Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Jamaican

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Jamaican
submitted verification final decision
Application-certificate.svg This proposal has been approved.
The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project.

A committee member provided the following comment:

Duly approved. See bug T134017 for the technical progress. --MF-W 22:14, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code jam (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Jamaican Patois Language name in English
Language name Jumiekan Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q35939 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Jamaican Patois
  • native label (P1705) = Jumiekan
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = creole language, modern language, language / English-based creole languages
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) = jam
  • writing system (P282) = Latin script
  • number of speakers (P1098) = 3,200,000


Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name Wikipidia "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace Wikipidia usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace Wikipidia diskoshan "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo [[:File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-jam.svg]] 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone UTC-5 "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

  • Number of speakers: 3,100,000 Speakers
  • Locations spoken: Jamaica, Costa Rica, Panama, United States, UK, San Andrés (Colombia)
  • Related languages: Nigerian Pidgin, English, Belizean Kriol, Cameroon Krio

Jamaican Patois is a Creole language spoken in Jamaica. It has more than 2,000,000 speakers in Jamaica and large immigrant speaking communities in Costa Rica and Panama. This Wikipedia would be well maintained. Also, 53% of the Jamaican population have access to the internet. And probably more in immigrant communities in Costa Rica, Panama, the UK and the United States.

Arguments in favor[edit]

  • 'Support' The wiki would grow due to a large number of speakers. --Kanzler31 01:48, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
  • 'Support' This language is spoken in Jamaica (among all levels of society), and in expat commnuities all over the world. It would also encourage a wealth of information about Jamaica, the Caribbean, Jamaican peoples' perspective on things and Jamaican issues to Wikipedia. This would then encourage their translation (via direct and TOTW) to other WPs. fr33kman t - c 01:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
  • 'Support' This language would also benefit from it's Wikipedia existence. Forums, e-mail exchange and social networking websites are helping it to gain ground as a literary language. Wikipedia would help standardize the written form of Jumiekan Patwa. --Hroobjartr 15:08, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
  • 'Support' Many Jamaicans (and non-Jamaicans) use the English Wikipedia without even noticing. Many non-Jamaicans also speak the Jamaican Patois (Jumiekan Patwa) or Creole and having this may allow even more people to help make the language more "firm". Hazard-SJ 06:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Support I think it can be approved.Md. Farhan 14:04, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Support per above----Andrijko Z. 19:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Support. Surprised it hasn't already been created a long time ago. -- OlEnglish (Talk) 15:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Support - As an American who lived in Jamaica as a child, I'd like to see Patwa standardized, and this would go a long way to help to achieve that. - BilCat 22:12, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Support - The orthography is being established and more people, Jamaicans especially, are becoming literate in their own language. A Jamaican Wikipedia would support and strengthen this. --Yocahuna 01:15, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Support - There are enough good quality articles in this project to open Jamaican Wikipedia.--Wisconsus 16:34, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Rehmat Aziz Chitrali 14:11, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - This language has a great number of speakers and a high prestige for a creole language. The test wiki is not exactly moribund. Go for it, this language deserves a Wikipedia! Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 12:43, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Arguments against[edit]

Oppose the orthography seems to just be IPA which mean's it's just spelling English in the manner it is pronounced in Jamaica.Luciferwildcat (talk) 03:50, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Look at the incubator. "Dem ya piej ya a fi wahn tes Wikipedia ina Jumiekan Patwa. Wi uda riili laik di elp a di Jumiekandem out de. Di rikwes fi di nyuu Jumiekan Wikipedia onggl ago go chuu ef ahn wen wi ave inuf haatikl ina di langwij." Does that look like IPA? 188.2.7.158 14:11, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Not convinced by the orthography, or the development of the language beyond an informal version into higher register.-MacRusgail (talk) 22:56, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Other discussion[edit]

Any localization efforts? Kanzler31 19:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

At the moment, the required localization has been done. Efforts should now be focused on content (Incubator test wiki). SPQRobin (talk) 21:56, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Approval[edit]

We have been for more than two months working on the Jamaican Wikipedia. I would like to ask for its approval as it meets the requirements for it. --Katxis (talk) 14:37, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

How is it going this Wikipedia's approval? --Katxis (talk) 09:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

User:GerardM tells me the language board do give it attention. So just keep on writing. :) Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 16:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi all, please check whether the data in the table at the top of the page are correct, and please add the missing ones (e.g. desired timezone). --MF-W 15:38, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

What does "ns_project" mean? The rest is correct. --Katxis (talk) 06:37, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
It's the project namespace (on English Wikipedia, "Wikipedia:" & "Wikipedia talk:"). --MF-W 12:58, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Ok, it is done now. --Katxis (talk) 08:55, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
"Project talk namespace" should have the equivalent of "Wikipedia talk:" (I guess "Diskoshan: Mien Piej" is "Talk:Main Page"?) --MF-W 14:19, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

I am sorry but I don't understand very well what needs to be translated. If it is:

  • Wikipedia talk: - Wikipidia diskoshan:
  • Project talk namespace: Prajek diskoshan niemspies --Katxis (talk) 17:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, it was the former. --MF-W 22:11, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
pending config change in code review is here https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/286258/ Mutante (talk) 23:41, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I would like to thank the effort of all Administrators of Meta and the Incubator for the approval of the Jamaican Wikipedia. I would like to ask as well if we can continue editing or we have to wait until the Wikipedia is moved. Thank you so much for your time, pacience, effort and assistance you have provided to us. --Katxis (talk) 07:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm just a regular user, but I think it usually takes at least a few days for a new wiki to actually be created and content moved into it. You can monitor the progress at phab:T134017 and (after the new wiki is created) incubator:Incubator:Site creation log#Approved. Unless someone else says otherwise, you should be able to continue editing the test wiki until the importing begins. - dcljr (talk) 00:04, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia name[edit]

OK, the Wikipedia for this language has been created and is now open for editing. At the Incubator it has been called the "Jamaican Creole English" Wikipedia (same in the List of Wikipedias here at Meta), whereas the (English) Wikipedia article for the language calls it "Jamaican Patois" throughout (also mentioning "Jamaican Creole" in the lead section). That article doesn't mention "Creole English" anywhere (except the interwiki link to the new Wikipedia that was added recently at the bottom of the article). And the Jamaican English article warns that that language is "not to be confused with Jamaican Patois, also known as Jamaican or Jamaican Creole." I see that this request for and approval of the new language was based on the language name "Jamaican Patois" (see table at top of this page). So should we omit the word "English" from "Jamaican Creole" or use "Jamaican Patois" instead? (I'm asking specifically in the context of the "official" English name of the Wikipedia, as used, say, in announcements at Wikimedia News.) - dcljr (talk) 05:30, 9 May 2016 (UTC)