Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Lingua Franca Nova 2

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Lingua Franca Nova 2
submitted verification final decision
Application-certificate.svg This proposal has been approved.
The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project.

A committee member provided the following comment:

phabricator:T183561 --MF-W 15:46, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code lfn (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Lingua Franca Nova Language name in English
Language name Elefen Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q146803 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Lingua Franca Nova
  • native label (P1705) = Lingua Franca Nova
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = constructed language /
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) = lfn
  • writing system (P282) = Latin script
  • number of speakers (P1098) =


Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name Vicipedia "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace Vicipedia usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace Vicipedia Discute "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-lfn.png 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone UTC "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

Arguments in favour[edit]

  • Strong Support - --Katxis (talk) 09:03, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • As a fluent speaker who has published a translation of Alice in Wonderland and written a daily news blog in Elefen for over three years, I support this proposal. Sajmĉjo (talk) 14:47, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Strong support - much activity! many editors! Basil dunwoody (talk) 21:05, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Support --Yocahuna (talk) 22:18, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Support -- Language name = elefen -- Muctesuar (talk) 14:51, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Strong Support - Surely one of the finest constructed languages. Xabadiar (talk) 14 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. My point of criticism below is clearly being addressed. One-sentence stubs have been massively deleted or expanded. The random page option shows that the average page length is becoming better. Therefore, I no longer have any valid objections. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 13:16, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Support It has an active community. TerranBoy (talk) 12:25, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. As far as I am concerned, the only thing that really matters is whether a project is viable or not. I'd much rather have a well-functioning Wikipedia project in a language with no native speakers at all than a project in a language with millions of speakers that is still unable to become anything more than a small collection of oneliners. I believe LFN has already demonstrated that this project has the potential of becoming a bigger success than many of the already existing projects, so why not? IJzeren Jan (talk) 19:14, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Arguments against[edit]

  • While I'm not in essence opposed to a Wikipedia LFN, I would like to see some more constructive edits. As it looks now, most activity is the creation of three sentence stubs, often with a single table. It would be way better if users concentrated on the creation of a few articles with substantial contents than on ten million practically empty pages. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 09:29, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
    • Sorry but today I've been adding articles from the Wikia and I forgot there were stubs most of them. I will be deleting those ones and leaving the ones with more content. Most of our content is more than stubs and we've been working for more than six months on this project on a daily basis. Of course, there will be some stubs but most of our articles have more than three lines, templates and images so they are rather complete in my opinion. As I said, I will delete the smaller stubs and I will add content to the others. --Katxis (talk) 17:17, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
      • Sure, good. As I pointed out: it is a concern I have and I hope to retreat my criticism when there is improvement :) --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 17:40, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Exactly how is another conlang constructive? This is what happens when someone edits Wikipedia to promote their English-based conlang. And, we all know about the story of Yaroslav, the Russian conlanger gone mad. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 17:10, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
    • Your argument has no point. We are not the ones to blame for the attitude of other Wikipedian. --Katxis (talk) 07:40, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

General discussion[edit]

  • Question Question: There is a project at Wikia already (see wikia:lfn). Is that to be merged with this? Ignored? Why would you duplicate efforts? StevenJ81 (talk) 22:12, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
    • I belive the encyclopedic articles will be removed from the Elefen Wikia if the Elefen Wikipedia is accepted. --Angel Blaise (talk) 21:18, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Localisation update[edit]

Settings[edit]

Please complete the settings in the table at the top of the page (project namespace etc.). We need it for filing the bug. --MF-W 18:11, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Pinged one of the key contributors off wiki. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:34, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
@MF-Warburg: seems done by Katxis. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:50, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
It is. But while I've marked this as "approved" already, the fact is that I had forgotten to put a notification at Talk:Language committee. It's there now, but you probably shouldn't create a phabricator task until next Friday. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:23, 18 December 2017 (UTC)