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Add A cappella, remove Rapping

The list includes Hip hop music and Rapping, which are closely related concepts. Within the same category, there are already three (male American) hip hop musicians and also B-boying. I propose swapping "Rapping" for A cappella, a concept that is both historical and contemporary and not tied to any specific culture. This change would also help reduce the UScentric bias. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 12:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Support Theklan (talk) 12:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Support Xefon (talk) 03:33, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

 Support, redundancy should be minimized. Deinocheirus (talk) 16:58, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Done, 4 votes in favor (including the topicstarter), none against, over 2 months without any changes. --Deinocheirus (talk) 17:07, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Add Rigoberta Menchú (Q188620), remove James K. Polk (Q11891)

We don't have any woman from Central America, and Menchú is also a Nobel Prize winner. Polk is the less known US president on the list, we have too many men and too much US subjects on the list. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 14:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Support Reprarina (talk) 14:24, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose Polk declared war on Mexico, annexed many territories and transformed the United States into a world power; Menchu ​​opposed a dictatorship in Guatemala (not even a regional power), helped refugees and won 3% in a presidential election. --Algovia (talk) 20:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

"won 3% in a presidential election" Not a relevant argument. We are talking about a person who wrote her name into history by drawing attention to genocide and achieving recognition of the rights of indigenous peoples at the UN level, despite opposition from the most economically powerful country.. This is an event of historic proportions. And there are too many US politicians on the list, as well as US citizens in general. Reprarina (talk) 23:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

If the historical events are relevant, then we have "Mexican–American War" and "New Imperialism" in the list, which cover that era. Menchú is a Nobel Laureate, and it would be the only woman from Central America in the list, and one of the few American indigenous person at all. Theklan (talk) 06:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Camelia (talk) 17:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose --Toku (talk) 12:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose Per Algovia. --Novaria85 (talk) 22:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

 Support Xefon (talk) 03:36, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

•  Oppose Polk's presidency was extremely significant. A war was fought, another was avoided and amount of land larger than most countries changed hands. And, I'm sorry, but "we need a woman from Central America" is exceedingly niche. Purplebackpack89 14:22, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Not done There's no consensus. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 20:18, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

Add Moro conflict, remove Moro Islamic Liberation Front

The importance of the Islamist organization Moro Islamic Liberation Front is quite secondary to the civil war in which this organization participated. The importance of Moro Islamic Liberation Front is also clearly inferior to much more internationally known Islamist organizations (ISIS, Taliban, Hamas), which are not included in the list. In general, having weighed various criteria (the need to maintain the globality of the list, the need for high importance of the items included in the list), I propose to add an article about the conflict in the Philippines, which lasted 50 years and took the lives of about 100,000 people, and to remove from the list the organization that participated in the conflict.--Reprarina (talk) 07:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

 Support -- Cataleirxs (talk) 15:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

 Oppose It's better, but I'm not sure Moro conflict should be in the list. --Novaria85 (talk) 22:59, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

 Support --Toku (talk) 15:34, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

 Support Xefon (talk) 03:44, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

There is general consensus. Done Reprarina (talk) 20:12, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

The problem with Aladdin (protagonist) in the list

Aladdin as a character does not arouse desire in Wikipedia users in different languages to create a separate article about him. They mostly make page Aladdin (protagonist) to be redirect to the fairy tale or do not write the article about him at all. Sinbad the Sailor is doing better, he interests Wikipedia users as a character, and people write about him, not about The Seven Voyages of Sinbad.

On the other hand, we can replace Aladdin (protagonist) with the tale of Aladdin. Either way, the article Aladdin (protagonist) seems to me to be an unfortunate choice in the list.--Reprarina (talk) 06:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps influenced by the vote just above, but I propose replacing Aladdin with Godzilla (Q6567) -- Cataleirxs (talk) 14:01, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

 Support Xefon (talk) 03:46, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

 Oppose to Godzilla (Q6567) Minoo (talk) 23:05, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

Add Indo-Aryan languages, remove Assamese language

It seems to me that there is some contradiction in the list: there are many Indo-Aryan languages, including relatively small ones (such as Assamese language), but there is no entire language group Indo-Aryan languages (although there are four other Indo-European groups). Meanwhile, this language group is ahead of other Indo-European groups in the number of speakers, and is unlikely to lag behind in the diversity of different dialects.--Reprarina (talk) 14:28, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

