Requests for new languages/Wikinews Literary Chinese

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikinews Literary Chinese
submitted verification final decision
Process-stop.svg This proposal has been rejected.
This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

A committee member provided the following comment:

As noted below, LPP specifically excludes projects in historical languages other than Wikisource projects. LangCom has no interest in making an exception for this. See also one other closing comment below. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:46, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code lzh (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Literary Chinese Language name in English
Language name 文言文 Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q37041 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Classical Chinese
  • native label (P1705) = 文言
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = written language, historical language / written Chinese language
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) = zh-classical, lzh
  • writing system (P282) = Chinese characters
  • number of speakers (P1098) =


Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name "Wikinews" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikinews talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:... 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone Asia/Taipei "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Proposal[edit]

Literary Chinese as a language is spoken in Mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau and some other countries with the script Han.

Arguments

Literary Chinese is one of the offical language of Mainland China and Taiwan and the second official language of Hong Kong. It is a nationally recognised language in Macau. It is also spoken in Malaysia, Singapore, United Nations and APEC. Literary Chinese is 8th most spoken language in India and 3rd most spoken language in China. It is spoken by 6 million speakers all over the world. Literary Chinese should be added in Wikinews so the Literary Chinese speakers also can utilise the wiki.

Discussion[edit]

  • A little Oppose, because of the rejected Requests for new languages/Wikinews Latin, I don't think that Wikinews in historical languages are eventually allowed. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
    • As Steven mentioned in [1], this test project is likely to be rejected, but I would still love to mention the major contributions @Davidzdh, 丁子君, and Yanteng3: to let them say if they're having interests or not. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 21:52, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support,I'm administrator at Literary Chinese Wikipedia.Students must study Literary Chinese in China.I think this project could be creative.--WAN233 (talk) 22:29, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Wikinews is a mordern languages coordination project, not suitable for ancient, extinct and/or historical languages. --117.15.55.255 01:16, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Literary Chinese has been learned and written until now. And we have the confidence to build Wikinews Literary Chinese well. - I am Davidzdh, an administrator of Literary Chinese Wikipedia, 15:33, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support As we can see in the zh-classicalwp, the Wikimedians using Literary Chinese is a highly active community, and their interest and will to contribute on recent events is abundant enough to support the lzhwn. --丁子君, an admin of Classical Chinese Wikipedia (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
    • It is also worthy to mention that, the 維基大典:世事 is a project currently within the zh-classicalwp that is written under the form of Wikinews, and its establishment has been supported by all admins in its request to be written in its current form. Currently it has 9 pages and is to be expected to continue to be active. --丁子君 (talk) 16:16, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
      • @丁子君: I'm confused by your explains, what exactly are you asking for? To let this project migrated from Literary Chinese Wikipedia, so in potential there will have lzh.wikinews.org if one day policy re-allows this? Or just contribute at Wikipedia as a combined project is enough, and the Incubator test project is weird? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:14, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
        • @Liuxinyu970226: I apologize for not explaining this clearly enough. I was trying to say that if lzhwn project is established, there will be enough contributors and contributions; As for the project within the zh-classicalwp, migrating to the incubator could be an option, as long as there is a possibility that the incubator project would be created some day.--丁子君 (talk) 22:20, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Oppose If Latin can even not have a Wikinews per langcom policy, then why for lzh? --2409:8902:9021:3DF1:A3DD:8834:8A97:9962 03:23, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Comment CommentThere is no doubt that this proposal will be rejected by the language committee because it's not conform to the Language proposal policy#Specific issues: "ANCIENT OR HISTORICAL LANGUAGES: ONLY WIKISOURCE wikis in ancient or historical languages ARE ACCEPTED".--el caballero de los Leones (talk) 04:03, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Closing comment[edit]

To be transparent, WMF is not walking away from Wikinews as a concept at all. But to be equally transparent, Wikinews projects tend to be especially difficult to maintain. For that reason, LangCom is particularly reluctant to consider policy exceptions for Wikinews projects. My personal recommendation is to continue to run the news subproject (lzh:分類:既刊) that you mentioned above and let it thrive there. If it truly becomes big enough within the lzh Wikipedia that you think it should be spun off, LangCom may be willing to consider that question at that point in time. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:46, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Note: there are only a few pages in the test project on Incubator. But if you'd like to have them moved into the lzh Wikipedia somewhere, we can arrange that. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:46, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.