. Wat if someone tries to edit the page voor spelling foutjes, dan wordt het echt moeilijk. But there isn't any significant difference between the two, so I don't think it will be a problem.

Also because you are more experienced in Wikipedia. I would like to have your support in helping set it up. thx.
--Ghettocash 20:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thx man, I really apreciate your help. I noticed what you said to me about the links. If you want you can also edit stuff in the Test Page. Ghettocash 13:56, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They approved the language. You can look at it . I have a question though. Now that they have approved it, what do I have to do? When will they create it? I'm going to add you as a 'Miembro' (member) on the test page.

When will they create it.... if I only knew the answer! There are some more Wikipedias waiting to be created, waiting for months, but the developers just seem to have forgotten them, or otherwise are to busy with other things. So the main thing you have to do is waiting, and having patience. In the mean time, why not try to translate the interface, to be found at Special:Allmessages? When the interface file is ready, the developers might be more inclined to create the new Wikipedia. Caesarion 15:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I don't understand how or in what way I must translate the Special:Allmessages page you have given me. You can explain in dutch if you like. I don't write in dutch because, I'm much better at english, but I do understand Dutch and write Dutch. Can you please explain to me or help me out at what I must do. thx man.

You can find the original interface file at en:Special:Allmessages. Translate them offline, e.g. in a .txt file. It is also good to check nl:Speciaal:Allmessages, just to make sure you made the right translation.
There's also a way to put them online, via Bugzilla, but I don't know myself how this works. Anyway, since I recently received a similar file for the Seeltersk wikipedia-to-be, I will have to find this out quite soon. In the mean time, you can start translating - it's quite a big deal of work, you know... :-) Caesarion 09:21, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


why was it removed?

Was it? I'm unaware of that... Perhaps by mistake, perhaps by intention. In both cases, you have the right to take it back. Caesarion 09:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't know how. Please do it. As far as I understand from the history of the page, trasianka was removed from the Requests after your edition. Actually, I don't understand the reasons for it. Now I just can't find it even in Removed. Why? Please, take it back. I don't think the discussion is over. trasianka editor 17:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I see what I did wrong. The request is stored in a template, and when moving the Papiamentu request to the bottom of the page, I removed one accolade by mistake. By simply placing it back I restored the Trasianka request. Caesarion 07:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks. I hope we'll see some progress in this project. trasianka editor 15:10, 06 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

HE is PARANOID![edit]

ITS ENOUGH!! I vandalise? HE IS IN VANDALISM the whole time. HE deleted enormous amounts of zaza articles!!! HE is paranoid. We gives oneself strives so much, but which he does?? HE DELETES SIMPLE EVERYTHING OF THE ZAZA ARTICLES!!!

What are you for humans? We give ourselves strive so much that our language does not become extinct! Jowever which does you?? You support people, which prevent us from it!

--Sobê 19:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah right. What do you think, the worst crier has always right? Get the hell out if you have nothing sensible to say. If there's one user who foster's everyone right to write his own language, it's Node. And yes, your highly paranoid. You do not have a single proof of that it was Node who emptied the page and yet you seem quite sure about that? Who dýou think you are? God? How should you know this otherwise than? I know Node ue 10,000 times better than you do. If there's one user who should be banned, aside, I gree, of the page blanking vandal, it's you. You vandalised Node's user page, you broke netiquette very badly, you are a sheer danger online. Caesarion 20:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sobe bira please don't delete user pages. Think about us, our project. I agree with you that what Node did was not appropiate, and I also know you worked hard for the front page. But, we must behave rationally. --Maviulke12 21:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]



He make this with all zaza pages!!!

I CALLED THE IP USER KURD, BUT HE but he felt addressed.

