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One more for you: Wikinews interviews Florence Devouard, chair of the Wikimedia Foundation Thunderhead 05:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania report[edit]

As I anticipated a few months ago, as leader of the budget committee for Wikimania can you provide me a detailed financial report for Wikimania, including but not limited to

  • Number of participants and their provenience
  • Number and value of the scholarship granted, and provenience of the people who obtained the scholarship. The names should be public anyway.
  • Expenses sustained bu WMF, sponsors, guests and by WM Taipei for the event
  • Financial end cash flow balance
  • Value of sponsorships and benefit granted to sponsors

Please use my personal e-mail if you don't want to publish that on a WMF website. Thanks --Jollyroger 08:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

ahah, I was not the *leader* of the budget :-) But I can provide you with some of the answers yet. Number of participants and provenance is available. All other things, I do not know, but I'll ask. We are currently polishing our financial statements for the audit, so I guess most of this should be available one way or another. Your questions are actually very good, and I'll ask that we work on a full public report on all this. I think all of this pretty much can be public, I do not think any of this info is in any way confidential (not sure about confidentiality of who got a scholarship).


Actually, provenience of people who got a scholarship is a fundamental data to evaluate efficiency of the sholarship institute.
I wish WMF to adopt a policy of transparency on financial matters.
Please keep us informed about where these documents will be available, and if possible include in the documents the contacts to ask some questions. --Jollyroger 08:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that when the people made the request for a scholarship, they were told their request would stay private. We can not give names. In many cases, only one person came from a country. If we say one person from this country got a scholarship, then we really do not respect the privacy we promised. So, what we can do is

  1. provide the total number of scholarships
  2. provide the total amount of scholarships
  3. at most, provide the continent. Info is probably sufficiently aggregated that it is respectful of confidentiality.

I do not know what you mean by policy of transparency on financial matters. There are many financial matters. If you want some transparency, you need to clarify exactly which information you want to be transparent, so that we can tell you if yes or no we will do that. Note that I will not agree to a policy where the names of people who got scholarship is published, unless they agree. And I do not think either that providing publicly one's name should be mandatory to get a scholarship. Either you trust the people who select scholars or you do not. At best, you can ask which are the rules used to select names. But people have a right to not tell publicly that they are broke, and still get help.

Meanwhile, we discussed it on the planning list, and there is a general agreement to give the information I mentionned above, but not all financial statements are done, so THD indicated a few more weeks would be necessary until he can give the information for a report.


At least the number of people from a country is needed (i.e: India: 4; USA: 35; and such). Names are not really important now.
With "transparency" I mean that ANYTHING related to WMF finances should be made public and included in reports available to anyone: a detailed report would be advisable (i.e: 2000$ - Jimbo's flight boston-taipei ; 5000$ paid to MrX for fund raising coordination )
No problem in waiting a couple of week more. --Jollyroger 08:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Joyeux anniversaire[edit]

Happy Birthday!
Angela 17:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Joyeux anniversaire avec un peu de retard
~Pyb 09:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

un gateau, des fleurs, tout pour le bonheur :-) Anthere 02:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Final approval for bcl[edit]

I am excited for it. --Filipinayzd @ incubator

Please Assist with this problem[edit]

I need help getting my personal information off of WIkipedia.

My room-mate is in Law School and advised me to try these channels- but I have to say I am very frustrated!

A brief Synopsis:

I came under the radar of an obsessed WIkipedian who has made my life miserable over the last month or so, constantly leaving weird messages on my talk pages, leaving messages about me on others talk pages that were false.

I am sick and tired of this, I don't wish to be pushed to "off wiki" action, but I am being left with no choice! The last sinanagan, was last night when an Administrator deleted off my personal information (info where it is discussed that I was the victim of physical abuse) the stalker quickly contacted a friend and they put it back up! this is making me sick!! please help me!!Alphagirl20 21:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

On Alex...[edit]

Re this foundation-l message: "If I remember well, and unless I am mistaking, Alex is not russian, but an english editor. At least, I remember some interactions with him on the english wikipedia, hmmm, at least 3 years ago."

