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أهلا Sue Gardner ، ومرحبا بك في ويكيميديا ميتا ويكي! يعمل هذا الموقع على تنسيق ومناقشة كل مشاريع ويكيميديا. ربما سيكون مفيدا لك مطالعة صفحة السياسات هنا. إذا كنت مهتما بأمور الترجمة، راجع ميتا:بابلون. يمكنك أيضا ترك ملاحظة في ميتا:بابل (من فضلك راجع أولا التعليمات هناك قبل ترك الملاحظة). إذا أردت الاستفسار عن شئ ، لا تتردد في سؤالي في صفحة نقاشي. تمتع بالتحرير هنا!

Hola Sue Gardner! Benvingut a la Meta-Wiki de la Fundació Wikimedia! Aquest lloc està fet per a coordinar i discutir tots els projectes de la Fundació Wikimedia. Potser us serà útil llegir la nostra pàgina de polítiques (en anglès). Si us interessen les traduccions, visiteu Meta:Babylon. També podeu deixar un missatge a Meta:Babel o al Meta:Metapub (però abans de fer-ho, llegiu les instruccions situades al principi de la pàgina). No dubteu en preguntar si teniu qualsevol dubte. Si cal ho podeu fer en la meva pàgina de discussió. Bona sort!

Vítejte, uživateli Sue Gardner, a vítejte na Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Tento server je určen pro spolupráci a diskusím ke všem projektům nadace Wikimedia. Možná si budete chtít přečíst naše pravidla. Pokud chcete spolupracovat na překladech, navštivte Meta:Babylon. Také můžete přidat příspěvek na Meta:Babel či Meta:Metapub (nejdříve si přečtěte pokyny na začátku těchto stránek). V případě potřeby se neváhejte zeptat se na mé diskusní stránce. Hodně štěstí!

Hallo, Sue Gardner, und Willkommen bei Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Diese Website ist zur Koordination und Diskussion aller Wikimedia-Projekte gedacht. Vielleicht findest du es nützlich, unsere Regelseite zu lesen. Wenn du daran interessiert bist, etwas zu übersetzen, besuche Meta:Babylon. Du kannst auch eine Notiz auf Meta:Babel oder Meta:Metapub hinterlassen (bitte lies die Anleitung am Anfang der Seite, bevor du etwas schreibst). Wenn du möchtest, kannst du mir auf meiner Diskussionseite Fragen stellen. Fröhliches Bearbeiten.

ވިކިމީޑިޔާގެ މީޓާ-ވިކީ އަށް މަރުހަބާ! މިވެބްސައިޓަކީ ވިކިމީޑިޔާގެ ހުރިހާ މަޝްރޫޢުތަކާއި ބެހޭގޮތުން ވާހަކަތައް ދެކެވި އެ މަޝްރޫޢެއް ހިންގައި ހަދާ ވެބް ސައިޓެވެ. އަޅުގަނޑުމެންގެ ޤަވާއިދުތައް ފުރަތަމަ ވިދާޅުވުމަކީ މުހިންމު ކަމެއް ކަމުގައި ދެކެމެވެ. ތަރުޖަމާކުރާ ހިތްޕުޅުވެވަޑައިގަންނަވާ ނަމަ މީޓާ:ބެބިލޯން އަށް ވަޑައިގަންނަވާށެވެ. އަދި ހަމަ އެހެންމެ މިކަމާއި ބެހޭ ލިޔުމެއް މީޓާ:ބޭބެލް ގައި ލިޔުއްވަވާށެވެ. (އެހެންނަމަވެސް އެޞަފްޙާގައި އެއްވެސް އެއްޗެއް އިތުރު ކުރެއްވުމުގެ ކުރިން އެ ޞަފްހާގެ މަތީގައިވާ ޢިބާރާތް ވިދާޅުވެލައްވާށެވެ.) މިއާއި މުދު ހިތްހަމަޖެހިވަޑައިގަންނަވާ ނަމަ އިތުރު އެހީ އަށް އެދުމަށް މި ޞަފްހާ ގައި އެދުމަށް ފަސްޖެހި ވަޑައި ނުގަންނަވާށެވެ. އުނިއިތުރު ގެނައުމުގައި އުފާވެރި ވަގުތުކޮޅެއް ހޭދަ ކޮށްލައްވާށެވެ!!

Hello Sue Gardner, and welcome to the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! This website is for coordinating and discussing all Wikimedia projects. You may find it useful to read our policy page. If you are interested in doing translations, visit Meta:Babylon. You can also leave a note on Meta:Babel or Meta:Metapub (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). If you would like, feel free to ask me questions on my talk page. Happy editing!

Hola Sue Gardner! Bienvenido a la Meta-Wiki de la Fundación Wikimedia! Este sitio es para coordinar y discutir todos los proyectos de la Fundación Wikimedia. Tal vez le sea útil leer nuestra página de políticas (en inglés). Si le interesan las traducciones, visite Meta:Babylon. También puede dejar un mensaje en Meta:Babel o Meta:Metapub (pero antes de hacerlo, por favor lea las instrucciones situadas en lo alto de la página). No dude en preguntar si tiene cualquiera duda, o pregunte en mi página de discusión. Buena suerte!

Hei Sue Gardner, ja tervetuloa Wikimedian Meta-Wikiin! Tämä nettisivusto on kaikkien Wikimedia-säätiön projektien koordinointia ja keskustelua varten. Saattaa olla hyödyllistä lukea käytäntömme. Jos olet kiinnostunut käännöksistä, käy Meta:Babylon-sivulla. Voit myöskin jättää huomautuksen Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub -sivulle (ole hyvä ja lue ohjeet sivun yläosassa ennenkuin kirjoitat sinne). Jos haluat, saat vapaasti kysyä minulta kysymyksiä keskustelusivullani. Iloisia muokkaushetkiä!

Bonjour Sue Gardner, et bienvenue sur le Meta-Wiki de Wikimédia ! Ce site a pour but de coordonner et discuter de l’ensemble des projets Wikimédia. Il vous sera utile de consulter notre page sur les règles de Wikimédia. Si vous êtes intéressé par des projets de traduction, visitez Meta:Babylon. Vous pouvez aussi laisser un message sur Meta:Babel ou Meta:Metapub (mais veuillez d’abord lire les instructions en haut de cette page avant d’y poster votre message). Si vous le voulez, vous pouvez me poser vos questions sur ma page de discussion. À bientôt !

נכתב בלשון זכר למען הנוחות
היי Sue Gardner, וברוך בואך ל- ויקימדיה מטא-ויקי! אתר זה נועד בכדי לתאם פעולות ולדון בפרויקטים של וויקימדיה. יש להניח שדפי המדיניות שלנו יהיו שימושיים עבורך. אם הנך מעוניין לבצע עבודות תרגום, בקר ב-Meta:Babylon. תוכל גם להשאיר הערה ב-Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub, (אנא קרא את ההוראות בראש הדף לפני כתיבה שם). אם תרצה, הרגש חופשי לרשום לי שאלות בדף השיחה שלי. עריכה נעימה!

Helló Sue Gardner, és üdv a Wikimedia Meta-Wikijén! Ez a weboldal az összes Wikimedia projektet érintő ügyek megtárgyalására és koordinálására szolgál. Hasznosnak találhatod elolvasni az irányelveinket (angolul). Ha szeretnél fordításokat végezni, látogasd meg a Meta:Babylon-t, vagy a Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub, oldalon hagyhatsz üzenetet (mielőtt ide írsz kérlek olvasd el a lap tetején található utasításokat). Ha szeretnél, nyugodtan kérdezz tőlem a vitalapomon. Jó szerkesztést és tartalmas szórakozást! Jó szerkesztést és tartalmas szórakozást!

Ciao Sue Gardner! Benvenuto sulla Meta-Wiki della Wikimedia Foundation! Questo sito serve a coordinare e discutere di tutti i progetti della Wikimedia Foundation. Potrebbe esserti utile leggere le nostre policy (in inglese). Se sei interessato a fare traduzioni, visita Meta:Babylon. Puoi anche lasciare un messaggio su Meta:Babel o Meta:Metapub (ma per favore, leggi le istruzioni che si trovano all'inizio della pagina prima di scrivere). Se vuoi, puoi lasciarmi un messagio nella mia pagina di discussione. Buona fortuna!

Sue Gardnerさん、ウィキメディア メタ・ウィキへようこそ！このサイトは、ウィキメディアのプロジェクト間の調整や話し合いを目的としています。もしよろしければ、ポリシーページを是非ご一読下さい。もし翻訳に興味をお持ちなら、Meta:Babylonをご覧下さい。Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub にメッセージを投稿していただくことも可能です（投稿前にページ上部の説明をお読み下さい）。もしよろしければ私のノートページに質問をお寄せ下さい。

Sue Gardner님, Wikimedia Meta-Wiki에 회원가입하신 것을 환영합니다! 이 사이트는 모든 위키미디어 프로젝트들 간의 상호조정(coordinate)과 토론을 위한 공간입니다. 우리의 정책을 보면, 도움이 되실 겁니다. 만약 번역에 관심이 있으시다면, Meta:Babylon을 방문해 보세요. 또한 Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub 을 사용하실 수도 있습니다. (사용하시기 전에 바벨의 사용설명란을 먼저 읽어주세요). 만약 궁금한 것이 있으시면, talk page에 질문을 올려주세요. 즐거운 편집이 되시길 바랍니다!

Hai Sue Gardner, dan selamat datang ke Meta-Wiki Wikimedia! Laman web ini adalah untuk mengkoordinasikan dan membincangkan segala Projek-projek Wikimedia. Anda boleh mendapati bahawa membaca laman polisi kita adalah berfaedah. Jika anda berminat dalam membuat penterjemahan, sila melawat Meta:Babylon. Anda juga boleh meninggalkan pesanan di Meta:Babel atau Meta:Metapub (sila baca panduan di atas laman yang berkenaan sebelum meninggalkan pesanan). Jika anda mahu, tanyalah soalan di laman perbualan saya. Selamat menyunting!

Hallo Sue Gardner, en welkom op de Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Deze website is voor het coördineren en bespreken van alle Wikimedia-projecten. Waarschijnlijk vind je het handig om onze beleidpagina te lezen. Als je geïnteresseerd bent in het vertalen van teksten, ga da naar Meta:Babylon. Je kunt ook een bericht achterlaten op Meta:Babel of Meta:Metapub (lees wel de instructies aan het begin van de pagina voordat je een bericht achterlaat). Als je nog vragen hebt stel ze me dan op mijn overlegpagina. Veel plezier met bewerken!

Hei Sue Gardner, og velkommen til Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Denne siden er til for å diskutere og samordne alle Wikimediaprosjektene. Vil du vite mer om siden, kan vår policy-side komme til nytte. Er du interessert i å hjelpe til med oversettelser, besøk Meta:Babylon. Du kan også legge igjen en beskjed på Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub (vær vennlig og les instruksjonene øverst på siden før du skriver noe der). Hvis du vil, er du velkommen til å stille spørsmål på min diskusjonsside. God redigering!

Cześć Sue Gardner i witaj w projekcie Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Ta strona została stworzona do koordynacji i dyskusji nad wszystkimi projektami Fundacji Wikimedia. Proszę Cię o przeczytanie naszych zasad. Jeżeli chcesz się zając tłumaczeniem stron, odwiedź Meta:Babylon. Możesz również zostawić notkę na stronie Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub, (proszę jednak, abyś najpierw przeczytał instrukcje na górze tej strony). Jeżeli będziesz potrzebował pomocy zostaw komentarz na mojej stronie dyskusji. Miłego edytowania!

Olá Sue Gardner! Seja bem-vindo ao Meta! Este site/sítio é dedicado à discussão e à coordenação de todos os demais projetos da Fundação Wikimedia. Talvez lhe seja útil ler a página contendo a nossa política (em inglês) antes de começar a editar. Se tiver dúvidas, sinta-se à vontade para me fazer perguntas em minha página de discussão, ou deixe uma mensagem para toda a comunidade na Babel, Meta:Metapub, a versão do Meta da Esplanada. Boa sorte!

Ciao Sue Gardner, şi bine aţi venit la Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Acest website este pentru coordonarea şi discuţiile tuturor proiectelor Wikimedia. Este folositor să citiţi pagina despre politica noastră.. Dacă sunteţi interesaţi de traducere, vizita-ţi Meta:Babylon. De asemenea puteţi lasa o notă pe Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub, (vă rugăm citiţi instrucţiunile de la începutul paginii înainte de a posta acolo). Dacă ai întrebări, nu ezita să mă întrebi pe pagina mea de discuţii talk page. Editare cu succes!

Здравствуйте, Sue Gardner, и добро пожаловать на Мета-вики фонда Викимедиа! Этот сайт предназначен для координации и обсуждения вопросов, связанных со всеми проектами фонда. Для начала предлагаю ознакомиться с правилами этого проекта. Если Вы заинтересованы в работе над переводами страниц Мета-вики и других материалов, посетите Meta:Babylon. Вы также можете обсудить различные вопросы на странице Meta:Babel или Meta:Metapub (пожалуйста, ознакомьтесь с инструкцией сверху, прежде чем писать). Если возникнут вопросы, не бойтесь задавать их мне на моей странице обсуждения. Удачи!

Tjeta Sue Gardner, dhe mirësevin në Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Ky vënd i rrjetës është për të koordinuar dhe diskutuar çdo projekt të Wikimediës. Mund ta gjësh të dobishme faqet e politikës sonë. Në qoftë se je duke interesuar në përkthime, vizitò Meta:Babylon. Mund të lësh një shënim në Meta:Babel ose Meta:Metapub (të lutem të lexosh përdorimet në fillim të fletës para se të postosh atje). Në qoftë se do, ndihu i/e lirë të më bsh pyetje në faqen time të diskutimit. Të auguroj një redaktim të këndshëm!

Здраво Sue Gardner, и добро дошли на Викимедијин мета-вики! Овај сајт служи за координацију и дискусију око Викимедијиних пројеката. Вероватно ће Вам бити корисно да прочитате наше странице везане за политику рада. Ако сте заинтересовани за превођење, посетите Meta:Babylon. Можете такође и оставити поруку на страници Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub (молимо погледајте упутства на врху те странице пре него што пошаљете свој коментар тамо). Ако имате неко питање, можете да ми поставите на мојој страници за разговор. Срећно уређивање!

Hej Sue Gardner, och välkommen till Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! Meta är till för att diskutera och samordna alla Wikimedias projekt. Vill du veta mer om webbplatsen, kan vår policy-sida komma väl till pass. Är du intresserad av att hjälpa till med översättningar, besök Meta:Babylon. Du kan skriva diskussionsinlägg på Meta:Babel eller Meta:Metapub (läs instruktionerna överst på sidan innan du skriver något där). Om du vill, är du välkommen att ställa frågor på min diskussionssida. Lycka till med redigerandet!

வணக்கம் Sue Gardner, விக்கிமீடியா மேல்விக்கி! இற்கு நல்வரவு. இவ்விணையத்தளமானது கூட்டாகச் சேர்ந்து விடயங்களை விவாதிப்பதற்கென உருவாக்கப் பட்டது. விக்கித்திட்டங்கள். நீங்கள் எங்களின் பாலிசிகளையும் பாலிசி பக்கம் படித்தறியலாம். நீங்கள் மொழிபெயர்பில் ஆர்வமுடையவராகின், Meta:Babylon ஐப் பார்வையிடவும். நீங்கள் Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub இல் குறிப்பொன்றையும் விட்டுச் செல்லலாம். (பக்கத்தின் மேலேயிருக்கும் அறிவுறுத்தல்களை வாசித்தபின்னரே அங்கே செய்திகளை இடவும்). நீங்கள் விரும்பினால் எனது பக்கத்தில் செய்தியொன்றை விடவும் talk page. உங்கள் ஆக்கங்களை வரவேற்கின்றோம்!

Sue Gardner, 你好！歡迎光臨維基媒體元維基！這個網站是為協調和討論所有維基媒體項目而設。我們的政策頁可能對您有用。如果您有興趣協助翻譯工作, 請參觀Meta:Babylon。你可在 Meta:Babel, Meta:Metapub 留下口訊 (張貼之前請先讀該頁上指示)。若有問題, 請在我的討論頁問我 。祝
編安!

--Aphaia 01:36, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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I wanted to give you a Barnstar!

FDC special barnstar

This is to recognize your hard work on the first round of the FDC! Apart from co-creating it you were indispensable in making it a reality!

Thanks!

Jan-Bart (talk) 19:45, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

BLP - does it respect editors?

Dear Sue, at Commons I have been the victim of loads of false accusations. Now they defiled my user page there with a banner, see also history. I chose to contribute to wikipedia using my own name. Unlike most of detractors, I am not hiding behind pseudonyms. Today I was asked about this page by an acquaintance, so the page is starting to make a real-world impact on me. Is not this what BLP is about? As I see it, me using my own name is now used for harassing me in real life. Could you please have the previous version restored? Or have the page deleted? Regards, /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:19, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Misuse of Wikipedia logo

Hi Sue, I inform you that here's a facebook page who encourages vandalism on it.wikipedia and makes improper use of the Wikipedia logo. I think that the WMF should take measures against it. --Vale93b (talk) 09:42, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Vale, I'll let the legal team know, since Sue is traveling. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 02:56, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Best photo ever? Or B. P. E!

via ABC. I'm tending towards the exclamation mark. Travel safely back! –SJ talk  09:41, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Wondering about Russia

Hi Sue, I don't know who else to ask, so: it's my understanding that the Russian Wikipedia implemented Pending Changes on (all? or just many?) of their pages some time ago. How's that working out? OK, or are they getting backed up, or somewhere in between? Not a pressing question (and you may not know the answer), but the answer'd be of interest to us English Wikipedians. Herostratus (talk) 05:06, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Herostratus, ruWP has Pending Changes (PC, or Flagged Revisions or Patrolled Revisions or Gesichtete Versionen or ...- i'll just call it PC) since 2009 (kind of, cp. Flagged_Revisions#Flagged_Revisions_on_Wikimedia_projects) and i don't think ruWP is a good example to follow. Much better example is polishWP and they are comparable to ruWP in both number of articles and number of active editors (see pl:Special:Statistics vs. ru:Special:Statistics). PC on plWP works quite good, like on deWP. PC on ruWP is terrible, on arWP too:

• ru:Special:ValidationStatistics: average review delay: 217 days; average review delay for IPs: 12days 15h; median: 13days 4h (1462 user with PC right)
• pl:Special:ValidationStatistics: average review delay: 10 days 10h; average review delay for IPs: 16h 1min; median: 1h 35min (2625 user with PC right)
• de:Special:ValidationStatistics: average review delay: 6 days 22h; average review delay for IPs: 11h 7min; median: 1h 32min (13.358 user with PC right)
• ar:Special:ValidationStatistics: average review delay: 122 days; average review delay for IPs: 41h 39min?; median: 26h 48min? (536 user with PC right)
• en:Special:ValidationStatistics: PC enabled on 447 articles only.

So, why the big differences?

1) Status assignment procedure. On plWP and deWP users get PC right automatically at some point (number of unreverted edits+XYZ, I'll leave aside the difference of active or passive reviewers for now), plus users can request PC right for themselves or somebody else. On ruWP and arWP users have to ask for PC right, discuss and be eventually denied. Not surprising: There are far fewer users with PC right, and bigger delays. Reason for different procedure is a bigger (perceived?) vandalism problem on ruWP and arWP (well, egg/chicken first ... see RuWiki_History/English) Quite a power trip, denying PC status ^^.

2) Review policy. On deWP users with PC right only have to look out for vandalism. Not quality control, not "endorsing" edits, not reverting unsourced edits (except unsourced sensitive info on BLP). Users apply higher personal standards for their review anyway, but the rule is simple, low standard: just revert vandalism. Higher standards, more rules for PC -> less adoption, less users reviewing PC, higher delays. I read that ruWP applies higher standards for PC than deWP.