SEE HERE!!![edit]

(cur) (last) 18:30, 1 April 2006 Node ue (Again you crazy people are calling me a Kurd. I'm not a Kurd, I'm not a Turk, I'm not Persian, or Arab, OK?)
(cur) (last) 15:05, 1 April 2006 Sobê (!!!!!!!!!AGAIN VANDALISM OF A KURD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(cur) (last) 14:32, 1 April 2006

Is that what you call a proof? He is accused by you of something he's nothing to do with and is irritated, so he clarifies he's NOT Kurdish. I don't see even the slightest hint of evidence that he would have done it. Cool down at last, please...
Btw look in the history of the Zazaki test-wp. I made a few positive edits to you, in order to help you guys underway. And now you're calling me a 'bastard'? Really thankful. Get a life, man. Caesarion 08:56, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sobe deza, your attitude is not constructive. I think you should apologize to Caesarion. He also supported our project during the voting process. --Maviulke12 04:21, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zazaki Wikipedia[edit]

Hi Caesarian, can I put Zazaki Wikipedia to the page Approved requests for new languages? Here you say so. By the way, sorry for Sobe's words; I don't approve his attitude. --Maviulke12 03:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, most oppose votes are, in my opinion, highly politically inspired, and I think for that reason they don't really count. But considering the recent controversy, I think it would be wise to leave it on the regular requests page for some time, at least until the case has cooled down. Caesarion 08:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Stainbach, I think the situation has cooled down. Should we move on to the next step? --Maviulke12 01:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Stainbach, I and my friends think that we should move on. --Maviulke12 04:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, be bold and go ahead. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 09:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again Stainbach, Node eu is erasing Zazaki Wikipedia request from the approved page. He seems to be very hateful agaist our project. We created a nice test-wikipedia and waited such a long time. Now, just one guy is trying to block our work. What should we do? --Maviulke12 02:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You![edit]

thank you for supporting creation of mazandarani language, Dank u veel heel! --Mazmaz 09:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Hello 1st time! I`ve got one request for you. I collect words in various languages. Now I`m looking for word "sugar" in other languages, but I can`t find a Sealandic dictionary. I`ve got counterparts of word "sugar" in Japanese, Amharic, Thai, Georgian and Chinese, so can you write me what is "sugar" in Sealandic language? I`ve got this word in 264 languages and dialects of many regions and countries in the world so it is very important for me! Thank you very much! Szoltys

Hello 2nd time! Thanks for translation of word "sugar". Now I`ve got this word in 344 languages. I want to do a logo of my site. Could you like write me what`s called all sentence "sugar in 340 languages" in Sealandic? I will be very grateful. Thank you very much! Szoltys

ISO standard[edit]

There is a difference between papiamentu en papiamento. They are almost the same language but the way it is written is different. I don't want problems in tha papiamentu wikipedia. My question is how can i create an other wikipedia, but for papiamento so that the arubians can work on that?
--Ghettocash 18:08, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You can't. I know how big the differences are, but the are not unsurmoutable. Arubans on one side and Bonaireans and Curaçaoans on the other certainly can read each other's dialects and spellings. Create a brief explanation of how to convert one spelling into another, and create template like {{Aruba}}, {{Boner}}, {{Korsoù}} that say in which dialect an article is written. I have been working on the Limburgic Wikipedia for more than a year now, where I have faced similar problems with sometimes even greater difficulties: you certainly don't want to know hog big the gaps between different Limburgish dialects are. We tag articles with li:Template:dialek, so that one can see in which dialect(s) an article is writtrn.
Splitting up small Wikipedias in even smaller domains is not an option: it narrows the already not-so-broad target group of readers and writers and it goes counter to the Board of Trustees's policy. So you have to be creative whenever a language has more than one standard way or writing or no standard at all. Caesarion 19:57, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I want to apologize for everything. --Sobê 16:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you heartily approve this, Sobê, it's okay. Good luck with your project! Caesarion 16:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

de-sysop on nl[edit]

according to your request by email, i have removed your sysop rights on nlwiki. groet, oscar 12:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, it's over! Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 12:56, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Klar, so kurz vor der Weltmeisterschaft ;-) Aber ehrlich: ich habe immer versucht fair zu sein, egal ob ich eine Idee persönlich gut finde oder nicht (z. B. auch bei Ripuarisch). Was am Ende zählt, ist der Wille der Gemeinschaft, nicht meine persönliche Meinung. Grüße, ARBE0 14:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Creation of new approved wikis[edit]

