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New project proposal - WikiYouth: Building Open Data Together[edit]

Hi, everyone!

I am one of the organizers of the IGF Youth Summit, a Day 0 project of the IGF 2021. As a member of the board of the Youth SIG from the Internet Society, we are trying to engage young people that are part of the internet governance ecosystem in Wikimedia projects. We delivered our first project a few months ago, but now we are trying to do something more focused and easier to learn, while trying to get more fruitful results to the Wiki community.

That is why we are proposing a Rapid Grant Contest centered in Wikidata called WikiYouth: Building Open Data Together, aiming to add relevant data to Internet Governance and youth pages. I would really appreciate it if you guys could review it and give us a few tips on how to improve the idea, and if anyone wants to help in this project, we would love an extra hand or two!

The questions for the candidates into Drafting Committee Movement_Charter[edit]

Into 2021-09-27 13:59 CEST (11:59 UTC) can you suggest the questions for the candidates into Drafting Committee Movement_Charter. ✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 21:11, 26 September 2021 (UTC) & ✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[]

A elongation: The questions for the candidates into Drafting Committee Movement_Charter[edit]

Into 2021-09-29 13:59:59 CEST (11:59:59 UTC) can you suggest the questions for the candidates into Drafting Committee Movement Charter. ✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 17:46, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Grants:Project/Twi Wikimedians/Twi Wiki Translat-a-thon III[edit]

Dear Community Members,

I am announcing a rapid grant we submitted about educating and recruiting new editors and also improving content on Twi Wikipedia, and Wikimedia commons. We would be very grateful to have your feedback and endorsements about this project. Please see the proposal here: Grants: Jemima2019 (talk) 21:50, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[]

2022 Ombuds Commission nomination process now open![edit]

Hi everyone! It's coming close to time for annual appointments of community members to serve on the Ombuds commission (OC). This commission works on all Wikimedia projects to investigate complaints about violations of the privacy policy, especially in use of CheckUser and Oversight tools, and to mediate between the complaining party and the individual whose work is being investigated. They may also assist the General Counsel, the Executive Director or the Board of Trustees in investigations of these issues. For more on their duties and roles, see Ombuds commission.

This is a call for community members interested in volunteering for appointment to this commission. Volunteers serving in this role should be experienced Wikimedians, active on any project, who have previously used the CheckUser/Oversight tools OR who have the technical ability to understand these tools and the willingness to learn them. They are expected to be able to engage neutrally in investigating these concerns and to know when to recuse when other roles and relationships may cause conflict.

Commissioners are required to sign the Access to NonPublic Information NDA and must be willing to comply with the appropriate Wikimedia Foundation board policies (such as the access to non-public information policy and the privacy policy). This is a position that requires a high degree of discretion and trust. Commissioners must also be over 18 years of age.

If you are interested in serving on this commission, please write me an email at kbrown(at)wikimedia(dot)org to detail your experience on the projects, your thoughts on the commission and what you hope to bring to the role. The commission consists of twelve members; all applications are appreciated and will be carefully considered. The deadline for applications is end of day on 31 December, 2021.[notices 1]

Please feel free to pass this invitation along to any users who you think may be qualified and interested. Thank you! Kbrown (WMF) (talk) 13:06, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]

  1. This deadline is flexible in terms of time zones; as long as your application is in while it's 31 December somewhere in the world, you're fine.

Select You the question statements for candidates of Drafting Committee Movement_Charter[edit]

Into 2021-10-04 11:59:59 UTC you can select question statements for the candidates of Drafting Committee Movement Charter. The count of question statements is 110. ✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 19:28, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Croptool is broken[edit]

CropTool on Wikimedia Commons gives the error message Curl error: SSL certificate problem: certificate has expired Is this a lasting problem? /Yvwv (talk) 20:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@Yvwv:, You have a 2 ways:
✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 21:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Yvwv: See Some tools might need some updating to recognize the newly issued SSL certificates to work again. Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 21:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@MarcoAurelio: He sent me a picture, and according to an error, it's an error in the backend. The backend download something from somewhere. ✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 23:13, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Let's talk about the Desktop Improvements[edit]

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Have you noticed that some wikis have a different desktop interface? Are you curious about the next steps? Maybe you have questions or ideas regarding the design or technical matters?

Join an online meeting with the team working on the Desktop Improvements! It will take place on October 12th, 16:00 UTC on Zoom. It will last an hour. Click here to join.


  • Update on the recent developments
  • Sticky header - presentation of the demo version
  • Questions and answers, discussion


The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes will be taken in a Google Docs file. The presentation part (first two points in the agenda) will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, and Spanish. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the talk page or send them to

Olga Vasileva (the team manager) will be hosting this meeting.

Invitation link

We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) 15:09, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hello! I'd like to remind that the meeting will happen today. You are welcome to join! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 14:54, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Draft Guidelines review still needs your ideas and opinions[edit]

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Hello, this is a reminder that the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Draft Guidelines are open for review and comment (comments may also be left at other local venues). The Drafting Committee will start working on revisions and improvement after October 17, so it will be helpful to provide thoughts before then.

There is also a newly-published abstract that provides an overview of the draft guidelines. Please help translate to your language.

We are also hosting another conversation hour on October 15, 2021 03:00 and 14:00 UTC, as well as another functionary consultation October 7 18:00 UTC (tomorrow).

On behalf of the Drafting Committee, many thanks to everyone who has given ideas so far. We hope to hear from more of you - the Guidelines will be much stronger if more opinions are included. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 16:47, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Adding admin for Tibetan wikipedia[edit]

Hi, I am maintaining the WikiLoop Tibetan Initiative and I got feedback from Tibetan Wikipedia contributors that there is no admin for Tibetan Wikipedia and they don't know who should they talk to. See the admin user page here. Could anybody take a look and provide some clue? Thanks! Forestj (talk) 00:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Forestj: Want You be as new sysop? If Yes, so here You can send a candidate request for sysop . ✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 07:29, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]

local sitenotice landing to...[edit]

... ? (can it be that Meta is so bad in this ;-p) Zblace (talk) 10:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Zblace: our local sitenotice (MediaWiki:Sitenotice) is blank - are you referring to some other project's site notice, if so which? — xaosflux Talk 13:49, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Xaosflux: sorry - it was one from Commons! --Zblace (talk) 14:19, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Zblace: not seeing anything there either - is it still happening? Perhaps it was a CentralNotice? — xaosflux Talk 14:30, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I did see this CN that was pointing there, but it has been corrected. — xaosflux Talk 14:33, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Voting for the election for the members for the Movement Charter drafting committee is now open[edit]

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Voting for the election for the members for the Movement Charter drafting committee is now open. In total, 70 Wikimedians from around the world are running for 7 seats in these elections.

Voting is open from October 12 to October 24, 2021.

The committee will consist of 15 members in total: The online communities vote for 7 members, 6 members will be selected by the Wikimedia affiliates through a parallel process, and 2 members will be appointed by the Wikimedia Foundation. The plan is to assemble the committee by November 1, 2021.

Learn about each candidate to inform your vote in the language that you prefer: <>

Learn about the Drafting Committee: <>

We are piloting a voting advice application for this election. Click yourself through the tool and you will see which candidate is closest to you! Check at <>

Read the full announcement: <>

Go vote at SecurePoll on: <>


Xeno (WMF) (talk) 15:40, 13 October 2021 (UTC) (Movement Strategy & Governance Team, Wikimedia Foundation)[]

Describing Data Structures[edit]

One goal of the Annual Plan 2021/2022 is to describe the internal data structures. Does someone know when this program starts and where I can find information about it. As I have understood there was the plan to tell something about how to do it in October this year and I am interested in that topic. From my point of view is it a good goal to describe the data structures and I think it is important that it is oberserved after it could be in theory that this reduces the number of staff that is needed for analytics tasks and that in that case the people get another job within the Wikimedia projects.--Hogü-456 (talk) 19:18, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Regarding reasonable use of non-free images in articles regarding Hong Kong anti-extradition protests on[edit]

Recently there's a huge debate as user:和平至上 suddenly attempting to delete historical images en masse, claiming that because the article is not talking about the image itself, so the image has to be deleted because it's not reasonable use. How ever considering the situation in Hong Kong, it is harder and harder to obtain copy-right free image, not even the screen capture from YouTube video. A user has been argued with him, but all he got is just a robotic reply and eventually a one month ban.

E.g. here:

It is pointed out by netizen that by his logic, most of the historical articles should not have images. And his action has stirred up the local residents outside Wikipedia:

I hope someone can investigate in such matter, or at least figure out a way to solve the matter. Sorry for my existence--Wolffy chan (talk) 16:10, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Universal Code of Conduct News – Issue 4[edit]

Universal Code of Conduct News
Issue 4, October 2021Read the full newsletter

Welcome to the fourth issue of Universal Code of Conduct News! This newsletter will help Wikimedians stay involved with the development of the new code and will distribute relevant news, research, and upcoming events related to the UCoC.

