Talk:WikiProject UNESCO/Create Biosphere Reserve Wikipedia articles from UNESCO descriptions

Example - Vessertal-Thüringen Forest

In case anyone else gets stuck on the bit about how to add the "open source text template", here is a sample article I just made: en:Vessertal-Thüringen Forest. --Jane023 (talk) 17:08, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

yes it would be nicer if he gave us an endnote template to plug the UNESCO link into. like [1]. Sudowoodoo (talk) 20:20, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

infoboxes

it would be nice if we could add infoboxes to the articles. a infobox generated from wikidata would be nice. see also w:Tehuacán-Cuicatlán Biosphere Reserve. Sudowoodoo (talk) 20:24, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

@Sudowoodoo: I'm going to try and do this through Wikidata since all the information is already there, once the articles have been created I'll try and make it happen :) John Cummings (talk) 21:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

sounds good, the w:Template:Infobox telescope should be a good example. it would have been nice to have, for the article creators to drop in, but i agree, a lot of pre-work. Sudowoodoo (talk) 00:18, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Biosphere that are mostly contained in another body

Hey, I found one Q22671006 which is technically the same space as Q175688, but has different names. How are you dealing with these kinds of redundancies? Sadads (talk) 02:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes I ran into the same problem with the sample I posted at the top of this page. Apparently these things are subdivided by biotope or something, because I saw that great pains were taken not to merge these. What you have is basically the old problem where Wikipedia prefers one article, but now that I saw what the Germans did and see the content from UNESCO I sort of also see why you want the UNESCO article to have its own page, because we actually do want all the species in there, but we don't want to read all of that in the general article about a park. --Jane023 (talk) 19:41, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

California Coast Range

I can tackle this one but it will take a couple of days - there are articles on the constituent parts so there's a bunch of wikidata work to do as well. - PKM (talk) 03:12, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

This is done: California Coast Ranges (reserve). It's an example of a reserve that contains many individual parks and nature preserves, some of which have their own Wikipedia articles. I'm still working through the "has parts" dance in Wikidata. - PKM (talk) 19:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Long Point vs. Long Point, Ontario

Hi! This is a great project! I ran into a little hiccup: I was going to create the page for Long Point (located in southern Canada in Lake Erie), but there was already an article: Long Point, Ontario. I added UNESCO content to that page. When I went to update Wikidata to take that location off of your map, it turns out there is also already a Wikidata page for Long Point, Ontario. Perhaps the map could be updated to link to that already existing Wikidata page (Q1869402), and Long Point (Q22678544) could be removed? I wasn't sure how to do that myself and thought you might prefer to do it anyway. Let me know if I can help. Thanks! --Lange.lea (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

The same thing is happening for Konza Prairie: Q22806711 vs. Q6430461. --Lange.lea (talk) 16:07, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Echoing what Jane023 said above, I think the geographical feature or park or whatever and the UNESCO reserve should be two separate things - they have different dates of establishment. I'd suggest that the [Unesco reserve] has part [park or place name]. - PKM (talk) 19:56, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Good point about the date of establishment, but I also noticed that the geographic area can be different too. For example I did another one for Waddensea of Hamburg and that one is part of a larger nature area including mudflats, but the biosphere was just for a small portion with an island. It really is very specific, but probably a good data ingestion to have, in any case where we currently have nothing, and because of the species, also in the case where we already have the general articles. --Jane023 (talk) 09:17, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

And just to be contrary with myself, I found some instances (San Dimas for example) where the boundaries are the same and the existing Experimental Forest had no article. In this case I made one article for the Biosphere Reserve and the pre-existing experimental forest. My rationale is that in this case two separate articles would be ripe for merging in Wikipedia, although there should probably be a separate item in Wikidata. So I guess it depends? - PKM (talk) 02:01, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Niwot Ridge

I made one! en:Niwot Ridge. This is the easiest new article suggestion and creation process that I have ever seen. It is gratifying to connect Wikipedia stubs with so much external data, because a stub that starts with good sources is off to the best start in Wikipedia. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:29, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

2016 establishments

I noticed that some 2016 establishments link to a press release rather than an actual entry in the Directory of the World Network of Biosphere Reserves (WNBR). It's not clear to me that this text is freely licensed and can be copied verbatim. Can you confirm one way or the other? Thanks! - PKM (talk) 02:03, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

@PKM: yes it includes this text, the pages are being created at the moment using the same text so I will switch the links over soon. --John Cummings (talk) 20:16, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

@John Cummings:, terrific, I have one in my sandbox ready to go... - PKM (talk) 20:29, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Clean up of SA biosphere but still can not see more than 2 on the map

Hello, I need some help. I tried to clean-up the list of biosphere reserves for South Africa. It ought to be simple but...
There should be 8 biosphere. List here. With the clean-up, I should now see 6 existing articles on the map. And 2 non existant articles. I only see 2 existing on the map and 0 non existing. So obviously, the articles are taggued wrong in WikiData. Hence my question... What is the element in wikidata that makes your tool recognise whether there is an article or not ? Anthere (talk)

@Anthere: so it looks for Member of:Man and the Biosphere Programme and also can tell whether there is a link to an article on English Wikipedia or not, only Biosphere Reserves without articles appear on the list. Looking at the two maps (existent and non existent en.wikipedia articles) I count 8 sites is SA. John Cummings (talk) 20:22, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Alto Golfo de California

Can someone advise as to whether El Pinacate y Gran Desierto de Altar Biosphere Reserve was subsumed into Alto Golfo de California Biosphere Reserve, or what? Now we have two separate articles and two Wikidata items. - PKM (talk) 02:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks :)

@Sudowoodoo:, @Jane023:, @Sadads:, @PKM:, @Lange.lea:, @Anthere: thanks all so much for taking part in this. I realise that the areas these sites cover is sometimes hard to find, I really appreciate the effort :) There are over 350 sites missing so I would suggest maybe starting with the easy to define ones first?

Also if you haven't seen it Wiki Loves Earth Biosphere Reserves is happening throughout June, if you can take part or encourage others to do so I would really appreciate it, because the sites are all over the world its not been possible to run central notices like other WLE competitions.

Thanks again

--John Cummings (talk) 20:29, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

East Vättern Scarp landscape coordinate problem

@John Cummings: - I've created an article for East Vättern Scarp landscape but the coordinates in the UNESCO record seem to be wrong - they don't point anywhere near Lake Vättern. Can you take this issue to your contacts at UNESCO? Thanks! - PKM (talk) 22:37, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

@PKM: Thanks for spotting this, I'll ask. --John Cummings (talk) 11:58, 20 June 2016 (UTC)