Wikisongs II

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This page is a proposal for a new Wikimedia Foundation Sister Project.
Status Under discussion
What is the proposed name for the project? Wikisongs
Proposed project tagline find free songs fast
Project description
What is the project purpose? What will be its scope? How would it benefit to be part of Wikimedia?
A free Songbook:

This idea is not my idea; many persons had this (Wikimusic II, Wikimusic, Wikisongs, WikiSongs), but all had problems with the copyright. Now we can write scores with the wiki-software, so there aren't so much problems with the copyright and it isn´t a sisterproject of Wikimedia Commons. Second this Wiki isn´t for Songtext it is for music, so it isn´t a sister project of Wikisource. There is something like this in the german Wikibooks: de:b:Liederbuch. The problems with this book is first it isn´t international - I think it should be - and second it isn´t really what Wikibooks is.

How many wikis?
Will there be many language versions or just on one multilingual wiki?
One Multilingual wiki
How many languages?
Is the project going to be in one language or in many?
Language: Music (Introductions in many languages but in the same wiki)
Proposed project website address wikisongs.org
Proposed logo for the project
{\time 6/8 c'8 (es' d' dis' e' b') g' (es' as' es' b c') c'2. \bar "|." \addlyrics{ Wi -- ki -- songs } }
Technical requirements
If the project requires any new features that the MediaWiki software currently doesn't have, please describe in detail. Are additional MediaWiki extensions needed for the project?
en:w:Help:Score
Development wiki
Interested participants Habitator terrae

A free Songbook with music and without copyright.

Proposed by[edit]

This was the first idea like this I found: User:Red Rooster

And I'm User:Habitator terrae

Alternative names[edit]

  • Wikimusic

Related projects/proposals[edit]

Domain names[edit]

  • wikisongs.org

Demos[edit]

People interested[edit]

Discussion[edit]

  • How are you suggesting this is going to be populated? Are you suggesting editors add their own compositions? hiàn 03:35, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
    @hiàn:I thing there are many songs that have no history to write an article about it and I thing it is a good addendum to wikipedia by songs in wikipedia. And to your second question: I didn't thing so, but why not? --Habitator terrae (talk) 08:18, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
    So... public domain works? From what time periods should the music be coming from? hiàn 02:56, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
    The music should coming from all time periods. (They should be public domain, so the songs are a little bit old:) --Habitator terrae (talk) 09:36, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
    Definitely an interesting proposal. I'll look into the feasibility of this project. hiàn 21:43, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
    @hiàn: And what to you thing about the feasibility of this project? --Habitator terrae (talk) 19:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
    Still looking. hiàn 19:53, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Could have some potential, especialy for public domain music sheets with specific wiki language. Though, it can also be envisaged as a simpler extention for Wikibook: why should it be a separate project? Can you please argument your way @Habitator terrae: Ju gatsu mikka (talk) 17:29, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
    Because Wikibooks always have a language, so it isn't really international and I thing we should translate the descriptions of the songs. But if do this, I thing, it can be on Wikibooks. --Habitator terrae (talk) 17:54, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
    note: here some of the similar propositions, you should gather the proponant and mindstorm with them:
    1. WikiMusic (logo)
    2. Wikimusic II
    3. WikiScores

Existing wiki[edit]

I already have a wiki for free music, currently located at musik.uni-guehlen.de which I intend to relocate to freemusicwiki.org. Account creation is currently suspended due to spamming.

  • The wiki allows music under any free license (see freedomdefined.org for a definition), such as CC-BY-SA, CC-BY, CC0, LFFI, EFF OAL, GOML, as well as songs in the Public Domain. The license is specified for each song individually.
  • My idea is not only to collect existing free songs in this wiki, but also to provide some room to work together – something like Github, but for composing and writing lyrics.
    • Problem: Finished and unfinished songs should go into different namespaces.
  • If recordings or music videos are available, there should be a link to them.
    • Problem: Recordings and music videos might be under a different license.
  • With traditional songs, there are several problems:
    • They come in huge varieties.
    • Collecting these songs might double the work of Wikisource (e.g. look at Ludwig Erk – Deutscher Liederhort, which is a historical song book hosted there).
    • Some versions of traditional songs are non-free, so it takes some research to find that one particular version is actually free.
    • Some songs feel so old that one might assume they are free, but in reality they are not old enough. Again it takes some research to find out if they are actually free.
    • One approach might be to first find some scans of historic books and cut out individual songs to create a pool of scans.

-- Sloyment (talk) 23:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC)