Problem: Sometimes, multiple entries within a category would be useful. For instance, on the French wiktionary there is a listing of French verbs that includes both the infinitive form (e.g. aimer) and a pronominal form (s’aimer). But which sort key should be given to the pronominal form? Equally valid arguments apply for a « aimer s » key and a « saimer » key. Ideally, the entry would appear twice in the category, under those two keys. There are other examples, such as proper nouns beginning with a definite article (e.g. Le Mans should be categorised under « Mans Le » and « Le Mans »).
Who would benefit: Wiktionaries, other wiki projects.
Proposed solution: Possibly add to the wiki software a magic word that can be used to specify a second (third, fourth, etc.) entry in a category’s index. Other wikicode approaches may be possible.
More comments: This could be merged with the proposal for Context-dependent sort keys, depending on the technical solution chosen.
Similar to « Mans Le » and « Le Mans »: Multiple entries will also benefit an international audience to find persons with foreign surnames in the English Wikipedia.
« Eddy Van Halen » for Chinese which are used to the first part of the name being the surname.
« Halen, Eddy van » for Dutch used to sorting on the main part of the surname.
« Van Halen, Eddy » for English and Flemish speakers that interpret 'Van Halen' as surname.
Oppose Having the same thing show up multiple times in the same category would be a confusing trainwreck, for readers, for editors, and for tools. If you need an additional entry, sorted differently, use a categorized and category-sorted redirect (e.g., with a parenthetical disambiguator). — SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 05:12, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Noé (talk) 19:27, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Having the same thing show up multiple times in the same category would be a confusing trainwreck, for readers, for editors, and for tools. If you need an additional entry, sorted differently, use a categorized and category-sorted redirect (e.g., with a parenthetical disambiguator). — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 05:12, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
