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The associated page is used by the MediaWiki Spam Blacklist extension, and lists regular expressions which cannot be used in URLs in any page in Wikimedia Foundation projects (as well as many external wikis). Any meta administrator can edit the spam blacklist; either manually or with SBHandler. For more information on what the spam blacklist is for, and the processes used here, please see Spam blacklist/About.
Please sign your posts with ~~~~ after your comment. This leaves a signature and timestamp so conversations are easier to follow. Completed requests are marked as {{added}}/{{removed}} or {{declined}}, and are generally archived quickly. Additions and removals are logged · current log 2020/05. |
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Proposed additions[edit]
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This section is for proposing that a website be blacklisted; add new entries at the bottom of the section, using the basic URL so that there is no link (example.com, not http://www.example.com). Provide links demonstrating widespread spamming by multiple users on multiple wikis. Completed requests will be marked as {{added}} or {{declined}} and archived. |
Proposal to add Lenta.ru to the global spam blacklist[edit]
lenta.ru
- (LinkSearch: meta s/meta | en s/en | es s/es | de s/de | fr s/fr | ru s/ru | zh s/zh | simple s/simple | c s/c | d s/d | Wikipedias: top 20 · 40 · major wikis · gs )(Search: Google | en (G) | fr (G) | de (G) | meta (G) | backlinks | → links ←)
- (Reports: Report <-track | XWiki | Local | en | find entry)(DomainTools: whois | AboutUs | Malware? | Alexa)
Lenta.ru earlier this year is in the English Wikipedia spam blacklist entry. Lenta.ru over the years has published fake news, conspiracy theories and propaganda, just like Alex Jones' InfoWars.The Guardian I think that Lenta.ru should be added to the global spam blacklist in order to prevent COVID-19-related conspiracy theories. 58.230.133.106 22:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
- There would appear to be 38,082 uses across the wikis if global search tells me the truth. I do not think that this can be determined with a simple conversation here. It would require numbers of wikis to independently start blacklisting it and reach the criteria expressed above; or a sizeable groundswell of opinion that the domain is problematic. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:48, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Proposed additions (Bot reported)[edit]
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This section is for domains which have been added to multiple wikis as observed by a bot.
These are automated reports, please check the records and the link thoroughly, it may report good links! For some more info, see Spam blacklist/Help#COIBot_reports. Reports will automatically be archived by the bot when they get stale (less than 5 links reported, which have not been edited in the last 7 days, and where the last editor is COIBot).
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COIBot[edit]
The LinkWatchers report domains meeting the following criteria:
- When a user mainly adds this link, and the link has not been used too much, and this user adds the link to more than 2 wikis
- When a user mainly adds links on one server, and links on the server have not been used too much, and this user adds the links to more than 2 wikis
- If ALL links are added by IPs, and the link is added to more than 1 wiki
- If a small range of IPs have a preference for this link (but it may also have been added by other users), and the link is added to more than 1 wiki.
COIBot's currently open XWiki reports
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Proposed removals[edit]
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This section is for proposing that a website be unlisted; please add new entries at the bottom of the section.
Remember to provide the specific domain blacklisted, links to the articles they are used in or useful to, and arguments in favour of unlisting. Completed requests will be marked as {{removed}} or {{declined}} and archived. See also recurring requests for repeatedly proposed (and refused) removals. Notes:
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newmail.ru[edit]
newmail.ru
- (LinkSearch: meta s/meta | en s/en | es s/es | de s/de | fr s/fr | ru s/ru | zh s/zh | simple s/simple | c s/c | d s/d | Wikipedias: top 20 · 40 · major wikis · gs )(Search: Google | en (G) | fr (G) | de (G) | meta (G) | backlinks | → links ←)
- (Reports: Report <-track | XWiki | Local | en | find entry)(DomainTools: whois | AboutUs | Malware? | Alexa)
Two third level domains were proposed, viagra.newmail.ru and phentermine.newmail.ru, why other web pages should suffer is not clear, could not find any arguments. Macuser (talk) 16:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Macuser: They are clearly blocked a long while ago. You can seek local whitelisting of the domains at the wiki of interest. Can you tell us why you think that the domains are useful to Wikimedia sites? There is nothing evident at the sites themselves that give evidence that they are needed and reliable sites that would be used by the Wikimedia communities, there is no general path access to look at their value. To be removed from the blacklist needs an argument to remove. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
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This section is for discussion of Spam blacklist issues among other users. |
Rename?[edit]
There have been periodic discussions over renaming this feature, in part because not all blacklisted links are in fact spam (e.g. URL shorteners). In the light of the recent announcement by the UK's National Cyber Security Centre that it will no longer use the terms blacklist and whitelist, I think it might be worth considering the one-time disruption that would be caused by a change to something like "external link deny list". JzG (talk) 13:51, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Think that the whole conversation belongs on mediawikiwiki, maybe at mw:Extension talk:SpamBlacklist or in a phabricator: ticket. Probably phabricator if you want to get the attention of mediawiki developers. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- That is where it would go from here, but I would first like to establish whether there is consensus that this is a good idea. JzG (talk) 14:03, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- I am not certain that this is the place for that consensus. Personally I am focused on the functionality, and that any future functionality can be maintained with the minimal amount of work. If the name is considered problematic and insulting, then it seems worthwhile having that discussion wherever it is held. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:21, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- There is phab:T16719#4079220, which is a (declined) task about renaming the list and links to two more tasks about renaming the list. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:06, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Sure. So... where? JzG (talk) 07:58, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
- I am not certain that this is the place for that consensus. Personally I am focused on the functionality, and that any future functionality can be maintained with the minimal amount of work. If the name is considered problematic and insulting, then it seems worthwhile having that discussion wherever it is held. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:21, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- That is where it would go from here, but I would first like to establish whether there is consensus that this is a good idea. JzG (talk) 14:03, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Support I think it would be good to get the misnomer (and stigmatization) out of the way MediaWiki-wide. I know it was originally written just to combat spam, but it has become more than that, and the argument is there regularly 'but it was not spammed, remove it from this list' (not that it matters). I presume this needs to go through a phab ticket, and it may have technical problems to do this. Alternatively, if the extension could be rewritten so wikis would be able to choose which page (or pages, which would be great) and give their own name would be containing the regexes . --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 08:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm fine with this but I also wish we had multiple lists, or the ability to comment more easily, so that the list could have more nuance. For example, "\bgoatse\.info\b" is not allowed a link for a very different reason than what most people think of as "spam". I don't know the history on "\bbible\-history\.com\b" but given that it looks like a fairly innocuous (but probably not WP:RS) site I wonder if someone was being a jerk and going around actually 'spamming' by adding too links over and over.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC) - from [1]
- I've got no issues with the terms "blacklist" or "whitelist" they are industry terms and well understood. No concerns with rename from "spam" to something more specific like "Link blacklist". — xaosflux Talk 16:14, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Oppose: should be kept as "spam blacklist". 107.77.189.17 20:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Oppose: should be kept as "spam blacklist". 
