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Query about scope of grants[edit]

I am an intermittent photo contributor. Over the years my camera equipment has gradually gotten better, but I continue to be on a budget. As a result I continue to by used equipment (camera lenses and bodies) and generic accessories (lens hoods, UV filters, and remote shutter controls). The result of my buying used equipment has been that some of my sessions in which I have attempted to create photo content for the project have produced results indicating that my equipment needs significant calibration and adjustments. I have also found that my generic accessories sometimes cause problems. However, I do not know if individual photographers are eligible for grants for general photography contributions. I have no specific event in the next six months that state I need equipment for. I might not even attend another event for picture taking for another 4 or 5 months. However, I can point to recent events at which I produced lackluster results due to newly-acquired used equipment. E.g., on September 19, 2014, I attended a baseball game between the Dodgers and the Cubs. It turned out to be the 20th victory for the best baseball pitcher of the current generation (w:Clayton Kershaw). The odds are not very long that this could be the first time since 1968 that a pitcher wins w:National League MVP. I feel like the game amounts to the 20th win of the best season of the modern day w:Sandy Koufax. I shot 3803 pictures. All but 228 of them were with a newly-acquired used w:Canon EOS 7D and a w:Canon EF 70–200mm lens. It turns out that my 7D and this lens are not jointly calibrated and when used together they produce results bearing a problem known as front focusing. Over the next few weeks, you will see some of these less than perfect images at Commons:Category:2014-09-19 Cubs v. Dodgers baseball game at Wrigley Field. My generic accessories, cause problems too. E.g., during the game, I was using a generic remote shutter release cable. Sometimes this did not trigger shutter release immediately when I pressed it. If you look at Commons:Category:Matt Kemp you can see that I was shooting for shutter release timing like File:2011 Home Run Derby - Round 1 - Matt Kemp.jpg with the ball coming off of the bat. However, with my generic shutter release control, I ended up being a split second late and got File:20140919 Matt Kemp home run (1).JPG, File:20140919 Matt Kemp home run (2).JPG and File:20140919 Matt Kemp home run (3).JPG instead. I just am at a loss to describe what my specific engagement is however, because I am not a professional photographer with specific event responsibilities to attend to. I have specific equipment needs that would enable me to be a better photographer (A body and a lens or two). Can you give me advice on whether it is worth applying and how I might approach applying?--TonyTheTiger (talk) 07:08, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: One point I would like to note is that, as larger impact to the Wikimedia projects is desirable, I believe a project that will help many people would be more likely to be funded, than helping one person. Grants:IdeaLab/Cameras for Commons photographers is a similar idea with a bit broader scope; I suggest looking at its talk page if you are interested in expanding the scope. Another idea might be to seek fund from a chapter or user group near to you that can help finding fund for shared equipment in a more informal and quick way. whym (talk) 13:57, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

MediaWiki extensions[edit]

"Any technical components must be standalone or completed on-wiki. Projects are completed without assistance or review from WMF engineering, so MediaWiki Extensions or software features requiring code review and integration cannot be funded."

I don't think that's true. There are plenty of volunteers with +2 on extension repositories and core so major projects could easily be completed without any assistance from WMF engineering. It's a shame that IEG restricts people to working on gadgets, when they could and should be real MediaWiki extensions. Legoktm (talk) 23:33, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

This restriction, at least, does not promote complying with MW's coding conventions and using a peer-review system (which probably should be endorsed). -- Rillke (talk) 17:23, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
@Legoktm: Definitely, also considering that gadgets could have security issues too. A more in-depth discussion can be found in the archive. --Ricordisamoa 16:47, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


Please pay attention to categories, at very least the IEG's own categories! It was impossible for me to find the current proposals, and I had almost given up, until I discovered that Category:IEG 2015 round 2 existed, despite not being included in Category:IEG/Proposals‎. If you make things so hard for reviewers don't be surprised if some of them are a bit grumpy while commenting. ;) Nemo 15:26, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for catching this, Nemo. We encourage most reviewers to use the lists of drafts and proposals here, but good to know you're finding the category helpful as well. Some proposals from past rounds end up being updated for a new round, and the round info doesn't always get added immediately for all those while we're still figuring out who is coming back and who has abandoned their proposal, so that's why we use status rather than round to generate the lists on the IEG page. Cheers, Siko (WMF) (talk) 16:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
I am unable to use Grants:IEG for lack of a TOC. When I open Grants:IEG#ieg-reviewing, my screen doesn't show any open proposal. It would be helpful to know what categories are supposed to work. Nemo 17:29, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Not requesting a grant[edit]

Please consider this feedback on your talk page. This is the page I was send to when I clicked on your talk page. If this is not the right place, feel free to move it to the correct location.

I wanted to start a project. Until I read this. This is bureaucracy. If you want to start a project, you have to wait 15 months. Moreover you can only ask at specific times in the year, so you actually have to wait 15-27 months. And the support is only for 6 months (or 12 if a second request is granted). This means the project could already have been done 3 times. And moreover people have to spend time on the request forms, with an extensive project to support request forms, and monthly reports, and midterm reports, and final reports. And why do you put a limit on the duration of a project. What problem is created if people spend less money over a longer period. Time limits are probably caused by the monthly reports. Drop the monthly reports and ask for a certain amount spread over the period and you are fine too.

If I ask my local chapter for support, I can start my project tomorrow. And the project has no time limit. There are two dozen requests here. Sit down, check a request a day. See you in a month. Maybe some delay, see you in 2 months. Or start a second commission if it is too much. Or a third. Anything, but don't make people wait 20 months. Wikipedia celebrates 15 years soon, and these people spend 10% of that time, waiting for a grant. Wikimedia is supposed to support the volunteers. Spending volunteers on bureaucracy is actually taking away volunteer time. Instead of writing these volunteers are in discussion for 20 months or waiting in line for 20 months. Being open is great. Delaying projects that can help us, is not.

Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 11:13, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

And for the record, my project idea was to start local Wikipedia communities at Universities and Highschools. Send 1 email to 10.000 students, put up some flyers, if 1/1000 people is interested you maybe get 2 people who stay. Have them start a Wikipedia student organisation (not a Wikipedian in resident or ambassador, just students being students), and meet monthly. Give them 5 dollar per meeting for drinks, food or flyers; and let the students gather more students. Call the meeting a Wikipedia helpdesk and the entire university has instant access to Wikipedians. Most Wikipedians live within 30 miles of a university/highschool (in my area at least) so every (non-student) wikipedian would have a local meeting they could attend. Schools already have internet, computer, rooms. A grant would only be needed to set it up. Once in place, everything is free. Two people at 20 universities/highschools and a local Wikipedia would have a huge boost in volunteers. I am doing this in the Netherlands without a grant. Sure it is a long term plan, and it cannot be done in 6 months, but it is a plan and a grant request would have stopped me. If someone wants to start this in their own country, tell me and you have my support. Taketa (talk) 11:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Hello Taketa, Thanks for sharing your thoughts about the IEG program. I'm offering some responses below:
  • I'm not sure that I understand what you mean when you say that you'll have to wait 15 months to start a project. From the submission deadline, the community and committee review of proposals takes around two months to the announcement of grant awards. Assuming grantees are responsive in their communication, it usually takes another 2-4 weeks for funding to be disbursed.
  • We do think that providing some budget and timeline guidelines helps many grantees to organize their projects into manageable phases, but we have always been flexible about project cost and duration when grantees communicate needs that require it.
  • That said, we think you're right that some projects would benefit from a quicker and lighter-weight application process, and that it would be better to offer more opportunities to apply for funding. We're working on restructuring our grants programs now and we'll be making changes that will improve our structure in relation to both these points. You can read more about the changes we're considering in this report. There, you'll see that we're planning to launch a quick, lightweight Rapid Grants program with a rolling application process. We're also doubling the number of open calls each year in the new Project Grants program (replacing IEG) so that people don't have to wait so long between opportunities to apply.
  • If you'd like to reconsider your decision to submit a grant proposal, I'm happy to talk with you about your project or offer support with putting together an application. There's still time to apply by the September 29 deadline.
Warm regards, --Marti (WMF) (talk) 22:21, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Dear Marti, thank you for the clear response. You are ofcourse correct, I must have had a bad evening if I misread a december 2015 as december 2016. Also good to hear you will be increasing the amount of dates a year. Let me put it in perspective. The good thing is the idea of a 15 month wait pissed me of enough that I have started a writing week. I made some calls today and made agreements. Next week several newspapers will anounce the writing week to 100.000 homes, Wikimedia Netherland already supports it and has announced it on their website, Wikipedians have expressed support, I have cooperation of a library which will hold a meeting, 3 newspapers, probably a television crew, municipal politicians, etc. Tomorrow I am calling the governor, provincial media and a local school (all of this on the other side of the country, with two other Wikipedians manning the meeting in the library). Oh, and some of the articles written during the week will be published afterwards in a newspaper with 70.000 copies, to reward Wikipedians who write articles. It is that easy, it takes no time at all. I will give it another thought whether or not I should try the grant system or stay out of it. At least thank you for your time and for your clear explanation. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 21:15, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Wow, it sounds like you've been very busy, Taketa! Good idea to have the local newspaper publish some of the articles as an incentive to participation! You may already know this, but I want to make sure you are aware that there is funding available to support events through the Project and Event Grants (PEG) program. That program has a rolling deadline, so even if you don't apply for IEG by September 29, you may still want to seek support from that program. Either way, I wish you luck with the awesome work you are doing! Cheers, --Marti (WMF) (talk) 17:24, 25 September 2015 (UTC)