CentralNotice/Request/surveying readers and contributors to Wikipedia

surveying readers and contributors to Wikipedia

• Jullienn (talk · contribs · page moves · block user · block log), primary contact (Requested at 12:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC))

Central Notice Settings
What is the campaign duration? 2023-06-01 to 2023-06-14 for en, tr; 2023-06-14 to 2023-06-28 for uk, fr, it ; 2023-06-28 to 2023-07-11 for pl, de, ar, nl, es, pt → 2 weeks for each language. Proposed calendar (compatible with the other demands, I think, providing I have not done any reading error) Which projects will you be targeting? Wikipedia What languages will you be targeting? English, French, Turkish, Italian, German, Ukrainian, Polish, Ukrainian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Arabic . Do you wish to show banners to Logged In users, Anonymous Users or Both? Do you want to target users with a specific number of edits or average monthly? Any user (both logged in and anonymous) What countries will your campaign target? Any country accessing the languages Banner/Campaign Diet: To be determined by Central Notice admin

What is the purpose of the campaign? How will you measure the success of the campaign?

Description -

The campaign aims at surveying the Wikipedia users on how they consider, use the information provided by Wikipedia, according to the context (professional, personal, etc.) It will also ask the contributors specific questions about their participation and their involvement.

The language versions of the questionnaire are available here

It is managed by a group or researchers from several public research institutions, mainly French, coordinated by the research network Marsouin with, we hope, collaboration with the different language communities.

More precisely, the survey aims at addressing the following questions (open list):

• for the contributors, what does that mean to be a contributor, how it is perceived by their relative, how this impacts their practice, their vision of Wikipedia and of its governance (see the WMF's taxonomy of "gaps", p. 16)
• for the readers, how they use Wikipedia, but also what does acceptability as a source of information means, according to the context - school, university, information, etc.), for them and for their "audience" (see WMF's taxonomy of "gaps", p. 10)
• this questionnaire will rely on and expand the one done in 2019 by the WMF (would be happy to have feedback from Isaac_(WMF) or Jmorgan_(WMF)

Again, we would like to have inputs from the community of what questions we could address together!

The list of the languages contacted, and the people volunteering to translate is maintained in the project's Research page

The survey is inspired by the survey to the French users made by the same team in 2015 and in 2011.
See the results of the former surveys (in French: 2011, 2015), and by the survey made by the WMF in 2019.

Metrics - We are expecting to reach ~16.000 answers in two weeks in each language addressed, as in 2015.

IRB approval - The research has been evaluated and approved by IMT Atlantique's IRB.

What banner(s) will you use? What will be your landing page?

Banners - The Banners will have the same text, translated in the language of the wikipedia surveyed (see table below)

The text (English version):

Please help us better understand what you do on Wikipedia! By responding to this questionnaire created by an international group of university researchers and members of the Wikipedia community.
Answer the questionnaire (Answers are collected outside the Wikimedia Foundation's servers, by the public research center Marsouin.org, in France)

Landing Page - The landing page will be the questionnaire's first page, in the targeted language. The questionnaires are all hosted on Marsouin's LimeSurvey site, in France (on OVH Cloud)

All the banners are translated in the survey's research page.

Is this project grant funded? Please provide a link

Type of grant -
No grant, several public research centers involved

However, this project is conducting while Nicolas Jullien is visiting professor at Università Ca'Foscari Venezia

Link to grant -

Discussion

Hi Jullienn, I have a quick question around this campaign. When are the exact dates you are running it? We (the WMF) has fundraising banner campaigns in both Italy and the Czech Republic scheduled for the dates I see you mention in the CN calendar. Do you think you will run the survey in either of these countries? The fundraising banners are only shown to logged out users. Thanks, JBrungs (WMF) (talk) 07:00, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi JBrungs (WMF). Thank you very much for your question, it'll help me precise our needs.

• we do not have precise dates in mind, so we can be flexible. It is not a problem either if in some languages the banner appears a bit later than in other
• this said, for the time being we are able to do the questionnaire in French, Turkish, and in English (maybe arabic). Probably in Italian as well (I am currently in Italy) but we would very much like having the support/interaction with the communities to do so
• other languages and timing are pending the possibility to exchange with the community on their needs and on the translation

Jullienn (talk) 12:06, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Jullienn for getting back to me.

Generally, you can find what fundraising campaigns are happening for non-logged in users in the CN calendar.