I guess you must be mistaken, then. en:User:Alex Spade has started editing on August 21, 2006, and he certainly is fluent in Russian. Maybe you confused him with en:User:Sam Spade? I hope you didn't confuse me with him... Alex probably is not a lawyer, though; I've occasionally seen him make errors no copyright lawyer would make. (If I may say so. I'm not a lawyer myself.) AFAIK, he's just a normal editor who has in general a fairly good grasp of modern Russian copyright legislation. My previous interactions with him have been positive, so I am a bit astounded that he'd pretend to speak in an official WMF capacity. But I wouldn't worry too much about it; I have the impression the Wikisource editors can handle this well enough. Lupo 08:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

okay :-) Anthere

OTRS question[edit]

What should the attribution be for Image:Cristina fernandez de kirchner and felipe calderon 8C95602E8A753CE.jpg? It says it's CC-BY, but we currently have "unknown" in the author field. 02:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Problème de faux-nez[edit]

Bonjour, pourriez-vous résoudre ce problème de faux-nez que j'ai déposé ici? Merci d'avance.Benoni 14:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

2007 Steward Confirmations[edit]

Hi. This is a semi automated notice so my apologies if it seems a bit impersonal. You're listed as holding the Steward permission. As you know, Stewards get reconfirmed yearly, and it's that time again... I noticed that you haven't yet filled out your statement at Stewards/confirm. If you'd like to learn what the community thinks, please visit the page and put in your statement. Volunteers have been busily translating statements already. It would be best to do this before November 26, as that is when the page is opened for public comment, to coincide with the elections of new stewards. If you would like to not be reconfirmed and have your name removed, you can remove your section, or ask a volunteer to do it for you. I hope this information helps. If you have any questions or comments, there is ongoing discussion at Talk:Stewards/elections_2007. Oh, one last thing, if you already knew about it and just hadn't gotten round to it, apologies for the reminder! :) ++Lar: t/c 04:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Humble reminder[edit]

Tres chere Anthère,

After some three months since an important discussion about risking copyright infringement has been raised, many people at it,wikisource sould like to know the result of that discussion... What shall we do with our recent texts? - εΔω 22:50, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


You will find Mike's answer on this below. I take it that it will be clearly understood as "better delete"... unfortunately :-( Anthere 00:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

My understanding is that it is correct to say that the U.S. does not honor "the rule of the shorter term" created by the Berne Convention, and in fact expressly refuses to honor it. See 17 USC 104, which also provides that material copyrighted in another signatory country can be registered in the USA and have its copyright extended to fit USA terms, regardless of whether the rights to the work have lapsed in the originating country.

What this means is that, as a USA corporation, we're potentially vulnerable to copyright actions from authors or their estates regarding works that are out of copyright in their originating countries but, at least theoretically, within the copyright term set by U.S. law. Under the circumstances, I would recommend that Wikisource texts that qualify as such works be removed from the project. -- Mike

Thank you for your kind answer. I'm going to copy/translate it on it.wikisource. Unfortunately that content won't msnke anyone happy, but we were prepared. - εΔω 08:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Indigenous Intellectual Property[edit]

G'day, I'm an Australian anthropologist new to Wikipedia editing. Apologies if it is inappropriate or inopportune time for me to bring minor(?) GNU Free Documentation Licencing matters to your attention, but the UN w:Declaration_on_the_Rights_of_Indigenous_Peoples has been adopted by the UN General Assembly, and I did note you seem to have initiated article on biopiracy and bioprospecting!? I thought you might be able to quickly advise/assist.?

I refer to effort within Wikipedia pages to see indigenous intellectual property acknowledged, plus see this acknowledgment mediated GNU Free Documentation Licience: see w:Wikipedia_talk:General_disclaimer#Traditional Knowledge and w:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Traditional_Knowledge_Disclaimer What do you think? 06:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, my Wikipedia user page/ identity is: w:User:Bruceanthro


Thanks for letting us know you contacted fr.wikibooks for us. I did notice that your message there was in the archives; probably nobody will see it there. I had previously left a message (in bad French), so there's no need to repeat yourself. If you're planning on following the proceedings and translating to French as required, please let me know. I have offered to translate, but if you've seen any of my French, it's not pretty - I'm beyond "rusty" these days ;) Let me know what you plans are please. Thanks! – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 22:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

They will see it :-) They have an odd system, the archives are templated in the main page. It is at the right place :-) Anthere 22:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


Hello Anthere, i wrote this message here also yesterday but it seams it was not saved. It is about the Moldovan Wikipedia. You blocked this Wikipedia a long time ago, but you didn't replace the main page with a message redirecting to (as the result of the discussion was deleting the Moldovan Wikipedia). Plase replace the Main Page (the page first shown when typing ) with this text:





Editarea paginilor în această Wikipedie este blocată. Vă invităm să vizitaţi





Thank you! --Danutz 11:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


Did you get my e-mail about Low Saxon projects? --::Slomox:: >< 21:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

yes. I forwarded it to the board, but no one reacted. I asked help from Cary; Thank you for your patience Anthere 13:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

a problem in Sindhi Wikipedia[edit]

Hi !

My name is Qadeer Mangrio, from Pakistan, contributer in English Wiki, Urdu Wiki and Sindhi Wiki,

I have a problem in my Sindhi wikipedia, admin. in sindhi wiki is Mr. Aursani, a very ignorant person, i use ignorant because if anything done by me, he warns me that this against the rules and policy, i said OK, but he also do same as I did. when I say about that he said please try to avoid to criticize me. I said OK.

after some days he said don't submit any message on my talk page but help. i said OK, after that I did not send him a message, today he send me message that dont submit empty topics on wiki, becuase submitted some contries without any infomation that was my mistake I accept it. and then deleted those messages on MY TALK PAGE and wrote there MR. AURSANI IS NOT ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING ON MY TALK PAGE. after some minutes he blocked me.

so, plese try to solve this problem, Aursani think that he is end of all.

I will never work under the administration of this person.

I am waiting for positive response on my talk page of sd wiki link is below


Qadeer Mangrio user from (

  • Sir I am waiting fr you answer


Qadeer Mangrio user from (

I already left a message several days ago on the sd wikipedia. Thanks Anthere 06:39, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

  • But there was nothing.


Qadeer Mangrio user from (


Anthère, it's been eight months since this. I know you got lots of other things to look after, but may I humbly inquire about the status of that promised statement? Dumped, forgotten, still in the pipeline, or already issued and I missed it? Lupo 08:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

jeeeeeee, mix answer. Partly answered (discussion related to the italian community issues above), partly still in pipeline, partly forgotten. Big difference with may, we now have a legal counsel. Good thing you ping me, I'll put that on his plate. Anthere 10:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Though it seems to me that this statement from Mike on the it-WS question pretty much settles it. #1: yes, #2:no?!, #3:no, #4:at least. PD-country tags must state under which conditions works are PD in the U.S., too, and only such works are allowed. A clarification, also on "freedom of panorama" (only for buildings in the U.S.) and on "non-U.S. works of authors who died after 1926 (URAA date - 70), but more than 70 years ago", would still be welcome and useful, I think. Lupo 15:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Should clarify also the situation of non-English projects. If #1 is yes and #2 is "no", that will come as a shock to many. Lupo 16:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
PatríciaR has pointed to me this discussion on IRC. Please also clarify:
  1. if the USA law need to take effect on non-English Wikisources for deletion, it can be used to make works avaiable? (works that aren't PD in their country of origin but PD in USA, as a EDP). May be interesting to see what Project Gutenberg does on that subject;
    Hum, there is a Project Gutenberg Canada. If someone is interested to run a fork to host works that aren't acceptable on Wikisource due to copyrights, is possible to brand the project as a "Wikisource something", like with the Local chapters trademarks?
  2. the wording on s:en:Template:PD-1996 is true? If it is true, the law to research if a work is PD in USA need to be the current one from that country or the law that are in effect in 1996? Or both can be applied as a suitable to each Wikisource in order to keep texts?
555 21:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