1.  Support Per Reprarina. --Novaria85 (talk) 22:38, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

 Support Xefon (talk) 03:59, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Done Reprarina (talk) 02:58, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Add Dirac equation, remove Hydrogen-like atom

Judging by the process of writing articles in different languages, it can be said that the article about the Dirac equation has more priority than the article about the Hydrogen-like atom, because the Dirac equation has more language sections, and the Hydrogen-like atom article, when written, largely consists of a description of the Dirac equation.--Reprarina (talk) 05:05, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

 Support Xefon (talk) 03:59, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Done Reprarina (talk) 20:16, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

Add Pau Gasol, remove Dražen Petrović

While Petrović was an incredible talent and a pioneer for European basketball, Gasol’s legacy in both European and NBA basketball is higher. He is a multiple-time NBA All-Star, NBA champion, and one of the best international for almost 15 years.

In case you're thinking that Dirk Nowitzki is a better option: the German has been an transformative power forward with strong individual statistics, but Gasol has stood out for leading his teammates to multiple successes, a key factor in a team sport. While Nowitzki has just one NBA championship ring and a bronze medal in the FIBA Basketball World Championship, Gasol has won 2 NBA Finals, is a World Champion, has 3 Olympic medals, and 7 more in the European Basketball Championship. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 15:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

•  Support -Theklan (talk) 22:11, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
•  Oppose Petrović is an inaugural inductee of FIBA Hall of Fame which speaks a lot about his legacy: they had a century-long list of players but they decided to induct him, along with several others. He also has some historical statistical records that are unlikely to be beaten in the foreseeable future, such as 112 points in a single match. Some of their other accomplishments are similar: both were world champions once, world championship MVPs once; Gasol is a three-time European champion while Petrović won it only once but this single time he also was voted an MVP while Gasol doesn't have this title. Gasol is indeed a 2-time NBA champion but there he was one of the many good players in a great team, not an undisputable leader and superstar (Kobe Bryant was both times); Petrović, while not playing a lot in NBA due to the Iron curtain, won European Champions Cup (now Euroleague) also twice, but with a team that has never done it before or after him. So overall I don't find the arguments convincing. --Deinocheirus (talk) 15:32, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
•  Oppose First off, Dirk should be listed before Pau. Second, if we only have 2,000 bios, neither Pau, Drazen nor Dirk should be listed Purplebackpack89 14:25, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Not done There is no consensus. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 20:19, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

Add Bell beaker culture (Q470867), remove Dacians (Q212853)

We have two very similar articles, one for Dacia, the other one for Dacians. Well, technically they are not the same, but they overlap notoriously. However, there's a wide Western and Central European culture which shaped the continent for some centuries, the Bell beaker culture (Q470867), which have articles in 44 languages, and adds very interesting links to other topics and articles. Theklan (talk) 22:01, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

 Support --Toku (talk) 15:32, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

 Support Xefon (talk) 04:02, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

 Support -- Cataleirxs (talk) 19:13, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

 Support, indeed an unnecessary topic duplication. --Deinocheirus (talk) 13:49, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

Done, 4 unopposed votes for swap, no change since August. --Deinocheirus (talk) 03:27, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Add Mount Kailash (Q229107), remove Mount Logan (Q120306)

Kailash is a sacred and important site for several religions, including Tibetan Buddhism and Hinduism. Mount Logan is a highest mountain in Canada, but its significance is not so high. --Xefon (talk) 07:33, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

1.  Support Indeed. --Algovia (talk) 07:44, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
2.  Support -- Cataleirxs (talk) 14:26, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Please, can we close this proposal? The bot is trying to archive it. Thanks. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 20:17, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

cc @Theklan:, @Reprarina:, please. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 16:33, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

Add Prometheus, remove Orion

Prometheus is a much more famous character of Greek mythology than Orion.

Prometheus has 91 language sections, Orion has only 62.