In case your campaign runs at the same time as one of the fundraising campaigns, readers will still see your banner after they saw 10 fundraising banners. So the overlap would not mean that your banners do not show at all.

I will keep an eye on this page and see how your plans develop and if you need any further help or information, just ping me.

Best, JBrungs (WMF) (talk) 12:10, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

hum, do I understand you well, @JBrungs (WMF) if I say that it means that a person would have to open 10 pages before seeing out banner? If yes, that would not do, as there would be a huge bias toward the big Wikipedia users in our dataset.

That obliges us to schedule our banners out of the period of fundraising. It is a constraint but as you say we have the date and we can adapt (and it is us to be adaptable anyhow).

Best, Jullienn (talk) 14:21, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jullienn,

Yes, that is correct. A reader will see fundraising banners for the first 10x they visit a wiki page and after that your banner would display. Please note, that for the time you are running the survey this is only applicable to non-logged in readers in Italy (please note that we might not run banners in Italy during this time, this is still to be determined) and the Czech Republic. Logged in users will see your banner straight away as we do not display fundraising banners to them.

I always make sure that I add our fundraising campaigns to the Central Notice calendar as soon as I can, so you can always check there when and where we are having fundraising banners up.

Best, JBrungs (WMF) (talk) 07:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Ok, well, providing that our demand is accepted, I think the best would be to adjust "our" banner's time slot to the final fundraising calendar; we don't mind a delay, but better to have the same protocol for all the languages targetted. Jullienn (talk) 08:26, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

hi @JBrungs (WMF)

here is the calendar for the survey I've just proposed. I think it fits with all the other demands!

Proposed calendar:

• 2023-04-21 to 2023-05-04 for fr, en, it, pt
• 2023-04-28 to 2023-05-11 for uk, pl, es, de
• 2023-05-04 to 2023-05-18 for tr, ar, nl

Jullienn (talk) 13:09, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Jullienn. Have a good campaign. JBrungs (WMF) (talk) 14:01, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

thanks @JBrungs (WMF) If you want to look at the Engkish questionnaire (and feedback on it/ on the quality of the questions and of the language, feel free to do so! It is here

The addresses to the questionnaires are listed here, in the project's research page. (talk) 07:21, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @DerHexer and @Martin Urbanec, regarding this demand, do you need any more information? I would be happy to talk with you about the calendar if modifications are needed, and about the settings of the banners and of the landing pages. --Jullienn (talk) 10:53, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Not a CNA but since this is a survey I'd like to point out to the sections CentralNotice/Usage guidelines §§ Banner requirements​ and Surveys. Since this survey seems to be conducted in a third-party website, I'd be interested to hear if privacywikimediaorg has any concerns about that. I see LimeSurvey is mentioned, which may be okay, but the text of the banner should IMHO clearly indicate that this is conducted outside Wikimedia servers so users can make an informed choice of whether to visit that website or not. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 15:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

  hi; thanks @MarcoAurelio for that remark. It is not a problem for us, if it has to be added on the banner Jullienn (talk) 13:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

• The link under Answer the questionnaire above may be broken: https://https//questionnaires.marsouin.org/index.php/978939 has two hhtps. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 15:52, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks, corrected Jullienn (talk) 14:59, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Central Notice admin comments

@Jullienn: I've created the campaign and banner. I think that it can be used for all languages with the language codes added or removed at the start and end date. Our standard banner works a little bit different than your proposed text plus links, in fact a fully clickable banner might even make more sense than just underlined words. Please check the previews of the first four languages: English, French, Spanish, Turkish (I've used the texts and links from here). Please check everything, ask for changes, or approve it so that I can enable the campaign. Please ping me as I will be on the road for the next days and will not check my watchlist regularly. PS: The German translation is not understandable, it would require a couple of hours by a native speaker to have it fixed. Unfortunately, I don't have the ressources to do that. Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 18:13, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello @DerHexer

thank you very much for all this!

I come back to you today.

As far as the banner is concerned, what you say makes way more sense: a fully clickable banner, of course. I would just bold the "questionnaire" (in in English: "by responding to this questionnaire", and so on) => what is to be put in bold is the first link in the proposed banner texts where you took them, here.

Regarding the German, I have a German native speakers colleague correcting it (that is a reason why I did not want it to start right away).

Thanks! Jullienn (talk) 07:52, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn: I feared you'd say that. It's not so easy to change the markup in a translatable banner. I have to break everything into segments, which means that this one sentence will then become three parts whose middle part would get bold. I can do that but I don't know when as I'm traveling to London right now. The current version I could enable right away. Of course, I can adjust it if need be. Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 08:04, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@DerHexer

Well, Yes I think it is important, but not enough for a no-go (if it starts slow it's not a problem).

