Talk:Wikimedia Foundation/Communications/Wikimedia brands/2030 movement brand project/Naming survey feedback report

Legal limits to using the "foundation" word

Hi, can we double-check if these legal limits to using the term "foundation" are real? I am asking because I originally believed this to be true for Germany as well but then found out that there are a number of "foundations" in Germany that exist under different legal regimes and that my acssumption about such limitations under German law was incorrect. --Gnom (talk) 17:32, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback @Gnom! Based on the feedback we received, the legal situation around the possibility of using “Foundation” in affiliate names varies from one place to another . In addition, we’ve seen feedback that some affiliates would like to establish distinction between their name and the Wikimedia Foundation name to avoid confusion on the independence of their affiliate. --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk)

Hi Selsharbaty (WMF), my request would be to double-check whether the feedback that you have received about the legal situations in various juridictions concerning the possibility of using “Foundation” in affiliate names are actually correct. It could be that people are just assuming non-existent limitations (like I used to do). --Gnom (talk) 09:23, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Gnom, we will look into this. Also, would you be interested in speaking to the Brand Project team more about this? As a specialist we would love to hear more about your understandings of this area. If yes, please email me at ezar@wikimedia.org. Thanks! --EZar (WMF) (talk)

Sure, but I can of course only speak about the situation under German law. --Gnom (talk) 11:13, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Majority of respondents male

I think its misleading to say "High majority of respondents (72.5%) identified as male" without putting it into context of what portion of the underlying population (of Wikimedia contributors) is male. The current wording implies (especially to a lay reader) that men were more likely to respond to the survey. However according to Community Insights/2018 Report/Contributors 90% of wikipedians identify as male, which implies non-males responded to this survey at a much higher rate than expected. This is the opposite of what a naive reading of the demographics summary would imply. Bawolff (talk) 06:06, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for flagging this, @Bawolff. We have updated that section. --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk)

No mentioning of the inherent bias of the survey

The Survey was totally biased towards the wanted outcome of something with Wikipedia, it was not allowed as a mass message because of this inreparable bias. I fail to see any mentioning of this inherent bias in the feedback report, the report looks as if the survey was in some sense really useful. It was not, it was intended to be biased and distorted, and the report made this intention of the small group of renamers clear again. It fits in the pattern of distortion by this small group of renamers, they did so before with their false survey numbers, their wrong slides and so on, why should the community trust this obviously completely detached group for anything in this regard any longer? They have their own agenda and don't care about the community, that much is completely clear. Grüße vom Sänger ♫^(Reden) 12:53, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Confusions

I wanted to quickly put on the record and acknowledge that there were many reports from people filling out the survey that I talked with (arguably a biased sample) that they were very confused about the way questions were phrased, and that they were unsure if their questions were correctly interpreted. For that reason, it may be good to publish the raw questions along the presentation, to make sure that people can appreciate the complex question structure. Effeietsanders (talk) 17:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Effeietsanders! Thanks for flagging the reports on confusion you heard. The survey questions are available on meta for comparison when needed. --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk)