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Hello, VChang (WMF). Welcome to the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! This website is for coordinating and discussing all Wikimedia projects. You may find it useful to read our policy page. If you are interested in doing translations, visit Meta:Babylon. You can also leave a note on Meta:Babel or Wikimedia Forum if you need help with something (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). Also worthwhile acquainting yourself with the functions of global user pages. Happy editing! —— Eric LiuTalk 13:54, 11 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Movement Strategy and Governance News – Issue 6[edit]

Movement Strategy and Governance News
Issue 6, April 2022Read the full newsletter


Welcome to the sixth issue of Movement Strategy and Governance News! This revamped newsletter distributes relevant news and events about the Movement Charter, Universal Code of Conduct, Movement Strategy Implementation grants, Board of trustees elections and other relevant MSG topics.

This Newsletter will be distributed quarterly, while the more frequent Updates will also be delivered weekly. Please remember to subscribe here if you would like to receive future issues of this newsletter.

  • Leadership Development - A Working Group is Forming! - The application to join the Leadership Development Working Group closed on April 10th, 2022, and up to 12 community members will be selected to participate in the working group. (continue reading)
  • Universal Code of Conduct Ratification Results are out! - The global decision process on the enforcement of the UCoC via SecurePoll was held from 7 to 21 March. Over 2,300 eligible voters from at least 128 different home projects submitted their opinions and comments. (continue reading)
  • Movement Discussions on Hubs - The Global Conversation event on Regional and Thematic Hubs was held on Saturday, March 12, and was attended by 84 diverse Wikimedians from across the movement. (continue reading)
  • Movement Strategy Grants Remain Open! - Since the start of the year, six proposals with a total value of about $80,000 USD have been approved. Do you have a movement strategy project idea? Reach out to us! (continue reading)
  • The Movement Charter Drafting Committee is All Set! - The Committee of fifteen members which was elected in October 2021, has agreed on the essential values and methods for its work, and has started to create the outline of the Movement Charter draft. (continue reading)
  • Introducing Movement Strategy Weekly - Contribute and Subscribe! - The MSG team have just launched the updates portal, which is connected to the various Movement Strategy pages on Meta-wiki. Subscriber to get up-to-date news about the various ongoing projects. (continue reading)
  • Diff Blogs - Check out the most recent publications about the UCoC on Wikimedia Diff. (continue reading)

Thanks for reading. Xeno (WMF) 02:23, 13 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Movement Strategy and Governance News – Issue 7[edit]

Movement Strategy and Governance News
Issue 7, July-September 2022Read the full newsletter


Welcome to the 7th issue of Movement Strategy and Governance News! The newsletter distributes relevant news and events about the implementation of Wikimedia's Movement Strategy recommendations, other relevant topics regarding Movement governance, as well as different projects and activities supported by the Movement Strategy and Governance (MSG) team of the Wikimedia Foundation.

The MSG Newsletter is delivered quarterly, while the more frequent Movement Strategy Weekly will be delivered weekly. Please remember to subscribe here if you would like to receive future issues of this newsletter.

  • Movement sustainability: Wikimedia Foundation's annual sustainability report has been published. (continue reading)
  • Improving user experience: recent improvements on the desktop interface for Wikimedia projects. (continue reading)
  • Safety and inclusion: updates on the revision process of the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines. (continue reading)
  • Equity in decisionmaking: reports from Hubs pilots conversations, recent progress from the Movement Charter Drafting Committee, and a new white paper for futures of participation in the Wikimedia movement. (continue reading)
  • Stakeholders coordination: launch of a helpdesk for Affiliates and volunteer communities working on content partnership. (continue reading)
  • Leadership development: updates on leadership projects by Wikimedia movement organizers in Brazil and Cape Verde. (continue reading)
  • Internal knowledge management: launch of a new portal for technical documentation and community resources. (continue reading)
  • Innovate in free knowledge: high-quality audiovisual resources for scientific experiments and a new toolkit to record oral transcripts. (continue reading)
  • Evaluate, iterate, and adapt: results from the Equity Landscape project pilot (continue reading)
  • Other news and updates: a new forum to discuss Movement Strategy implementation, upcoming Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election, a new podcast to discuss Movement Strategy, and change of personnel for the Foundation's Movement Strategy and Governance team. (continue reading)

RamzyM (WMF) 01:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Releases in mono language (Wikimedia Movement)[edit]

Hello, Vivian, my name is Omotecho, and thank you delivering "Movement Strategy and Governance News – Issue 7". Now, I have dropped a note on your jawp user talk page. Kindly remember that as well as my post here is a personal idea, but I just wished to cast a light on how a local community (not the majority of her I wish) react to non-ja notices and releases delivered.

The community members of ja speakers are keen to read notices, however, anything not in ja tends to be left unread, or they wish to bypass it so badly that they can split Noticeboard by language, or written in Japanese or not. A "tentative" de-route, till ja community welcomes a facilitator for Movement Strategy and Governance team. OK, IMHO it might lead to un-informedness, crossing my fingers it won't end up as un-informed ratification votes.

Then, don't you think Movement related releases should not be in mono language? Is it wise to try and connect people on a vessel not fit to them? What initiatives on Strategy 2030 urges us to think and reflect on such situation?

No hard feelings, but I am worried that language barrier persists so that ja community will loose its momentum to stay as speakers/listeners on the very important issue of Wikimedia Movement. I am very proud that 80+ votes were cast on the ratification vote, on Movement Strategy Implementation. Yes, we listened, thanks to a facilitator very sincere and stubborn to put meta pages into ja. They motivated a handful of us and created Foundation jargon thesaurus. (It's still live now.)

Please ask me anytime if I left anything unclear. Sorry I don't have any statistics or numbers to share...

※=There has been a very long debate on jawp Village Pump, very rare case lasting from June 2022 into August 2022 about how we segregate releases. It is in favor of splitting the Noticeboard on Main Page, and if anybody wants their notices read, they will write/translate that before delivery to ja-Noticeboard, or they can expect very few readers on the separate Noticeboard, even if its Table of Contents can be displayed on the ja-Noticeboard.

Kindly, --Omotecho (talk) 08:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Omotecho, wonderful meeting youǃ I have responded on my jawp user talk page to your message; please let me know if you have further questions or comments. Many thanks for also sharing the discussion on jawp Village Pump. From the end of the Movement Strategy and Governance team, whichever the community decides we will follow respectfully (regarding where should EN messages or Foundation messages go).
Regarding your concerns, I totally see that. If you have any suggestions of how we can do better during this period while the recruitment is still ongoing, would you kindly share them with us? Would it be preferable if I reach out to you (or other community members) and see if anyone could support the translations before an announcement is shared? If you have any advice on how we can connect better with Japanese community members on Movement Strategy and Governance matters, would really like to know more. Many thanks for taking the time to write to me.
Kind regards, VChang (WMF) (talk) 10:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@VChang (WMF), thank you so much replying me, and please pardon me for multi-post. I am sure that one user on jawp will contact you sooner on mono language releases. They will talk for jawp users.
I am so thankful for that person, honor how they is keen to bridge ja community over the hurdle of language topped with WMF jargons, who has been maintaining a thesaurus, but too humble to move it out from Draft level. They joins many Zoom meetings, and very upset to find those WMF attendees said they were content with how internationalization/translation is handled by WMF.
Before going into that topic.
Offering payment to translation: following is my personal idea and view, and no idea of ja community favors or not. As you might have sensed, we have many users who translate articles into jawp, who are very afraid of hen pecking to receive WMF funds when they offer translation/labor. Local climate is: "Admins/Check users donate their personal hours and unpaid, why you receive money from the Foundation?"
  • Then as a vessel/grantee, ja community is not even a user group nor an Affiliate, too bad WMF can't pay forward translation fee to that group. Maybe presenting this open issue for ja community be a door to discussion?
  • Decorating translation payment as scholarship? I am not sure acceptable by my peers speaking ja.
  • WMF offers the translation payment as donation to good causes in the name of jawp community, like for education at UNICEF or COVID guardians at Red-cross Japan, or the generous National Diet Library, a source of Commons resources. Too idealistic or a tall tale, or portion of editors familiar with cloud-funding ethics might agree?
Mapping translation budget-wise: Just an idea, or can somebody draw up WMF organization map showing who drive translation efforts like newsletters? (The old one is on Commons, too old team names are obsolete.) Maybe because customs among Japanese business culture, we often try to routemap who the "driver" is for budget allocation, or imagine the tree of budgeting, so to speak: that's how ja person among NPO/NGO sector brainstorms who they present costly issues to.
Having that sort of map might ease the mist underlining the frustration how a non-native of English language is not served the full portion what WMF offers.
  • Is it the Communications team who handles budgeting translation for team newsletters? Actually, an organization diagram of this sort is the first thing I would draw before translating Meta or any page where people exchange views.
  • It is fine whether each WMF team holds an expenditure reserved for translation, or if there be a translation room delivering internationalized newsletters per request from each team, like a post office.
Goings-on: As I contacted your jawp user talkpage, I input back on jawp discussions that they need not to jump the tall wall over to Meta, go to your user talkpage. Then users were afraid such input would minimize the issue on person-to-person level, which I disagreed with input that p-to-p is not the context as far as the userpage hold "(WMF)" signature. Your reply to me on your talkpage jawp hopefully encourage, or I wish, some users would decide to reach you in ja language on your jawp user talkpage. A hatnote message in ja there inviting ppl to talk with you might lower the fence. Or maybe on this page if they waiver Hen-pecking.
I wish to mention one more thing: While in narrower context, users and WMF staffers might not be Peers, if you say paid or not, but Movement-wise, IMHO, we are peers and family, a set of opinion leaders to the wider world. Then. It is very sad, if you read English, you have the invitation to a full banquet/newsletters and contents, but if you don't, you feel like receiving an empty envelope but not the premium ticket. That makes you hungry and angry.
Great lesson for me: We tend to forget why truly we need to discuss Movement Strategy, or prevent our efforts over shared free Knowledge to shrink and wither in eight years to come! Thank you reading through a personal view, I remain, Omotecho (talk) 01:36, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Omotecho, thanks for writing back to meǃ I totally understand that the interpretation and translation support is not yet enough, and it was unfortunate that there were users having a bad experience. On a side note, I want to take the opportunity to share that as you know that there will be Japanese interpretation for the Asia/Oceania day of Wikimania this year, which is also the day where an Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines Roundtable will be held. I think the session will be beneficial for interested jawp users.
Regarding broader translation and interpretation matters, I know that the Movement Communications team has been working on it. I will also share your valuable feedback with my colleagues. For some parts that you mentioned, I don't have the best answer at the moment, and will need to get back to you; but I took note of them, and have read through them carefully.
About your suggestion on a note in ja to invite people to share their thoughts with me, I think that is a great ideaǃ Would you help me translate a few sentences please? Kindly see below:
"Dear jawp user, thank you for visiting my user page. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or feedback regarding Movement Strategy and Governance matters." I will add them to my page.
Absolutely agree with you that people who don't read English suffer disadvantages when it comes to receiving information and participation. This is also why our team setting up the Movement Strategy Forum as one more platform for collaborations and discussions across languages. I would invite you to continue sharing this platform with more ja users that may be interested.
Best wishes, VChang (WMF) (talk) 08:20, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, @VChang (WMF), it is so great that you would agree on a hatnote:
"Dear jawp user, thank you for visiting my user page. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or feedback regarding Movement Strategy and Governance matters."
May I suggest we'd better add about input language somewhere to be precise. Too translator minded input, but worth a think? At the bottom of this message, the underlined part reads as:
I will be happy when you input in Japanese or language you are comfortable
(I also added my user talk page, and you don't need to underline/bold the addition, just for readability to you here)
"日本語版ウィキペディアの利用者の皆さん、この利用者トークページへようこそ。「運動戦略とガバナンス」に関する質問や指摘がおありでしたら、どうぞ遠慮なく投稿してください。日本語で、あるいは書きやすい言語で記してくだされば幸いです。"
Kindly, -- Omotecho (talk) 02:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just an idea. I wrote input here/ 投稿してください while your original text was to contact/ ご連絡ください. Your original is better as with caring for those who respects privacy. Would you lead them to your Meta talk-userpage?
Correction:
"日本語版ウィキペディアの利用者の皆さん、この利用者トークページへようこそ。「運動戦略とガバナンス」に関する質問や指摘がおありでしたら、どうぞ遠慮なくご連絡ください。日本語で、あるいは書きやすい言語で記してくだされば幸いです。"
Again, bold face is only for readability here.
Cheers, -- Omotecho (talk) 02:48, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you Omotecho for your support on this matter; I have added it to my jawp talk page. Hope to see you at Wikimania and wishing you a great weekendǃ -- VChang (WMF) (talk) 08:20, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Vivian, do you like green color? Pardon me to apply green as the background for your welcome note in a box, and a short summary in ja for the last discussion in en: people might find talking to you easier I hope.
Wikimania: too bad I was not able to log into Wikimania, tried with iPad-iPhone-MacBook, but no luck ):
Anyway, good luck, and pls update the hatnote box with your favorite color anytime pls. (jade color my personal pick or the gemstone known to ja ppl since as early as 3,000 BC: come find your raw stone at a beach comber’s hut in Niigata prefecture someday.) -- Omotecho (talk) 04:00, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Omotecho, thanks so muchǃ I like the jade color box you created. Good thing is that Wikimania sessions are recorded and on Youtube. You can find them in this MS forum link. It would be so wonderful to visit Niigata; I have not had the chance to visit Niigata yet(and my last trip to Japan was more than 10 years agoǃ).
I want to mention that due to time sensitivity, I had to share the message from the election committee in English to make sure there is no delay. I left the translation link inside; if you would be so kind to help, would really appreciate itǃ Many thanks once again. -- VChang (WMF) (talk) 09:37, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]