So, I would say: let's launch the campain!

I can help do the fix if you think it can help, and if/when you had time it can be ajusted later, no? Jullienn (talk) 08:21, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn: Yes, it's possible to change the display later. I've enabled the banner now, boarding to London has just started. ;D —DerHexer (Talk) 08:45, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!

it works fine.

Have a good flight and enjoy London! Jullienn (talk) 08:58, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@DerHexer No need to fix the banner (bolding things, see below) the "test" made shows that there are enough answers like that Jullienn (talk) 10:30, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @DerHexer

As the banner are not back, and to diminish your workload, maybe the best would be to start the languages in less waves?

Like:

today (2023-05-16) to 2023-05-30 for fr (30%), es (30%), tr (50%), pt (30%); 2023-05-20 to 2023-06-03 for de (30%) uk (50%), it (30%), pl (50%), ar (30%), nl (50%); 2023-06-04 to 2023-06-17 for en (10%). What do you think? Jullienn (talk) 09:45, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I plan to post in the de-wikipedia today or tomorrow about the survey, once it is reread by 2 native speakers Jullienn (talk) 09:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn:, someone is reporting a problem with this banner it seems: en:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Banner_link_error (See also: phab:T336353) —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:19, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@TheDJ

Yes, OVH seems to have a problem...

better unplug the banners during 1h if possible Jullienn (talk) 09:23, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn I disabled the banners. It would not surprise me if the amount of traffic was too much for the server. If that's the case, we can limit the banner so that it only displays on a certain % of Wikipedia pageviews, e.g. 5% or 10%. Would that be acceptable? I'm certain you can still reach your 16,000 answers. Peter Coombe (WMF) (talk) 09:34, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Pcoombe (WMF)

It was that!

We've changed the config and it should be ok at full charge, but you are right better being prudent.

I think the best would be to replug the banners for the Turkish Wikipedia first (100%, possible now), then the English (30% around 12:00 GMT), then the Spanish one hour later and the French one hour after the Spanish (both at 50%). What do you think? Jullienn (talk) 10:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

(because the goal is to reach 16000 answers per language, not for the beauty of the figure, but because to be able to statistically anayze some minorities populations/phenomenon, we need quite a big number of answers) Jullienn (talk) 10:23, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

To have different traffic levels and start times for each language I will need to split it into multiple campaigns, which will take some time. Peter Coombe (WMF) (talk) 10:39, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I understand. Well, let's try everything at 50% then: according to our calculus the servers are able to manage 100% now, but better being prudent, and 50% will allow for collecting enough data for the "smaller" wikipedia of next week Jullienn (talk) 11:05, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn I'm already done splitting them and setting up. Turkish is up now at 100%, and I confirmed the link works fine now. English will go up 20% at 12 UTC (we need to be extra cautious since English is by far the highest traffic). Spanish 50% at 13 UTC. French 50% at 14 UTC. Peter Coombe (WMF) (talk) 11:12, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Pcoombe (WMF) That's perfect! Thank you very much indeed Jullienn (talk) 11:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn The survey is having trouble again, and I have disabled the banners. Please ensure the server is properly fixed before requesting them back again. Peter Coombe (WMF) (talk) 13:15, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Pcoombe (WMF) From what I see from the server things were running ok (the server "seems to consider" that everything is swell; we are looking deeper Jullienn (talk) 14:34, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Pcoombe (WMF)

Thank you for your patience!

I think that the safer way to handle the problem would be to drop the English for the time being and to launch it at the end (like 06/01 -> 16/13, no banner request for this period), because it seems working ok by itself (and with the turc), but when combined with bigger wikipedia such as French or Spanish; the combine traffic generates random errors (not that much considering the total amount for what I see but still -- around 5%). In the same time, we are looking if there is a problem with the database part (limesurvey uses one base and several tables, so we are looking at migrating to a more stable database infrastructure)

What do you think? Jullienn (talk) 14:52, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm going to leave any more decisions about restoring this campaign up to @DerHexer or one of the other community CentralNotice admins. I really only stepped in to deal with the urgent issue of having a broken link live. Peter Coombe (WMF) (talk) 15:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks.

Well, @DerHexer, we have updated the capacities, and as written supra, I think it's best to postpose the banner opening for the en-wikipedia at the end of the campaign (I've update the calendar accordingly).

