Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Orang Seletar

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Orang Seletar
submitted verification final decision
Applications-system.svg This language has been verified as eligible.
The language is eligible for a project, which means that the subdomain can be created once there is an active community and a localized interface, as described in the language proposal policy. You can discuss the creation of this language project on this page.

Once the criteria are met, the language committee can proceed with the approval, will verify the test project content with a reliable neutral source, such as a professor or expert and notify the Board of Trustees for a possible veto.

If you think the criteria are met, but the project is still waiting for approval, feel free to notify the committee and ask them to consider its approval.

  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code ors (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Orang Seletar Language name in English
Language name Oran Seletar Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q4208197 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Orang Seletar
  • native label (P1705) =
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = language, modern language / Malayic languages
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) =
  • writing system (P282) =
  • number of speakers (P1098) =
Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name Wikipedia "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

Arguments in favour[edit]

  • Support if a native speaker is available, and an incubator with at least some localization is begun. if successful a wikipedia for such a small language would be fantastic, it is doable. Malaysia has a high degree of internet access.Qrc2006 18:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Arguments against[edit]

  • this is a real small group of speakers and there is no activity to be seen. GerardM 21:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  • extremely small language for Internet presence. No activity or support for project whatsoever. No other references present. No need to keep this open, I think. Siebrand 11:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose Where is the Native speaker? Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 06:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I do not see enough of a number of people that speak this language to support the creation of this Wikipedia at this time. Since a small number of people speak this language, there are doubts as to whether or not you will get enough active contributors to make this Wikipedia work Cheers, Razorflame 16:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I don't think this is really necessary, given the excessively small group of native speakers. –Juliancolton (talk) 20:05, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose Strong Oppose Even though the language is progressively dying, we have no incubator project. Most importantly, most people who speak the language have no access to the internet. --Kanzler31 03:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose- Malay also their language.--Aplikasi 03:20, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose Just write this in Malay Wikipedia, I don't know why @GerardM: marked this as "eligible" ten years ago. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:17, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Eligible means that technically it could have a Wikipedia. This means that the language is recognised and that for such technical reasons it will not be dismissed. So, when people care to they can do the localisation and write in the incubator and it will be reviewed. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 05:40, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
@GerardM: But if there's really NO people that are interesting to create it, then how do you think your hope can still be valid? As far as I've asked in the Makassar Malay request page, members of WMCUGM considered that contents in most of dialects of Malay, include this one, should be combined with Malay Wikipedia under same way that Romansh Wikipedia does. And I also found a poll on Twitter that (kindly, I've ignored that URL) many Tweets that about linguistics of ASEAN countries are in fact opposing creation of just this one, so please consider, as again I'm crying with tears o(╥﹏╥)o to cancel your wrong action in the past decade. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:47, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Eligible only means that when people localise for a language and write the article in the Incubator that the efforts will not be denied. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 17:53, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Very simply wrong point, your eligible does meaning that this would be approved in the near future, which as nearly ALL communities from Malay Peninsula Symbol oppose vote oversat.svg Strong oppose this proposal, and they always say that actually no body should keep an eye on creating this project, I don't see how this can't be rejected under stale criteria. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:11, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
While I agree that activity/test creation is necessary for the eligibility of this test, "nearly ALL communities from Malay Peninsula strongly oppose this proposal" would be counted as a fallacy (argumentum ad populum). The language is recognized by SIL. So, unless the people speaking this particular variety oppose the creation, there is - as far as I can see - no valid reason to assume it can't be eligible if it were active. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 19:43, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Other discussion[edit]

According to Ethnologue there are only 1600 people speaking the language .. can you tell more about the people proposing this project ? GerardM 14:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Localisation update[edit]

  • Currently 0.00% of the most used MediaWiki messages have been localised. Localisation of these messages is a requirement before your request is finally assessed. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM