User talk:Naleksuh

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Hey Naleksuh, and one more thing I have to say... I wanted to tell you that having your own userpage has some kind of benefit to it. Happy editing, Naleksuh! 114.149.109.20 00:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I just saw that your group is IP Block Exempt, Naleksuh. 2604:3D08:627D:A00:998D:15CC:F596:BD56 17:11, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Your RFC

In my experience and view of things, none of the proposals presented are likely to pass. There is only the smallest window of time to convince people to sanction editors, and it has likely closed in this case. If you would like advice for the future, please let me know. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 17:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

@MJL: Thank you for your message. I have been keeping an eye on proposal 3. However, that said, I do not find it largely problematic if my proposals do not pass. The world will not end from it. In addition, I expect to see more proposals or even a WMF ban in the coming months. I'll admit there are things I could have handled better in submitting and handling the RfC. I also know that there were people who were less-than-civil to me and I had to be civil to them anyway. So I do appreciate the kind message from you. If you do have more specifics advice for the future, let me know. Naleksuh (talk) 20:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

"casting aspersions"

@Tks4Fish: Please review my comment at Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Block_for_Naleksuh. The "casting aspersions" is not true, as I provided multiple evidence for the claims on the talk page, and was even able to prove another users reply wrong. In addition, the filer made claims that I was "interacting with myself" etc when I wasn't, which further shows the case should have been completely thrown out. Naleksuh (talk) 20:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Also, the discussion was still ongoing as seen here. That comment requires a response from me, as it is continuing to accuse of invalid use, which I can prove false again. So this is at the very least premature and I would like to at least to participate in the discussion. Naleksuh (talk) 20:07, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

"Casting aspersions" is not correct. Block summary states that it was "without providing evidence, even after being asked to do so or to retract". This is false, both because evidence *was* provided here and because I actively addressed the response and proved multiple statements wrong. In addition the request Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Block_for_Naleksuh had multiple errors, citing that I did not provide proof even when I did provide proof, and making several claims which were proven false, such as claiming I was responding to myself when I wasn't. The filer later retracted this claim, but replaced it with a second, also false claim, which I am required to respond to that as well, which the block during an active conversation disrupts (in addition to being based on false information and claiming there was no proof provided when there was) Naleksuh (talk) 20:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Also, I have read the talk page multiple times, and, unlike what Tks4Fish's summary claims, nobody suggested that I retract the claim, yet another sign that this is a frivolous block. Naleksuh (talk) 21:43, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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I would be willing to listen to the argument that we p[it the block in place until after the completion of the stewards' election in 2023, which would make it a ~13 month block.}}

Naleksuh asked me to comment here. This is tough because I'm on friendly terms with both Naleksuh and Operator and with one of the other editors against whom Naleksuh is said to have cast aspersions. Here's what I think is going on here.

1. Naleksuh and Operator don't get along. I haven't known either of them very long to say for sure who's at fault or if they just rub each other the wrong way.
2. Naleksuh is accused of casting aspersions without proof. The block thread shows two posts by Naleksuh, made eleven months apart (a third link is to a discussion of the second post).

It's seems weird that a block request based on making accusations without proof only shows two diffs as proof. If Naleksuh really has exhibited a pattern, not just two posts but a pattern, and bad enough to merit not only a block but a non-expiring block, then there should be a whole lot of diffs of Naleksuh doing that. Such proof may exist, but it is not shown in the block request thread. Naleksuh also says that they did provide proof when asked, and we can see they provided something. I did not check the links to assess their quality, but there's no point. It's likely that Naleksuh thinks they provided adequate proof and Operator thinks they did not, and we'd have to get deep, deep into that. I will say that I've had far worse things said about me with no proof. I didn't notice anyone actually asking Naleksuh, "Would you please withdraw what you said about V" in that thread. So I'll do it: Naleksuh, will you here withdraw the accusation that said V "lacks basic decency"? Because we all know proving that is not something any person can do. I observe that Naleksuh's unblock request does not address the second accusation Op made, which is that Naleksuh used more than one account at a time, in violation of CLEANSTART. I reread CLEANSTART and it does say that it's not okay to use two accounts at the same time, with an inferrable "even if they don't interact." Naleksuh, would you please acknowledge that you used two accounts at the same time in a way that broke the rules and will you promise not to do so going forward? Operator has acknowledged that they did not interact with each other, as originally claimed. It is possible that this is the sole reason Fish blocked you, not the claims that you failed to provide any evidence. Many people prefer to keep to the bright line rules. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:48, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24:​Hey Darkfrog24, thanks for the comment. I'm really glad to hear that I am not the only person who agrees with this. I've read through the comment and it seems there is some confusion on what the block is for. The reason says "Continued personal attacks, casting aspersions on users without providing evidence, even after being asked to do so or retract" (which has been addressed above) but no one is really sure as the blocking sysop has not said a single word despite being pinged multiple times.