But in my opinion, better opening first the Turkey when you can (it works for sure, but let's put it at 50% if possible) and then, tomorrow (05-11) the French and the Spanish (at 20%).

It's up to you to decide and it's true that we won't know if it works without trying, but I am pretty confident this time.

Sorry again for the mess (but I think it's the first time that a questionnaire that big is played in so many languages, and I really hope that the results it will provide will pay all us for the efforts! Jullienn (talk) 19:07, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn has this vendor been engaged, or are we just assuming what their failures were? If they were, have they provided an explanation or remediation? — xaosflux ^Talk 15:59, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Are you the service provider here? — xaosflux ^Talk 16:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Clearly the resources allowed (http and database) were not enough; we are increasing them - we are using an cloud service provider Jullienn (talk) 16:23, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

So we think it's their mistake (they should have been clearer about the limitation) but in the end it's our, as we support and we make the community support the consequences: we should have anticipated and increased the resources beforehand, and avoid this mess. Jullienn (talk) 16:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T336353

• @Pcoombe (WMF): got the survey to load once and started looking though it, there is an untranslated answer set in the question, "Have you ever used Wikipedia for the activities just mentioned?" (Survey language set to English, Answer set is in French). The external survey may need additional QA review before relaunching, ensuring that all languages are working properly. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:37, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

  Hello @Xaosflux, you are speaking of the questionnaire in English, right? I think I've found the problem and corrected it, thank you (even after checked and rechecked, I let that passed, sorry) Jullienn (talk) 14:40, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, I had the English survey, but at least one of the answer prompts was in French. — xaosflux ^Talk 15:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

  right, my mistake, corrected Jullienn (talk) 16:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, because of busy weeks at work and with vacations, I told WMF that I am stepping down from supporting this campaign. Some other solutions should be found. Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 17:30, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello @DerHexer, thanks for coming back to me. Does that mean that Martin_Urbanec is in charge? Or can somebody else help... @Ilario? Maybe @Peter Coombe (WMF)? Would you have an advise?

This is a wiki, noone is 'in charge' :D Is something needed now? — xaosflux ^Talk 12:48, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Xaosflux (is "actively volunteering" or "gently stewartshiping" a better description? ;-) )

Thank you for your question! What would be great is to (re)start the banners, with this calendar if you had the time (5% for the English a the beginning). Jullienn (talk) 13:05, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn I enabled TR, please ensure everything is working and let me know before we try English again with a limit. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:26, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely, it is online and it connects to the questionnaire; few answers for the time being, so hard to test for the capacity. I come back to you in an hour Jullienn (talk) 13:45, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

@Xaosflux if we want to do a better stress test, maybe we could start the Spanish or the Portuguese, which are ready but without a banner (the French will have one on Monday, so better wait, I think) but I don't want to open one and close it one day after Jullienn (talk) 13:47, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

So, @Xaosflux I think the best is to open the English as planned today at 5%, or even less if you want to test. The logs are ok, no problem; so let's start the English, then when you can. Jullienn (talk) 15:06, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn +en is on at 5% now. — xaosflux ^Talk 00:28, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

@Xaosflux ok, no problem at 5%, everything ok! Jullienn (talk) 06:59, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Xaosflux.

I think we've stabilized the flux, and there are less missed questionnaires with the text added. We may even try to launch the French questionnaire on Monday (12th), before shuting down the English the 15th (and then launch the Italian and the Ukrainian).

However, I've seen that @JBrungs (WMF) has a fund raising campaign runing in Mexico and Brazil, so it may be prudent to postpone the launch of the Spanish and Portuguese. I've updated the calendar accordingly Jullienn (talk) 14:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

