Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Moroccan Amazigh

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Moroccan Amazigh
submitted verification final decision
Discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Votes will be ignored when judging the proposal. Please provide arguments or reasons and be prepared to defend them (see the Language proposal policy).

The language committee needs to verify the language is eligible to be approved.

  • Check that the project does not already exist (see list).
  • Obtain an ISO 639 code
  • Ensure the requested language is sufficiently unique that it could not exist on a more general wiki.
  • Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language.
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code zgh (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Moroccan Amazigh Language name in English
Language name ⵜⴰⵎⴰⵣⵉⵖⵜ (ⴰⵎⵔⵔⵓⴽ) Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q7598268 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Standard Moroccan Berber
  • native label (P1705) =
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = language, modern language / Berber languages
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) = zgh
  • writing system (P282) =
  • number of speakers (P1098) =
Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community ⵕⴰⵊⵉ (NP), Amara-Amaziɣ (N), ⵢⴰⵙⵉⵏ ⴰⵢⵜ ⵍⵎⵓⴷⴷⵏ (N), Brahim-essaidi (N), Mdb897 (N), Mazighstan (N)
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name ⵡⵉⴽⵉⴱⵉⴷⵢⴰ "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace ⵡⵉⴽⵉⴱⵉⴷⵢⴰ usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace ⴰⵎⵙⴰⵡⴰⵍ ⵏ ⵡⵉⴽⵉⴱⵉⴷⵢⴰ "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo [[:Wikipedia-logo-v2-zgh.png]] 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone Africa/Casablanca "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

Arguments in favour[edit]

  • The first argument is that Tamazight (Tamazight in native language can be Amazigh as well as a neutral form used in a foreing language) is definelty a language. This language was not written for several secularies, and thus the usage of the written language has been lost up to the 20th century were a cultural and intellectual renaissance took place.
  • The second argument is that the number of speakers is a second argument, 70% of morrocan population plus some 30% of algerian population represent over 20 millions of speakers of tamazight
  • The third argument for is that Tamazight is a language which is widely oppressed by governments in its original countries, even if in the late years it has been recognised as a national but non official language, still it is not promoted and to use it in wikipedia could be a greate opportunity to enrich the language and keep one of the humanity assets preserved
  • Amazigh are the indigenous peoples of North Africa west of the Nile Valley, their language is Tamazight and they are around 40 million people, whose alphabet is the ancestor of Tifinagh, however the script who will be adopted here will be the Latin script. 213.177.168.7 15:27, 1 February 2011 (UTC)Mehdi SB
  • i think having wikipedia in Tamazight is very important because north africa is amazigh by origin ,also we amazighs feel the pride of having and reading things in our own language which is neither arabic nor any other language but Tamazight but still i think this should be done using Tifinagh i started learning in and i succeded in only two days it is so easy with the motivition just try it
  • Tamazight est la langue natale de plus de 15 millions personnes au Maroc, donc wikipedia Tamazight va être un support multimédia pour la culture Amazigh au Maroc et le caractère Tifinagh adopté par l'IRCAM favorise l'unification de Tarifit, Tamazight et Tachlhit surtout au Maroc.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by ⵕⴰⵊⵉ (talk) 16:24, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

  • I Support the creation of Moroccan Amazigh project, the identity consciousness is rising in Morocco and so as the lingual renaissance of the aboriginal language of North Africans. There's -for sure- a huge cultural heritage that should be conserved and revived through its original language. I suggest that this project can have the possibility to switch between latin and tifinagh scripts -just like the Serbian and Kazakh wikipedias-, as both writing systems are largely used. And thus attract many readers/writers to the community.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Muhnmas (talk)

  • I fully agree with everything that was said above. But looking at the Test Wiki, Tifinagh should not be the main script used, it only makes Tamazight a lot less accessible and obscure. How many people have Tifinagh keyboards? How do you expect Amazigh people raised in western countries to read and contribute? I understand the cultural value of using Tifinagh, but I see this Wiki growing to be a great resource online to actually learn Tamazight, so we should lower the barrier to entry. --moboudra (talk) 17:43, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Clerking note[edit]

As I merged Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Standard Moroccan Berber into this page, I noticed that neither page had ever been formally verified by LangCom. There is no reason zgh should not be eligible, though I suppose there is a question as to whether projects in zgh and tzm should really be separate projects. But in any event, until someone in LangCom formally verifies this project as "eligible", I've marked it as "open". StevenJ81 (talk) 16:43, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi @StevenJ81:, I do not know why this project has not yet been marked as a eligible. But If the confusion between these two languages is what prevents zgh from being eligible, i will try to explain the difference between these languages. tzm is one of the three Berber varieties spoken in morocco (Which are: shi, tzm and rif), and zgh is the standard form of this varieties. It was developed by the Royal Institute of Amazigh Culture in 2003 for its integration in the educational system. (IRCAM Website). tzm and shi have a high degree of mutual intelligibility, Riffian may appear unintelligible at first glance for Shilha and Atlas Tamazight speakers, but it becomes quickly more familiar with a little time and practice, Because the differences between Rifan and other two varieties are largely phonological, rather than syntactic, and they share a high degree of the same vocabulary and grammar. So The Atlas Tamazight, Shilha and Riff languages can coexist on the standard Amazigh language Wikipedia. In addition, the project has a chance of success more than others and it is better to focus on one project rather than dispersion of efforts in various projects.--Mdb897 (talk) 18:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)