If you haven’t already, please remember to subscribe here if you would like to be notified about future editions of the newsletter, and also leave your username here if you’d like to be contacted to help with translations in the future.

  • Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review Wrap-up - The Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review will come to a close on 17 October 2021, after more than two months of extensive consultations. (continue reading)
  • Roundtable Discussions and Conversation Hours - Another successful roundtable session happened on September 18, 2021 to discuss the EDGR. One last conversation hour will be happening on October 15th, 2021. (continue reading)
  • Movement Charter Drafting Committee Elections - The Movement Charter Drafting Committee selection process has kicked off and will be open until October 25, 2021. Contributors to Wikimedia projects can elect their favorite candidates on to the committee. (continue reading)
  • New Direction for the Newsletter - As we round-up the consultation processes for the Universal Code of Conduct, the facilitation team is currently envisioning new directions for the newsletter. (continue reading)
  • Diff Blogs - Check out the most recent publications about the UCoC on Wikimedia Diff. (continue reading)

MNadzikiewicz (WMF) (talk) 20:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Wikimania in Bangkok[edit]

Hello, Bangkok is located in Thailand and it was planned to be the location for the Wikimania in 2020 and after this edition did not happen and the 2021 edition was an online event it can be that it is the place for the 2022 edition. What I wrote here have I aksed in August after the Wikimania in the Wikimaniawiki and recieived no answer. Bangkok is located in Thailand and this is a country that is not a real democrazy and rated by Freedomhouseindex as non-free. The military has there more influence than in other countries and there were times in the past when Thailand was a military dictatorship. I dont support a Wikimania in Bangkok in Thailand or another state that is not rated as free or were it is known that the country is not a real democrazy. Do you think it is acceptable to let an event in a country that is not known as a democrazy and not rated as free happen. From my point of view it is not acceptable also I understand that changes are only possible through conversations and so maybe the presence of people at an event of the Wikimedia projects in such a country can be a positive signal. Please think about if another place is better for the Wikimania and try to answer next time to such an question.--Hogü-456 (talk) 18:44, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Not going to comment on the main issue here, but we have had Wikimania in a non-free country before: Wikimania 2008 was held in Alexandria, Egypt. --Yair rand (talk) 18:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
From my point of view it is an important point that should be discussed and thank you Yair rand that you mentioned that Wikimania in 2008 happened in Alexandria in Egypt. In 2008 it was as it is now not a free country and so in such a country I dont support a Wikimania. I hope that more people write something what they think about that topic. For me it is an important topic after I really like democrazys and try not to support dictatorships also not indirect.--Hogü-456 (talk) 17:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Coolest Tool Award 2021: Call for nominations[edit]

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The third edition of the m:Coolest Tool Award is looking for nominations!

Tools play an essential role for the Wikimedia projects, and so do the many volunteer developers who experiment with new ideas and develop and maintain local and global solutions to support the Wikimedia communities. The Coolest Tool Award aims to recognize and celebrate the coolest tools in a variety of categories.

The awarded projects will be announced and showcased in a virtual ceremony in December. Deadline to submit nominations is October 27. More information: m:Coolest Tool Award. Thanks for your recommendations! -- 2021 Coolest Tool Academy team

Effect of Apple’s iCloud Private Relay[edit]

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 21:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@SGrabarczuk (WMF): I feel like this title was chosen to be attention-grabbing. If so, this is a very problematic practice. --Yair rand (talk) 21:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I agree @Yair rand, especially considering how it changes the perception and affects the discussion. We will make some changes to the main text, and potentially, to this announcement as well. Obviously, it wasn't my objective to make the announcement itself a subject of discussion. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 23:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Talk to the Community Tech[edit]

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We, the team working on the Community Wishlist Survey, would like to invite you to an online meeting with us. It will begin on 27 October (Wednesday) at 14:30 UTC on Zoom, and will last an hour. Click here to join.


  • Become a Community Wishlist Survey Ambassador. Help us spread the word about the CWS in your community.
  • Update on the disambiguation and the real-time preview wishes
  • Questions and answers


The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes without attribution will be taken and published on Meta-Wiki. The presentation (all points in the agenda except for the questions and answers) will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, Spanish, German, and Italian. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the Community Wishlist Survey talk page or send to

Natalia Rodriguez (the Community Tech manager) will be hosting this meeting.

Invitation link

We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 23:00, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]