Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network/minutes 2018 10

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This meeting[edit]

Wednesday, October 10
12:00 – 1:00pm Eastern Time (New York)
https://zoom.us/j/610813762

Attendees[edit]

  1. John Cummings
    1. User:John Cummings
    2. WikiProject:United Nations
  2. LiAnna Davis
    1. User:LiAnna (Wiki Ed)
    2. Wiki Education Foundation
  3. Rachel Helps
    1. User:Rachel Helps (BYU), en:User:Rwelean
    2. en:Wikipedia:GLAM/Harold B Lee Library
  4. Richard Knipel
    1. user:Pharos
    2. en:Wikipedia:GLAM/Metropolitan Museum of Art
  5. Lane Rasberry
    1. user:bluerasberry
    2. University of Virginia
  6. John P. Sadowski
    1. user:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH), User:Antony-22
    2. en:Wikipedia:NIOSH

Agenda and notes[edit]

  1. Special guest LiAnna Davis of Wiki Education Foundation
    1. Introduction to Wiki Education Foundation
      1. main program - classroom program supporting university faculty in organizing their students to edit Wikipedia articles. Currently 400 classes every term participate. This program has been running since 2010.
      2. experimental program - visiting scholar program - works with university libraries to provide access to special collections to the Wikimedia community. This program worked in some cases but overall has not scaled well and has always required significant focused personal human attention.
      3. experimental program - Wikimedia fellows - bring in academic experts, often from universities, and teaching them to edit Wikipedia in a 3-month structured course which Wiki Education Foundation leads. The goal is to present this as a professional development course.
        • Rachel says -
        • I love your trainings! I recommend them to everyone :-)
        • I'm excited for the Wikipedia Fellows program
    2. Possible collaborations -
      1. Onboarding of Wikimedians in Residence at universities
        • LiAnna said that their training programs are targeted to people who are participating in Wiki Education programs. Many of those programs match the needs of institutions in general, but the materials say things like "contact your Wiki Education Foundation organizer for support.
        • Many trainings available online in the dashboard
        • https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/training
        • https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/training
        • Publishing tutorials that we develop in their training interface - outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/training
      2. Rachel asked about mentoring. Could it work for Wikimedians in Residence?
        1. John said that Wikimedia UK does this somewhat.
    3. ongoing general conversation on mutual interests
      1. Everyone is developing trainings. NIOSH is developing one.
      2. Here is Wiki Ed curricula -
    4. John Cummings asked LiAnna about community health - the challenge of people being jerks online
      1. LiAnna said that Wiki Ed focuses on support for editors, not policing of offenders
      2. Wiki Ed has staff that jumps into conflict to get new users out of controversy. The experienced Wikimedian de-escalates and resolves the issue and encourages the new editor to do something else
      3. LiAnna said that their strategy does not resolve the general problem, but as a practical matter, using experienced Wikimedians in this way is fast and easy when resources are available to arrange this
  2. Should this group establish a mailing list?
    • Rachel said that email lists can be hard to follow, but are well established and common
    • Rachel said that Google Groups are popular but it requires connecting a gmail account
    • Richard said that he liked the idea of using a slack because it works for people who like that platform
    • Richard said that we have a Facebook page which is less active
    • John Cummings said that he appreciates the monthly call and wants that to continue. He said that he liked slack. He said that email threads get long and confusing.
    • John Sadowski said that he preferred slack because it keeps messaging short.
    • Rachel said that she likes slack and telegram
    • John committed to ping Wiki UK to make a slack
    • Rachel said that email lists can be hard to follow, but are well established and common
    • Rachel said that Google Groups are popular but it requires connecting a gmail account
    • Richard said that he liked the idea of using a slack because it works for people who like that platform
    • Richard said that we have a Facebook page which is less active
    • John Cummings said that he appreciates the monthly call and wants that to continue. He said that he liked slack. He said that email threads get long and confusing.
    • John Sadowski said that he preferred slack because it keeps messaging short.
    • Rachel said that she likes slack and telegram
    • John committed to ping Wiki UK to make a slack
  3. Inviting more people to join regularly
    1. possible people to join
      1. Cochrane - Cochrane-Wikipedia Initiative/Welcome - have a one-month weekly class
      2. Wiki South Africa @Discott: invited?
      3. New hire! Wikimedian in Residence at Emory University
      4. New hire! Wikimedian in Residence at Columbia University - DaroldCuba
      5. Shhh secret hire happening in United States government at another unnamed institution
    2. John says the original idea was current and former Wikimedians in Residence and people who manage them
      1. people who need wiki orientation
        • people who want to hire
        • people who want to be a Wikimedian in Residence
    3. people who already have wiki skills
      • do not need general tutorials and training
    4. Rachel says that she is fine with anyone joining this call
      • for libraries that are part of the OCLC research consortium there is a group for people who are interested (includes both experienced Wikipedians and curious library people)
    5. John Cummings suggested tapping into Wikimedia UK which already has some training programs
  4. user group status
    1. The application for Wikimedia affiliation and user group status are still pending with AffCom
    2. Richard, Sadowski, and Michelle in netherlands are applicants
  5. Documentation for Wikimedians in Residence
    1. We need more - demand is increasing
  6. Documentation for Wikimedians in Residence
    1. We need more - demand is increasing
    2. Wikipedia is 20 years old in 2021, time to plan for history
    3. Joe Reagle - Wikipedia @ 20 book
    4. John suggested making a list of requested documentation items then choosing to collaborate.
    5. Different models for what a Wikimedian in Residence is
      1. WMF has a concept which their staff promote
      2. some people here said that in practice, what people do diverges from what WMF communicates
      3. Desire for this community to write the documentation which defines itself, rather than have non-Wikimedians in REsdience tell the story


Not discussed this time[edit]

  1. Project alerts
    1. New affinity group - Advanced technology
  2. Current state of reports per source
    1. Given a website, how to generate report of how many times and where anywhere on wiki cites / links to that website?
    2. Liam Wyatt used to do this in 2013?
    3. Jake Orlowitz requested this repeatedly?
    4. Can we do this easily?
    5. Lane did this with plain text search previously
  3. Wiki community + United Nations
    1. en:Sustainable Development Goals
      1. What could be the relationship between Wikimedia and the UN system and the SDGs (the things they want to make happen, not the legal construct)
      2. https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/?menu=1300
      3. d:Wikidata:WikiProject Sustainable Development
      4. Copyright status
      5. Sustainability Initiative
        1. Wiki loves Vegan
      6. Daniel Mietchen speaking
      7. related Wikimania 2017 submission
  4. Wikidata staging?
    1. d:Wikidata:Dataset Imports
    2. d:Wikidata:Data Import Guide
    3. en:Zenodo
    4. en:Dataverse
  5. WMF relationship
    1. hire coordinator?
      1. Wiki LGBT+ wants
      2. The Signpost wants
      3. What constitutes critical mass?
  6. skill-sharing sessions and guest speakers
    1. Proposed speakers
      1. Nav Evans
      2. Maarten Dammers
      3. Skill share among regular participants