Naleksuh is accused of casting aspersions without proof. The block thread shows two posts by Naleksuh, made eleven months apart (a third link is to a discussion of the second post). Yes, there were only two links, neither of which actually depict me casting aspersions, however Darkfrog24 later explains I did not check the links to assess their quality. But even aside from that, it is very concerning that there is only one recent such thing.

I observe that Naleksuh's unblock request does not address the second accusation Op made The block was for casting aspersions only, so I addressed that. However, the second accusation by Operator873 has been addressed here: Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Block_for_Naleksuh. In fact, Operator873 actually withdrew the second claim (they did replace it with another claim that was also false, and I was about to debunk that one as well but was interrupted by the block).

I reread CLEANSTART and it does say that it's not okay to use two accounts at the same time In this particular case, WP:CLEANSTART was not being used, as Krett12's user page clearly declared that Krett12 and Computer Fizz were the same person. So, there was not a clean start violation given that there was no clean start at all. But even if there was a violation, that "violation" was six years ago and I wouldn't see a need to block for it now, especially when Operator873 has known about this all along but is just now mentioning it.

It is possible that this is the sole reason Fish blocked you, not the claims that you failed to provide any evidence. If it was, I would have expected User:Tks4Fish to have used a clearer block reason. The block reason was Continued personal attacks, casting aspersions on users without providing evidence, even after being asked to do so or to retract. which appears to be centered around the "casting aspersions" (which provably did not happen), not the "abusing clean start" (which also did not happen).

In conclusion it sounds like there is some confusion based on the second accusation by Operator873, however, as for the "casting aspersions" as originally mentioned in the block message, there does appear to be a (marginal, only one user other than me has commented so far) consensus that this was a bad block. User:Tks4Fish, I would encourage you to consider removing it yourself and save face rather than allowing another sysop to get involved. Otherwise, I hope you have a great day to all involved. Thank you again for the comment, User:Darkfrog24. Naleksuh (talk) 02:45, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Casting aspersions did provably happen, your question to Vermont was clearly casting aspersions. Consensus in a discussion about the question even affirmed that everyone felt that it was casting aspersions. You are just trying to wikilaywer at this point. As for the cleanstart comments, Operator clearly used the wrong account name, the bad cleanstart was between your Computer Fizz account and Naleksuh. Looking at your edit contributions you can see clear as day you were editing as Naleksuh while still editing as ComputerFizz. Could Tks4Fishs block message have been clearer? Maybe. But it was very clear you were attacking Vermont, and had done essentially the same thing last to Operator. You have a history of doing so to people you don't like who are functionaries. Just because a block message wasn't to you liking it doesn't negate the fact you very clearly violated proper personal conduct. -Djsasso (talk) 12:21, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh and looking at your edit contributions on Krett I just noticed you made some edits in May 2020, which was after your cleanstart request with ComputerFizz, so yes, you also had a bad cleanstart by also edting as Krett12 while clean starting ComputerFizz and also editing at Naleksuh. So you were editing as all three while you were supposed to be on a cleanstart (and socking with Naleksuh before you asked for the cleanstart). -Djsasso (talk) 12:26, 18 January 2022 (UTC)