For the sake of clarity

The statements marked by "(Lupo)" below were made by me orignally here on this page on May 8, 2007. I've also bolded Mike's/Florence's answers. There has already been some confusion as to who said what, with parts of my comment being understood to have come from Mike. Lupo 19:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
  1. Is it true that any content hosted on Wikimedia servers must be legal to publish in the U.S.? (Lupo)
    If the answer to that question is "no", we can stop right there. Local non-English Wikimedia projects could decide to apply only their local foreign laws, ignoring U.S. law, and the Commons could also change its public domain requirements to consider only the law of the source country. (For the commons, however, there'd still be the problem that e.g. an image that was in the public domain only in Switzerland could be hosted, but couldn't be used on any other Wikimedia project.) The commons would still need to tag images better to avoid that such "claimed public domain" images were used on projects where these images are not in the public domain under the local laws, but that's a perennial problem that we already have. (Lupo)
    If the answer is "yes": (Lupo)
    the answer is clearly YES
  2. May local non-English Wikimedia projects still make an exception to that rule by applying only their local laws? (Lupo)
    I don't know if that'd even be possible. Maybe one could argue that since such non-English projects are clearly targeted at non-U.S. markets, the fact that the servers are in the U.S. is incidental and of no importance, and that the non-English projects may use the laws of their target countries instead. But again, I have no idea whether that'd be sound. Note, however, that if such an exception is not possible, there might be an increased incentive to fork for local projects, using servers based in their jurisdiction. (Lupo)
    Reading Godwin recommandation, the answer is NO
  3. Confirm whether or not the WMF (and thus the Wikimedia projects) considers the U.S. to apply the rule of the shorter term. (Lupo)
    If the WMF is prepared to defend the argument that the U.S. would need to apply that rule (following maybe Michelet's reasoning, for which there is no external confirmation, though), local projects again could operate basically under their local laws, and the commons also could consider only the source country of a "public domain" work. Otherwise, local projects (and the commons for "public domain" works) need to apply at least the local laws plus the U.S. copyright law. Take note of William F. Patry's comments on the U.S. and the rule of the shorter term. (Lupo)
    Mike recommandation (of course) is that the answer is NO. The board did not oppose.
  4. Is the Commons' rule for public domain works "a work must be in the public domain in its source country and in the U.S." good enough? (Lupo)
    Or does the Board really want the Commons to apply the rule "the work must be in the public domain in all countries"? Careful there; see above. The commons would also no longer be able to host pre-1923 U.S. works (which are not in the public domain in some other countries), it could no longer host many reproductions of old art (Bridgeman v. Corel doesn't apply everywhere), it couldn't host U.S. governmental works anymore (may in theory be copyrighted outside the U.S.), and so on. (I really don't think you'd want that.) (Lupo)

I truly think the WMF should clarify these points in a resolution on hosting. I know the WMF has traditionally avoided giving concrete guidelines, but as the operator of the servers and as the service provider, the WMF should at the very least have some very basic guidelines as to what content it is legally prepared to host. (Lupo)

Okay, first, there is no urgency to delete stuff. So, no one goes into a deletion frenzy. Now, the big question is "where do we host that stuff" ? I wonder if an answer might not be "one of the chapters, the one which will be in the most favorable country". Anthere 18:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Florence and Mike for the clarification. Don't worry, nobody wants to go into a deletion frenzy. But with that clarification, we can finally move on and figure out how to identify the problem media and then what to do with them. Previously, attempts to resolve this always stalled because people kept questioning these basics. Lupo 23:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Follow-up comment: I know it's asking a lot, but I think it would be good if the WMF could figure out rather quickly what to do with the affected files (besides identifying and tagging them). This was a shock to many, even if some people were prepared. Can we find a creative solution? If such a solution involved setting up image repositories in other jurisdictions, or transferring legal ownership of certain non-English projects to local legal entities in other jurisdictions, I don't think the community (or communities) could handle this alone. Lupo 09:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
My two cents, only to make clear how it is impacting projects: pt.wikisource have c. 17k text-units. The still incomplete list of pages that may get deleted because it is 600+ 555 13:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

What about discussing this at Wikimania ? Anthere

Sure, why not. Though I cannot come to Alexandria :-( Lupo 16:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Low Saxon meta[edit]

It's again one week since my last unanswered enquiry per e-mail about that topic (Low Saxon meta). I would like to go on and would like to know which way I have to go. Please give me advice. Cary obviously is busy with his trip. If your other duties do not let you enough time to handle my request, please delegate it to someone or suggest another solution. But I can't brave waiting ;-) Thanks --::Slomox:: >< 13:50, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello, user:Vusal, has created thousands of empty or inefficient pages like this in azeri wikipedia. Most of these short articles are listed here Besides this he uploaded hundreds of unlicenced images. I demand that these pages be deleted. --Uannis 17:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Az vp[edit]

We did a consultation in Village pump of az-wiki. Uannis, Aruz, AMD and Vusal1981 wanted delete unusual and no information articals. Only Bakı66 didn't want it. But sysops of az-wiki didn't delete anyone. Then One of sysops is Memty. Memty deleted 3.000 unusual and no information articals. Memty also supported this consultation. We have got a bureaucrat in az-wiki but he isn't active in az-wiki and he isn't interested in az-wiki. I want to delete these pages in az-wiki. They are just template. All pages include in this template:

|şəkil = Dot1.png
|şəkil məlumat= 
|şəkil miqyası = 100
|Adı  = 
|Tam Adı = 
|Digər Adları = 
|Doğum Tarixi =
|Doğum Yeri = 
|Ölüm Tarixi =
|Ölüm Yeri = 
|Ölüm Səbəbi = 
|Rəsmi vebsaytı = 
|IMDB = 

== Interviews ==



==Həmçinin Bax==

*[[Azərbaycan Kinosu]]

[[Kateqoriya:Azərbaycan Kinosu-Şəxslər]]

Thanks.--Uannis 17:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


Hi there Florence. With regards to the above image, did you ever manage to clarify the copyright status of this image. Regards. Adambro 17:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

ha ya. I was told "share, share". Which, euh, right, I will name that cc by sa... Anthere 00:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Admin confirmation[edit]

Hi, I had to remove your vote as the end date was 10 days ago. Thanks, Majorly (talk) 19:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

However, Anthere, you are free to comment on the bureaucrat chat page. Cbrown1023 talk 19:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I noticed your comments on bureaucrat chat page per Aphaia's confirmation. So I would like to talk to you here, for I am not a bureaucrat.

While the direct case of her block was revealing others user's privacy, she was not blocked on that single occasion. She has acted like "the boss" of Japanese Wikipedia community, by telling us the thing like "You must obey me, for I am an admin of meta, the chair of election committee", etc. etc. etc., for more than three years. Adminship is a matter of logical, technical access. It is not the "title" to be "the boss" of communities. Thus her usage of adminship was definitely inappropriate. It is also the violation of the policy; anyone who gathers onto any Wikimedia projects are equal. Nobody comes above or below anyone else. She is not "the boss" of JAWP community. We are not her subordinates, troops, or slaves. The block was, at first, until she promises not to leak other one's privacy, with minimum of three months. "With minimum of three months" was added because of her inappropriate behaviors that she acted like "the boss". The RfB page is this. JAWP community was in total exhaustion when we decided to block her.

Then steward election came. There, she stated Anyway, but some other people who liked politics didn't miss this occasion and demanded me to offer an apology for them too. In my humble opinion it doesn't make a sense since the issue had be settled already between her and me: so I ignored it simply. It was a total lie; her block was NOT a political matter. She was blocked because of series of her wrongdoings for three years. I assumed she told a lie on the voting page to obtain the stewardship, while some others assumed she simply did not understand why she was blocked, so I stood up, to protect our project, our community, and our users. At the same time, I submitted another RfB, and JAWP community decided to block her indefinitely. We were afraid that she would use stewardship to inflict influences onto JAWP, and/or even to avenge.

During this confirmation, we knew Aphaia was going to change the voting requirements to shut out opposing votes from JAWP and to defend herself. That brought those tons of "remove" votes. I also noticed she stated Also I would add, Japanese who gave their opposite opinions are not entrusted users even on their projects. That was NOT the fact at all; most JAWP users whocast "oppose" votes on her steward election and/or "remove" votes on this confirmation are decent contributors in JAWP. In other words, she insulted JAWP users on the voting page.

The best way here is, needless to say, Aphaia comes back to JAWP as "a user", not as "the boss", with her total self-reconsideration, apology to JAWP community, and promise never to conduct those inappropriate behaviors again. It is totally up to Aphaia herself whether we accept her once again. Whenever those are achieved, JAWP community is ready to unblock her. Chaging the rules for Aphaia's favor does not help in any way. I think you are the one who can pursuade her. For goodness for both you and us. Thanks. Yassie 00:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Requests for comments/Wikimedia Foundation staff permissions[edit]

Hi, Ant. There is a new proposal by Kylu that will affect Wikimedia employees. Could you please state your opinion on the matter in the talk page? Thanks. --Meno25 15:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

done. To follow Anthere 00:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

pronunciation of your name[edit]


I am going to check and update Translation_requests/WMF/Board_of_Trustees/ja. Could you please check your entry on a pronunciation table and put self-checked in the checked column?--NJT 11:13, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

answered locally Anthere

Archival permission[edit]

Hello Anthere,

I am the archivist for the language subcommittee. You sent a message to the language subcommittee on December 29th 2007 about the Saterfriesisch Wikipedia (you suggested using your Wikimedia address for future messages). Discussion with the subcommittee is regularly copied to a public archive for transparency. Since you have not agreed to archival, your messages are currently replaced with the message "<this user has not agreed to public archival>".

Do you agree to the public archival of all your emails? Even if you do agree, you can mark any email or comment as private and the message will be replaced by an appropriate note to that effect. The archives can be edited at any time to remove a message you forgot to mark as private. (The email address will be removed before public archival.)

Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:57:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

answered on Pathoschild talk page. Anthere
Err, yes, you have my permission to publicly archive my emails :-) Anthere 23:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. You can see your message in the archived discussion. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 04:05:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)