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This page is a draft. It is intended to capture learnings and is not intended as a final program design. Hisham 14:24, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

All the best Hisham and Nitika for IEP 2.0. -- naveenpf 10:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


If the goal is to increase community awareness and input, it's critical that conversations between the Wikipedia community and Wikimedia staff take place where the Wikipedians actually are. Programs on need to be discussed on and staff need to be responsive there. I'd venture a guess that the vast majority of the editors most impacted by this program do not come here, do not check talk pages here, may not even have an account here. We are volunteers; making us work harder to deal with this program and to communicate with staff is not appropriate. From the current stated setup of communication, it appears that this fundamental lesson has not gotten through.

Additionally, IRC is not a substitute for talk page use. Again, we are volunteers. 9 pm IST is during early morning and working hours for USians, during the standard work day for Brits, and is the middle of the night for Ozzies and Kiwis. Relying on IRC will inevitably give you an extremely limited forum for communication with editors in a global project. Danger 00:48, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. Absolutely yes on both your points. The link you referenced was intended to point out that we should have one single page. This will be on the respective language wikipedia and not on meta or anywhere else.
IRCs are not going to be a substitute for talk page comments. We intend to publish logs so that those who can't attend can read at a more convenient time and there will be flexibility in timings to accomodate time zones. Hisham 17:43, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
"IRCs are not going to be a substitute for talk page comments. We intend to publish logs "
So if you're not on the IRC lovefest at the time, you're already a read-only second-class citizen. Once again, this is what was done for IEP #1 - the WMF lecture down to the editors and deliver their dictat, without looking for responses. Andy Dingley 10:27, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Many wikiprojects use real-time irc meetings to supplement asynchronous wiki discussion; each medium has its uses. Wiki-editors should be first-class citizens in the discussion; if you don't see that happening, you might suggest improvements to the design. Or are you opposed to the idea of projects having any real-time meetings at all? SJ talk   01:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


As said on wikimedia-l, this page may need to be archived. I don't know if IEP 2.0 exists for real under this name, anyway the reports/outcome should also made more prominent in the page, probably. --Nemo 15:26, 21 March 2013 (UTC)