Hi Steinbach! Two weeks ago, Tuf-Kat asked me to post a request for the creation of the approved wikis to the Wikitech-l list, which I did ( Like I had expected, zero reaction (at least not from any developers). Really frustating. Eloquence told me to contact them via the #wikimedia-tech IRC channel but I'm not really familiar with the customs there. Would you happen to have closer ties with one of the tech folks? Would be nice if we could convince one of them to help us soon as requests are really piling up now (not only for Wikipedias). --ARBE0 18:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Arbeo! Unfortunately, I am as badly familiar with the software developers as I am with the software itself. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 10:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Taichi's moving of requests[edit]

Hi Caesarion, I'd like to solicit a comment from you regarding Taichi's moving of the Old Church Slavonic and Old Norse requests to the Approved page. I disagree with his logic, given that neither request is supported by any fluent speakers, but according to him they can be moved because "sufficient interest" has been shown (see my talk page: user talk:Node ue). I have reverted his addition 3 times now and I hope that he will not add it again as I try to discuss the issue with him, but if he does, I will not revert it for at least a week in the hope that I may get supporting or opposing opinions from you and Caesarion. I do not think it's constructive to approve requests for Wikipedias that have absolutely no fluent speaker support, empty or nearly-empty test wikipedias, and whose original requesters have shown little interest, as it seems likely that if these Wikipedias were to be created, they would remain empty for an extended period of time, and also because it opens the door to creation of many other new Wikis with no support from native or fluent speakers, "just because we felt like it". --Node ue 15:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First of all: I'm flattered you contacted me about this subject... I don't see what I have to do with it, as I hardly mingled in these requests and didn't show any direct interest. Personally, I think these requests should not be fulfilled as relatively little people have shown their interest and the test wikis are not overwhelmingly big. On the other hand, there is no real policy, no clear guideline, on when a request actually has to be considered "approved". I proposed some guidelines a few months ago but they have not been elaborately discussed (unless the discussion emerged when I was on holiday). Yes, I'm at your side, I think it was a premature decision of Taichi to move the requests, but he is hardly to be blamed. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 13:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You should know that if you're on the side of a vandal that made Email forgery that should be banned. --Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti? 20:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Multilingual Wikipedians[edit]

Then why are Elvish, Quenya, Sindarin and Klingon allowed?

Still, you cannot delete my Nihongo entry as you cannot deny my heritage and culture. I am requesting to put it back.--Californiacondor 15:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These are real languages, even though they have been invented for artistic purposes. However, I didn't notice you listed Japanese as well; I'll put it back. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 16:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I still have a hard time comprehending 007 movies and the BBC news......:) --Californiacondor 17:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Steinbach,

I saw the Wikipedian section, and there are a full of non-sense postings. If you categorize my entries as non-sense and therefore they deserve deletion, don't you have to apply the same standard to other postings and delete a bunch of entries?

As for the Multilingual Wikipedians page (that is categorized under the Wikipedian category), I believe that the page has been created for fun as there is a no-nonsense practical page for the business purpose in which multilingual Wikipedians who are willing to partake Wikimedia translation projects are listed.

I understand that many Wikipedians are very sensitive toward vandalism; however, I did not have any intension to vandalize the page. Why can other users have fun while I, a user just like others, was denied to do so?

Please let me know what you think of this.


