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No consensus, 29 April 2024

No background?[edit]

Hello, the "Joint Statement" does not mention Hamas or the hostages or 7 October at all? Ziko (talk) 17:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because that’s beside the point. Israel didn’t need to completely obliterate Gaza to accomplish any military objectives. As for the hostage situation, that’s undeniably horrific, but it’s not de facto genocide. I think most people get that what Hamas did is evil. Not enough people are getting what Israel is doing is disproportionate and atrocious in its own right. Dronebogus (talk) 12:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it is obvious that you have decided for you that it is not a point that matters to you. Ziko (talk) 12:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t understand what that sentence is supposed to mean. Dronebogus (talk) 10:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History does not begin on October 7th. If you have read your Torah, you should know that God has created the world and human civilization a long, long time ago. -- Interaccoonale (talk) 13:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What WMF should do?[edit]

"We call upon the Wikimedia Foundation to take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge. We urgently request the Wikimedia Foundation to prioritize the unbiased dissemination of information and the accurate and timely documentation of the ongoing human-made humanitarian disaster and the erasure of cultural heritage. "

Previously, WMF published a statement to calls for unrestricted internet connectivity and access to knowledge in Gaza in December. The Human rights team also published an a on-wiki statement regarding digital and physical security best practices and the Internet Outages Guide.

WMF is only an organization which host and support Wikimedia projects, rather than a Human rights organization. Thus, I am curious about the petitioner's thoughts on what further action WMF should take to fulfil the requirements of this statement. Thanks. SCP-2000 02:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it's rather non-specific, but still I think I understand the grammar of the petition. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they're asking wikimedia to ensure that all relevant wikipedia content is objective and fair. Assuming that's the case, it appears to be a well-justified request. Western media is quite biased on the whole. Wikpedia's articles are hardly any better at present. Consider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#Allegations_of_war_crimes. Doesn't it seem like this part of the article was confected to give the false impression that each side's war crimes are roughly mutual, reciprocal, and commensurate with the other's? Is it not bald-faced disinformation? Only Israel is charged with genocide in the world court. AP295 (talk) 23:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia project is not equal to the Wikimedia Foundation. The Wikimedia Foundation don't interfere with local community editorial decisions nor edit articles. Content disputes should be resolved through local discussion. Thanks. SCP-2000 04:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So in this case, they should probably reword the petition? I don't know exactly what they have in mind, so it would be best to let them clarify. AP295 (talk) 21:48, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Wikimedian from Gaza[edit]

As a Wikimedian from Gaza, I appreciate this initiative. I recently applied for the Movement Charter Ambassador Program grant that includes the Arabic-speaking community. However, due to my displacement and limited internet access in Gaza, engaging in lengthy discussions became extremely challenging. Unfortunately, the same group that exhausted me with discussions and pushed me to withdraw my application has now applied for the same grant. Despite my efforts to engage, I faced criticism for being perceived as uncooperative. This experience has been disheartening, especially given the difficulties I'm navigating. I believe in the importance of community support and inclusivity, and I hope we can work together to address challenges faced by Wikimedians in various contexts, including those in conflict zones like Gaza. Thank you for considering diverse perspectives and experiences within our community. Nada.FA (talk) 09:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m so sorry for what’s happened and is still happening to your country. Dronebogus (talk) 11:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm deeply sorry for what you're going through as a Human and as a Wikipedian. Hopefully, your situation gets better and the war stops soon. Emna (talk) 18:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: "If I were from Gaza (and I might be), I wouldn't allow myself to witness my country being bombed and exploit this situation to divert attention towards accepting any grant or otherwise."-@Faisal, an admin on Arabic Wikipedia. The Universal Code of Conduct considers mutual respect, including: practice empathy and assume good faith, an acceptable behaviour. However, Psychological manipulation is not acceptable according UCoC: Maliciously causing someone to doubt their own perceptions, senses, or understanding with the objective to win an argument or force someone to behave the way you want. In my opinion, Accusations of exploiting a situation or undermining someone's experience can contribute to a negative environment and may not align with the principles of empathy and understanding. Engaging in respectful discourse and fostering understanding of diverse perspectives are essential components of a healthy online community.-Nada.FA (talk) 23:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Translation[edit]

Hello @Aafi, could you please mark these updates for translation. Thanks for you. Dr-Taher (talk) 20:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done @Dr-Taher but you mustn't do what you have done in this edit. Translate unit marker numbers are issued by the Extension once a translation admin marks a page for translation. Issuing them manually doesn't work, and tampering with any t-unit number (if remained unnoticed) ruins an existing translation. A new t-unit number at the place of an existing t-unit number, turns an existing translation outdated. Often times, you won't find a sequence in these numbers which means, an item or a paragraph in between was added later, and thus issued a number later. I hope you'd take care of this in future. Best regards, ─ Aafī (talk) 20:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for you. I will take this into account. Dr-Taher (talk) 20:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine for structured approach?[edit]

Going forward, would looking at 2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine be a good starting point for inspiration for a constructive approach? It was first mentioned by User:Atcovi over at [1] Kim Bruning (talk) 14:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. We should focus on what we should do instead of debating over statement deletion and community blackouts. --魔琴 (talk) 11:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]