OK, ping me if you need help enabling/disabling/adjusting dates/%. (Not for translations :) ) — xaosflux ^Talk 14:55, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Xaosflux. Could you please open the French questionnaire, for 14 days? Be careful, I've changed the link, see here, as we are using a landing page, which is better seen in France (we can also do it for other languages, but I don't know how to do it, I must say). Jullienn (talk) 09:51, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn french has been activated for 2 weeks, at 30%. Please check and let me know if any technical issues. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:20, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Xaosflux, you have kept the old address for the banner. It's ok, it works. However, I would prefer that you to change the address (my fault, I've not changed on the research page the number is 462711 instead of 487863. So the link is https://questionnaires.marsouin.org/index.php/462711 (still trying to optimize the presentation of the questionnaire and the delays). But I would prefer that the banner has this link: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Enqu%C3%AAte_sur_les_lecteurs_de_Wikip%C3%A9dia_2023 if you don't mind Jullienn (talk) 09:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn can you get someone at frwiki to at least put move protection on that page if we are going to put it in a CN? — xaosflux ^Talk 10:02, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn in either case, the 'landingpage' variable is translatable, so you can update that by translating the banner (https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Centralnotice-tgroup-readerssurvey2023banner&task=view&language=fr&filter=&action=translate try this link). — xaosflux ^Talk 10:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the "translation" link. I've changed the questionnaire address (still direct access). I'll talk with the administrators of fr-wikipedia for the landing page Jullienn (talk) 10:15, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I asked... But @Martin-78 said they would do it only if it's attacked (it's fr-wikiepdia policy). See here Jullienn (talk) 10:12, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

And, if you could start the Ukrainian Wikipedia, also for 14 days, that would be awsome... But not before Tuesday afternoon (CET), we have yet some corrections to make. (Thank you in advance!!!) Jullienn (talk) 15:11, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Please ping when action is ready. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:20, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello again, @Xaosflux. I ping you for opening the uk. I think I've succeeded in preparing the banner, hope that helps! Jullienn (talk) 13:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn it appears this campaign needs to be built still. What is the duration and % exposure requested? — xaosflux ^Talk 13:45, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Xaosflux Ah, sorry for that. Tell me how I can help. Duration: 14 days (always 14 days), and exposure 50% is good. Would you mind changing the French's questionnaire number (462711 instead of 487863)? I did it in the banner edition, but as you've said, it's not automatic Jullienn (talk) 13:51, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn as far as I know that has to be done via the translation. — xaosflux ^Talk 23:15, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, yes, I did the modification for the French, but... I has not changed the banner published...

Another question: have you unpluggued the banner on the en wikipedia? (because it is only 12 days, as it has been started June, 2nd) Jullienn (talk) 07:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I think this was addressed below. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the uk one, I've created the campaign (Surveying readers and contributors to Wikipedia 2023 uk), however it is not activated. It does not appear that the banner has been translated to Ukrainian yet. Someone will need to do that. — xaosflux ^Talk 23:16, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Xaosflux Do you see this translation for the uk Wikipedia: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Centralnotice-tgroup-readerssurvey2023banner&task=view&language=uk&filter=&action=proofread? Jullienn (talk) 07:04, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn uk has been launched. For translations, you need to have your translations reviewed just like any other page before it can be used in a banner. Please ensure that is completed for future ones as well. I'm not the best resource for this, if something needs to be just toggled on or off, especially if there is an urgent technical problem I'm a good one to ping - but for entire campaign support another CNAdmin may be better for you. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:00, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Xaosflux. We have made the translation review, of course, but I'll double check that for the italian, spanish and portuguese which are to be opened.

If you had some time, could you check for the French why the new address is not taken into account? and do you think we could replug the English for two more days? (if yes, ping me first, I would change the address as I want to do a test) Jullienn (talk) 10:11, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn I just looked at MediaWiki:Centralnotice-readerssurvey2023banner-landingpage/fr the translation update was submitted (change from 978939 to 462711) but the translation was not marked as reviewed to have it published. Who completed the translation review process? The translation publication process needs to be completed before the central notice can make use of it. I just marked it reviewed in the translation system and now the banner shows the new value in the banner interface. Does it look correct for you now? — xaosflux ^Talk 10:22, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, yes, thank you -> so I've changed but it has to be validated by an admin, I think Jullienn (talk) 10:27, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I extended English to 2023-06-17. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:23, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Super! Jullienn (talk) 10:28, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Xaosflux. Everything goes fine. There is a last questionnaire to launch this week, just when the English is finished. I don't know if you can program it in advance, but it's the Italian (banner translated, checked, but need to be validated).