Californiacondor 16:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, in this case, my concern was that once you would put in jokes like the "Condorish" one, keeping this would allow anyone else to put in similar "languages". That would make the list very impractical. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 22:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New language request process!?[edit]

Hi Steinbach,

It looks to me like the implementation of a reform of the process by User:Pathoschild was almost completely unilateral. He has been almost the only editor of Meta:Language proposal policy, and it is insufficient to only leave mention of his proposal on the Talkpage for 1 week (and then interpret no response as approval). I think something needs to be done about this. He is clearly badly informed, you and I both know that 5 editors is too stringent a requirement (among the other requirements established). Also, the outright erasure of existing proposals on that page is unacceptable. I know that he is a sysop, but still we must be able to do something. If User:TUF-KAT agrees with us, that will be good because she is a sysop too; otherwise, at least you and I together should be able to make some kind of difference here. --Node ue 22:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I made a comment in your comment. Please help me explaining your opinion on that page :) 555 04:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rotuman Wikipedia[edit]

Noticed ur good work in an archived discussion about some Polynesian WP requests that were knocked back . I'd like to respectfully invite you to vote for Wikipedia Rotuman here. Like you I see this as a huge resource especially for multilingual people such as myself, and those willing to have a resource to learn from. Thanks heaps. Matt Bray

Dear Steinbach/Cesarion, thank you for supporting Manchu Wikipedia in 2005, I would like to know if you can support that project once again. Regards. Whlee 13:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Haj Steinbach! Doe bös dich op dien paasj hiejveur ozze innige echte welfunksionerede wiktionair vergaete! Ich dach, ich zègk 't maar. --Ooswesthoesbes 18:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pig latin language[edit]

This may be going back a bit ,Ceasarion, But Pig Latin is a real language. Users: L,F-EO7

Volapük again[edit]

Hi Steinbach. Perhaps you've already noticed that there is a new proposal against the Volapük Wikipedia: m:Proposals for closing projects/Radical cleanup of Volapük Wikipedia. In case you agree that this is not a good proposal for vo.wp, perhaps you could help us fight against it by casting your vote? Thanks! --Smeira 00:15, 3 oct 2008

Thanks for noticing, I replied. Opposing, of course. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 09:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


In plaats van mich taengewerke zówse ouch ane Zeeuwse wiktionair kinne werke enne interface daovan :) --OosWesThoesBes 18:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

re:Bureaucrats on small wikis[edit]

Hi, I answered You here, thanks, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 10:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Beste Steinbach,

Omdat ik je op een andere manier niet kan bereiken, verzoek ik je op deze plek om mijn account op de zeeuwse Wikipedia [2] te deblokkeren, aangezien voor deze blokkade geen grond te ontdekken valt. Met vriendelijke groet, Guido den Broeder 12:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Superprotect status[edit]

Dear Steinbach, since you are an administrator on a wiki from which no user participated in this discussion, I'd like to make sure you are aware of some recent events which may alter what the Wikimedia Foundation lets you do on your wiki: Superprotect.

Peteforsyth 09:50, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your account will be renamed[edit]

04:10, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

It looks like you opposed logo transfer for li.wikipedia years ago? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:00, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I did, but I am ready to discuss the issue again at the Village Pump. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 09:40, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your essay[edit]

I think LangCom is starting to move in that direction for Wikipedias. Be patient. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:44, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for these encouraging words. :) I did notice how you recently changed the status of the Coptic Wikipedia request to "approved", but I have yet to see what will happen to the other two. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 08:38, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

interview for Slate[edit]

I'm a reporter that regularly writes about Wikipedia for Slate. You seem quite passionate that Scots Wikipedia should not be nuked. Would you be interested in an interview via Skype or email? You can contact me via email this user, if so, or on my website Stephenbharrison (talk) 16:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas 2021[edit]

Merry Christmans[edit]

I wishes you a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. --Samuel (talk) 16:00, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Please do not excise slabs of text from RFCs. They are what they are, and should only be excised with the consent of the community. Life is not a bed of roses, and neither is the community, whitewashing it doesn't make it better.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This was an exception. It wasn't comment, it was sheer harassment and conscious flaming. Nobody needed it, least of all the defendant. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 09:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If anythingm I removed the comments for which this troll received an infinite block. Re-read Jack User's post closely. Is there really anything in them that justifies their continued existence? Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 10:02, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]