Readers' interest in Prometheus is significantly higher 1, 2.--Reprarina (talk) 07:09, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

1.  Support - Prometheus as a mythological (and later a literary) figure is way more important than Orion. --Deinocheirus (talk) 03:14, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
2.  Support --Thi (talk) 22:39, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
3.  Support --Barcelona (talk) 09:30, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Done. Reprarina (talk) 17:57, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Remove Tim Duncan

With only 2,000 bios and relatively small number of basketball players, and even fewer Americans (Tim was born in an American possession but played collegiately in the contential US), I don't see how Tim still belongs. He's rarely listed as one of the five greatest or most influential basketball players Purplebackpack89 14:29, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps LeBron James would be a better fit. He is an all-time top scorer in the history of NBA and a 4-time NBA MVP while Duncan got this title only twice. Deinocheirus (talk) 03:33, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Support removal. --Thi (talk) 22:38, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

•  Oppose you should propose swaping items, not removing. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 16:22, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

Support swap with en:James Naismith Dawid2009 (talk) 19:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

Add Computer file, remove Nuclear engineering

Computer file is one of the basic concepts of computer science. Why is it not in the list? But we have two very close themes: nuclear engineering and Nuclear technology. Tucvbif (talk) 07:02, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

•  Support per nom. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 16:17, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

Done No opposition for six month.--Tucvbif (talk) 05:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

Add Saraswati, remove Argonauts

Having the Argonauts on the list seems questionable to me, if only because Argonauts it's something in between a list and an article. In any case, I doubt that both Jason and the Argonauts should be on the list simultaneously, and I don't think Jason should be excluded.

The reason I think it makes sense to change the Argonauts to Saraswati is that Saraswati is a very fundamental deity for a huge number of Asian cultures, and is also the prototype of the East Asian Buddhist and Shintoist goddess Benzaiten. The article on Saraswati has more views on the English Wikipedia (1) and more language sections than the articles about Jason and Argonauts. For some reason, the list doesn't include many Hindu deities, and is overly Grecocentric. Saraswati is at least one of the most encyclopedically significant deities of Hinduism who is not included in the list.--Reprarina (talk) 01:56, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

•  Oppose. Swap with Jason is better option. --Thi (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
•  Comment I would swap it for Jason, as proposed above. -Theklan (talk) 13:20, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

Done Swapped for Jason. -Theklan (talk) 07:51, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

Colors

Articles about colors are about everything but optics: art, society, symbolism, chemistry, etc. It's mostly about art, not physics. We should move the whole group into the «Arts/Concepts and forms» chapter. Tucvbif (talk) 08:11, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

Done No opposition for three month. Tucvbif (talk) 08:53, 7 January 2026 (UTC)

Add Friedrich Merz, remove Olaf Scholz

Olaf Scholz is listed under “current political leaders” for Germany. However, Friedrich Merz has been the German chancellor since May 6, 2025. That is why he should be listed there. KimKelting • talk 20:32, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Done. Changes to the list of 13 "current" positions do not require discussion. Reprarina (talk) 07:11, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Add Tattooing, remove Body art

Tatoooing is more common and ancient type of art, than a theme, described in the Body art article. Tucvbif (talk) 09:16, 7 January 2026 (UTC)

 Support -Theklan (talk) 20:16, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Done No opposition in two months. -Theklan (talk) 20:16, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

 Oppose I have reverted the change, because tattoo was already in the list. -Theklan (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

Add phlogiston theory (Q120999319), remove phlogiston (Q193353)

11 out of 32 interwikis from phlogiston (Q193353) direct to phlogiston theory (Q120999319), denoting that the theory is more representative than the substance. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 20:48, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

 Support - Theklan (talk) 13:16, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

Done No oppsition for nearly two months. -Theklan (talk) 20:12, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Remove childhood (Q276258), add Orcus (Q15603)

Despite childhood (Q276258) being a category, many languages are redirecting it to child (Q7569), which covers more or less the same topic, and is part of the core 1000 articles list. Some languages with both articles are covering the same topic in both articles. I suggest to add Orcus (Q15603), as all the other main dwarf planets in the Solar System are in the list. Theklan (talk) 13:19, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

Done No opposition in six weeks. -Theklan (talk) 20:19, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Remove Gila monster (Q207058), add gecko (Q1008888)

The only reason for Gila monster (Q207058) to be in the list is that it lives in the US and its poisonous. Not the largest reptile, not widespread. I would change it for gecko (Q1008888), an important subdivision of the reptiles that lives in every continent except Antarctica, and gives option to add lots of links to other taxons. Theklan (talk) 19:58, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Error in the counts