So it would be a start the 17th (2023-06-17), for 14 days, exposure: 50%

The next (and most probably the last) ones would be the 28th Jullienn (talk) 07:25, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn I accepted your translations, waiting for them to sync to the banner system. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:20, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

The it version is scheduled to go live. — xaosflux ^Talk 20:19, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

thank you! Jullienn (talk) 06:29, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Xaosflux, here is the optimum schedule for us for the three last languages (at least before the summer break; I am discussing with people willing to translate the questionnaire in Dutch and Chinese, but it is not done, so it'll wait):

• Portuguese pt starting the 26th (2023-06-26) for 14 days with an exposure of 30%
• Spanish es starting the 27th (2023-06-27) for 14 days with an exposure of 30%
• German de starting the 28th (2023-06-28) for 14 days with an exposure of 20% (once the French is finished)

All the 3 banners have been reviewed as far as the language is concerned, but not validated, at least for the German. Thanks again! PS: > 5500 complete answers for the English, not bad --Jullienn (talk) 15:21, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn you may need to track down a translation administrator first then. You can ping me again here after the banner translations are done, I don't have time to work on them myself. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

ok, thank you. In my remembering es and pt have been checked when there were the first launched. I am looking for how to track down a translation administrator Jullienn (talk) 07:23, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Xaosflux, sorry, finally I am not sure I understand well. So the three banners have been reviewed, but not put in the validated level by a translation administrator. Is it what you mean by tracking down? Jullienn (talk) 14:00, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Translation help can be sought at Meta talk:Babylon. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:03, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Xaosflux. So the banners have been reviewed by translation administrators; however they tell me they cannot "publish" them. I am guessing it is connected with the publication of the banner online, right? And that can be done only by you? If it's the case, you can start the three last campains when you want. I reput what I've put supra for easiness.

• Portuguese pt starting the 27th (2023-06-27) for 14 days with an exposure of 30%
• Spanish es starting the 27th (2023-06-27) for 14 days with an exposure of 30% (if possible some hours later that pt)
• German de starting the 28th (2023-06-28) for 14 days with an exposure of 20% (once the Italian is finished)

Jullienn (talk) 07:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I'll try to look in to this later today. I don't normally run campaigns, just make technical adjustments to them. — xaosflux ^Talk 09:51, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I know, I know, and I thank you so much for your time! Jullienn (talk) 09:53, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn I was able to "publish" the translations, so they are in to the banner now. Looks like campaigns need to be built or updated still. (Any other CNAdmin is welcome to work on that too!) — xaosflux ^Talk 10:00, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Xaosflux Should I sollicite them? The list is here, right? Jullienn (talk) 10:24, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

If this isn't the last batch, perhaps you can ask at Talk:CentralNotice to see if someone wants to volunteer to manage the rest of these campaigns. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Xaosflux actually, it's the last batch (if I had other languages, it would be in September at the earliest, and I consider it would be another campaign, I would open another central request) Jullienn (talk) 14:05, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn es, pt, and de have been scheduled to run. If they are malfunctioning please let me know. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:48, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

everything works fine for the time being!

a big thank! I'll let you know about the German, but I don't see why it would not work as well Jullienn (talk) 07:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

German has started as scheduled, everything seems fine! Jullienn (talk) 14:27, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@Xaosflux would it too much to ask you to postpone the German by one week (stop it and restart it next wednesday (5th) for 14 days, still at 20%. In summary, changing just the starting date for the banner, still with an exposure of 20%? Because I have the impression that the French and the Italian are still responding - finishing filling in the started questionnaires, and it adds a bit too much to the serveur. If you don't have the time, leave it as it is... Jullienn (talk) 15:14, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn I changed the run cycle to 2023-07-05 to 2023-07-19. — xaosflux ^Talk 15:21, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

thank you very much! Jullienn (talk) 15:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

The Spanish translation of this survey is no bueno

Hello! I don't know who is in charge of this survey, but the Spanish translation doesn't make sense. It's poorly put together and there were questions I was barely able to understand. This needs to be reviewed before running a banner, it makes Wikipedia look really bad. Scann (talk) 22:06, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@Scann just to verify, is the text of the banner OK, but the text on the external survey what the problem is? — xaosflux ^Talk 22:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Xaosflux. I did not answer directly, waiting for precisions. Did you have any feedback from scann? People seem to answer well to the Spanish questionnaire (and to the German).

Less answers for the Portuguese, though. Maybe because of this campain: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Projeto_Mais_Teoria_da_Hist%C3%B3ria_na_Wiki/Mais_Povos_Origin%C3%A1rios

Do you think possible to extend the banner presentation for pt? (so let our campain run until the end of July, or at least 10 days after the 17th?) Jullienn (talk) 09:10, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@Jullienn I pushed it to 2023-07-19, same as de; it has been on a while and it is time to start wrapping this up. That other one is region-locked, so may have some impact - there are other all/all banners on that may be getting seen still. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

thank you!

(and you are right for the wrapping things up!)

Nicolas Jullienn (talk) 10:56, 10 July 2023 (UTC)