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Substituting welcome template[edit]

Hi, all. I would like to ask for input from the community about the issue of substituting the {{welcome}} template on user talk pages. My bot was approved and has been running this task for years but @Billinghurst: now objects saying that this task is without value. (Full discussion is included below.) Please comment on whether I should continue to run this task or stop the bot. Thank you. --Meno25 (talk) 15:33, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

I personally don't substitute the welcome template when I use it, because I appreciate being able to update links a nd translations later. --Nemo 16:15, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment Comment Pretty much what I was saying. A 2007 bot approval looked at with fresh eyes. I don't doubt that it was approved in 2007, a few wiki-generations ago, relatively early in meta-age, and as a process imported from a single language wiki (enWP). I simply don't see that this old process has value.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:52, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
    • Merits of the argument aside, you come off as really hostile and aggressive in your comments to Meno25, in my opinion. I really applaud Meno25 for not replying in-kind and instead being helpful, constructive, and reasonable, explaining how the current situation came to be and offering to reëxamine the previous decisions made. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:07, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
  • As noted above, we've traditionally substituted all talk page templates, welcome templates included, to preserve the messages as they were at the time of delivery. Does anybody care about preserving the messages as they were? If not, we should change the default guideline to not substitute talk page templates and individual users can choose to substitute on their own talk pages at their own discretion. If we do want to try to preserve the messages as they were delivered, substituting by default makes some sense.

    I can see arguments both ways, but I don't think either view is that crazy. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:10, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

  • I, too, see arguments both ways. I'm inclined to side with those who don't want to substitute, because to the extent that the information in the welcome template should continue to be useful the template might have to update from time to time. But I could see wanting the record to reflect the time of the posting, too. In my mind, the only thing one needs to be careful about is this: If we are not going to substitute the template, then the user or bot that leaves the template needs to sign the talk page outside the template. I'd like there to be an accurate record of when the edit itself was made. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:52, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Here at meta there is a bot that adds the template signs and outside the template. I know that I sign outside of the template. We also have a history for each user page and welcome messages typically are added at or about the time of the account creation, never before, and hardly ever a long time after. Further, since when and with what regularity have we actually done a post-mortem analysis of a user talk page to see what message someone was given prior to reflecting on someone's editing behaviour? So we have a requirement that is actually useful on a very rare occasions, compared with a modern, active welcome message that would be useful pretty well every day, especially with low traffic, low archiving talk pages of users.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:27, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Edit the text of a banner[edit]

Hi there,

Could someone please edit the text 2 in French in Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/wle_2017_ch?

It should be informez-vous, not informez vous.

Thanks. --Thibaut120094 (talk) 17:16, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Already fixed by Linedwell and I marked it as "published" so it goes live. Stryn (talk) 17:28, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. --Thibaut120094 (talk) 19:26, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Module:Protection banner/config[edit]

I think we need to customize Module:Protection banner/config to avoid the Module to output very specific enwiki links and categories. Unfortunately I do not know Lua so I am leaving this here and maybe anyone can have a look at it. Thanks, —MarcoAurelio 22:15, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Ping[edit]

Why did this edit notify me? The edit-summary tells it was a revert of me, but my change to the page was not affected at all by this edit. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 11:34, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Not at all? But the ip reverted your edit (where I can't understand your edit summary). Stryn (talk) 16:03, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Strange! This is what I intended to do! -- Innocent bystander (talk) 09:10, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Some user scripts and gadgets will break on Meta during July[edit]

The MediaWiki devs have been slowly improving the accessibility of the user interface. The next step in this transition will change the appearance of some buttons and may break some outdated (non-updated or unmaintained) user scripts and gadgets.

Most editors will only notice that some buttons are slightly larger and have different colors:

You can see and use the old and new versions now. These links will take you to Meta's sandbox page, but the same approach works at all WMF wikis.

However, this change also affects some user scripts and gadgets. Unfortunately, some of them may not work well in the new system and will need to be updated. If you maintain any user scripts or gadgets that are used for editing, please see mw:Contributors/Projects/Accessible editing buttons for information on how to test and fix your scripts. Outdated scripts can be tested and fixed now.

This change has already been deployed to the Persian and Polish Wikipedias. This change will probably reach Meta on Wednesday, 5 July 2017, along with several other larger Wikipedias. Later in July, it will reach other Wikipedias (including the English and German Wikipedias), and then other sites (e.g., the Wikisources and Commons) after that.

Please leave a message at mw:Talk:Contributors/Projects/Accessible editing buttons if you have any questions. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:28, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Two days until this happens. Please mention/ping/notify me if you have questions or need help. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:51, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Whatamidoing (WMF): Thanks for the notification. Unfortunately it seems all our mantainers are either gone or in vacation. Scripts on Meta ain't regularly mantained so I'm not sure how many of them will crash with the update. Is there a way to test how many of them would? Regards, —MarcoAurelio 21:49, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi Marco,
There's no way to test all the (hundreds of? thousands of?) scripts on Meta en masse. However, if you go to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Sandbox?action=submit&ooui=1 and try to edit (using whatever scripts/gadgets you have installed), then you can find out whether any of the scripts you personally use are working. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:45, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done This just happened. If stuff's broken, please let everyone know. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:16, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Using Phabricator to report bugs and plan updates on Meta-Wiki gadgets[edit]

I propose that we do what Wikidata did and use Phabricator to report bugs and plan improvements in our Gadgets. Few of us know how to code, debug, etc. a Gadget. Maybe having a central place stuff like that can be reported and worked upon would be a good idea? Regards, —MarcoAurelio 22:18, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

  • If some sysop here wants to fix Meta-Wiki gadgets and feels like they'd do better with an issue tracker, sure. --Nemo 08:09, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Same as Nemo. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:36, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Given that currently there's no central place where to track this kind of technical requests, I'm in favor of Phabricator. I am not a JS/CSS expert, but for very simple things I might be able to give a hand. —MarcoAurelio 20:35, 10 July 2017 (UTC)