From ca.wiki we’ve noticed that there seem to be errors in the counts by topic and in the overall total. Could you please take a look and check it?:

Topic	Yours	Real
People	1943	1943
History	800	802
Geography	1000	1000
Arts	974	974
Philosophy and religion	393	393
Anthropology, psychology...	138	138
Society and social sciences	1006	1005
Biology and health sciences	1092	1092
Physical sciences	1298	1298
Technology	1055	1055
Mathematics	300	300
Total	9999	10000

Thanks -- Cataleirxs (talk) 10:33, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

I don't know where the error is. Could you try to look for the missing articles? Theklan (talk) 19:02, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Theklan, I release you my script to count all 10k items into lists. I'm working to retrieve the miscount. First run the run method, and then run only the read_item_list (some ajustment in wikicode are need to show results better in a metawiki page). Coet (talk) 14:46, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

I think that the mismatch comes from tattooing, that was twice in the list. I have corrected it reverting the change. Theklan (talk) 15:04, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

@Theklan, there is a discrepancy in the item counts written in the section headers. The issue isn't the articles themselves, but the numbers provided after the comma. Specifically:

• In History, the header says 800, but there are actually 802 items.
• In Society and social sciences, it says 1006, but the real count is 1005.

These errors lead to a total sum of 9,999, while the actual count is exactly 10,000 items. I could update these numbers myself, but I’d prefer someone with a deeper understanding of the quotas and the overall structure of the 10K list to verify and apply the changes. Coet (talk) 17:15, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

Take a look on the results of my script. Coet (talk) 19:34, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

Done Coet (talk) 10:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Remove Grendel (Q29372), add Huitzilopochtli (Q219412)

Having Grendel (Q29372), which is a character of Beowulf, already present in the list is not justified. We don't have articles about American religions, and Huitzilopochtli (Q219412), the main Aztecan deity, is a good candidate. Theklan (talk) 19:05, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

•  Weak support. Two entries on Beowulf are definitely too many. It is an important epic poem, but we only have 1 entry for both Roland and Nibelungenlied, and they are no less notable. One more American deity would be a reasonable replacement, although we may need to discuss separately which (Huitzilopochtli would be a second Aztec deity, so Viracocha may be a better choice). --Deinocheirus (talk) 18:11, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

Remove Ganymede (Q131588), add Viracocha (Q209605)

We have lots of items related to the Greek mythology and literature, and Ganymede (Q131588) seems quite secondary in the list. However, Viracocha (Q209605) was the main Inca deity, creator of the world. We should add at least one deity from South America. Theklan (talk) 19:07, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Remove Hephaestus (Q44384), add Quetzalcoatl (Q179818)

There are currently two lists of greek mythology and characters, but no Aztec gods. Quetzalcoatl (Q179818) is a very important god, with lots of representations. More diversity should be added to the mythology and religion section. Theklan (talk) 19:11, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

•  Oppose: Quetzalcoatl (Q179818) is already in the list. --Deinocheirus (talk) 18:05, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

Remove Marriage of convenience, add Same-sex marriage

Marriage of convenience is not well defined and in fact cannot even be translated to many languages which is attested by the small number of interwiki links (27 in total). On the other hand, same-sex marriage is better covered by special (scientific and legal) literature and is a higher-interest, higher-social-importance topic. Currently the item exists in over 90 languages and is usually well developed. Deinocheirus (talk) 18:04, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

• Support. --Thi (talk) 20:10, 3 April 2026 (UTC)

Remove Solar energy, add Fuel cell

We already have another article that shared the same theme — solar power. I think fuel cells deserved to be in the list. Tucvbif (talk) 15:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

• Agree, Solar energy and Solar power look redundant. But Solar energy looks like much more important topic, 114 articles in different languages while Solar power only has 45. So replacing Solar power seems like a better option. --Deinocheirus (talk) 15:25, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

Remove Geothermal energy, add Rechargeable battery

Geothermal is a very specific and not widely used type of energy. A rechargeable battery is a crucial part of many electronic devices, from smartphones to electric vehicles. Tucvbif (talk) 15:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

Remove Flat panel display, add Headphone

An overview of «anything but cathode ray tube» display technologies. Now, when bulky cathode ray tubes became obsolete, the problem of how to make displays flat is irrelevant. I think headphones would be a better option to be in the list. Tucvbif (talk) 16:19, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

Multiple mythology characters swap

Inspired by the proposals above to remove a number of Greek deities and demigods and replace them with Native American deities, I have prepared a short list of central deities in different pantheons that can be added to the list replacing another short list of Greco-Roman mythology characters. We can support or oppose any specific item in each list, and in the end only replace the worst-faring characters in the second list with the leaders of the first one. Here it goes.

Add Marduk (Q190123)

Patron deity of Babylon, currently has articles in 67 languages. As opposed to Egyptian, Norse and Greco-Roman mythology, the Sumerian, Accadian or Babylonian mythology is completely absent from the list, except for Epic of Gilgamesh (Q8272) which obviously belongs to a different category (Literature). Given the importance of Babylonian culture in the human history, it seems natural to have their topmost deities in the list. Deinocheirus (talk) 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Add Tiamat (Q145983)

The main antagonist of Marduk, who used her body to create elements of the cosmos. Less-known (articles in 47 languages) but it would seem logical to add them together rather than Marduk alone. Deinocheirus (talk) 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Add Loki (Q133147)

The trickster god of the Norse mythology, articles in 74 languages. Although we have some Norse gods on the list, Loki is arguably the most popular right now, or at least takes a top-2 spot thanks to Marvel Studios. Deinocheirus (talk) 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Add Seth (Q131795)

Egyptian pantheon is well represented on the list right now, but the selection can be improved. We don't need both Amun (Q58373) and Ra (Q1252904) in the list, given that in later versions of the Egyptian pantheon they are one and the same. Seth, with articles in 77 languages, looks like a good replacement. This deity was one of the top gods in the early Egyptian pantheon, and took an even more central role later as the antagonist of Osiris (Q46491) and Horus (Q84122). Deinocheirus (talk) 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Add Kālī (Q132127)

While Hindu mythology is also well represented, Kali, goddess of death and the central figure in multiple real and fictional cults with articles in 93 languages, looks like a reasonable addition. Deinocheirus (talk) 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Add Tuatha Dé Danann (Q654205)

Central race in Gaelic mythology, currently has articles in 34 languages. We do not have anything in the list for the Gaelic mythology, but there doesn't seem to be a single deity that would meet the requirements (The Morrígan (Q828550) is relatively well known as the goddess of war, but she was not one of the main deities for the Irish Celts themselves, and Nuada Airgetlám (Q1075322), while technically the chief god, is rather obscure, appearing for now in just 24 languages), so I suggest in this case to include the entire "pantheon" rather than a single representative. Deinocheirus (talk) 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Remove Amun (Q58373)

Looks redundant as we have Ra (Q1252904) on the list, and they are partially interchangeable while the latter name is arguably better known. See arguments for replacing with Seth (Q131795)). Deinocheirus (talk) 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Remove Ganymede (Q131588)

Was suggested earlier to be replaced with Viracocha (Q209605). Despite having articles in 70 languages, indeed looks like somebody less well known and much less important than other Greek mythological characters on the list, doesn't play active part in any of main narratives and as a result much more problematic to reach the level of developed article (in fact, even in English the major part of the article is about depictions in art). Deinocheirus (talk) 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Remove Medusa (Q160730)

An antagonist in the myth of Perseus (Q130832), whose head plays an instrumental but secondary part in some other topics. Articles in 86 languages which is respectable, but it seems redundant to have both Perseus and Medusa on the list. Alternatively, keep Medusa but remove Andromeda (Q161582) - a third character from the same story on the list, with a rather limited passive role in it and articles in 71 languages. Deinocheirus (talk) 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Remove Europa (Q165170)

Another Zeus abductee, on par with Io (Q179014) and Callisto (Q203673), without an active role in her own myth and articles in 76 languages. As in the case of Ganymede, it's mostly the depictions in art that keep this character on the list but it doesn't seem enough when there is no space for major deities from other mythologies. Deinocheirus (talk) 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Remove Vulcan (Q4640)

Roman version of Hephaestus (Q44384), with substantially less articles (78 vs. 93) and barely distinguishable. If not for the name (from which the term "volcano" is derived), I don't see any particular reason for this redundancy. Deinocheirus (talk) 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)