This is IMHO, of course. See also relevant analysis/ discussion on deWP: [1], [2] (mostly german, some english, you'll understand with googletranslate). Hope this helps. --Atlasowa (talk)

This post was copied to Talk:Flagged Revisions#Comparison of some Wikipedias + further discussion. --Atlasowa (talk) 14:54, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

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the news. Thanks for all the good work up to now. It was nice to meet u here.--Angel54 5 (talk) 00:44, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Exit Interview

Hi Sue, Mz started this page -Wikimedia_exit_interview, and left a message on Jan-Bart's page. I believe the idea is similar to Reddit's AMA's(or IAmA?). I would like to see something like this too, if you feel up to it. Your departure announcement did seem a bit out of the blue to some, and there are some questions about. You are of course within your prerogative to deny this, and it would be completely understandable given your schedule. Just in case, you feel up to it and have some free time, Please let me know, I would be happy to moderate and make sure the tenor of the questions is in-line before you even see the page. I would also see if you want to limit any cross-talk or have any other requests. Thanks. Theo10011 (talk) 16:15, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

PS. Just in case I haven't said this yet, I really am disappointed to see you leave. I know I've had enough disagreements and my share of contentious positions with you, but your conduct has never been less than exemplary and honorable. For what its worth, I apologize for any transgressions past or present on my part, and wish you the very best the world has to offer Ms. Gardner. Kind Regards. Theo10011 (talk) 16:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Theo, Thanks and sure, I'd be happy to do this. Generally speaking, I think the idea of public exit interviews for departing WMF staff members is a bad one -- most staff have non-public roles, and on balance their personal right to privacy should be valued more highly than the desire of other people to satisfy their curiosity about their leaving. So in doing it, I wouldn't be aiming to set any kind of precedent that it would ever happen again. But my position is a public one, and so I'd be totally fine with it. There's no rush, because I'll be here for quite a while yet. So yes, go ahead and collect questions, and ping me when they're ready :-) Thanks Sue Gardner (talk) 05:49, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Sue. I completely understand and agree with your concerns. I don't think we would be asking if it was anyone else, you basically built WMF from the ground-up and been there for a lot of big changes. I don't think asking for a public exit interview from any other staff member would be reasonable or justified, and I would be completely against such a thing - you should have no concern about setting a precedent on this one. You have had an open IRC office hour for as long as I can remember, and answered us directly when you can. I thought since we already had an IRC office hour about this, an interview can give others the opportunity to ask questions they didn't get a chance to. I think an asynchronous method like this might be easier for everyone than an IRC session, and give everyone time to formulate their questions and present them on a page. Glad to know you are up for it, I will start soliciting questions and work on this in the coming weeks. Thanks again Sue. Theo10011 (talk) 08:15, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Child protection

Hi Sue. I thought I'd drop you a message about a subject which I've become very aware of since I joined the English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee at the beginning of the year, that of child protection. I'll be writing this primarily from an En.WP perspective, but I'm sure these comments could be extended to every WMF project.

Child protection, something I know we all take seriously, does not mesh well with Wikipedia's way of working. We accept anonymity as standard and believe in ignoring rules. The consensus model relies on discussion and listens to all points of view. The delicate nature of these requests, which can have real world ramifications for the subjects if they are gotten wrong, just don't fit with the Wikipedia model.

As I understand it, because the child protection policy is currently a community policy, suspicions are passed to the Arbitration Committee, which fully investigates and makes a decision, which the WMF is happy to implement.

I believe that the child protection policy should be updated to be a WMF policy, investigations and decisions should be made by WMF as well as enforcement. There are not many situations where control should be taken away from the community and imposed by fiat, but this is without a doubt one. There are a number of reasons for this.

• The people who are ultimately responsible for child protection should not be volunteers. We volunteers are excellent at what we do, but at the end of the day, we can walk away and have the ability to leave a difficult problem for somebody else.
• Training should be given to those who will be dealing with these complaints, ensuring an accurate outcome of the investigation.
• The possibility of liaising with authorities exists if there is a consistent single point of contact, meaning that real world action can be taken.
• Proper procedures should be set up, defining the scope of investigation and the threshold that action could be taken.
• The protection afforded to an individual working on behalf of a company and following the company's specified guidelines is much more appropriate for the role.

When this was suggested before, we were told that the Foundation didn't have the resources to take over these investigations. I don't accept that, I believe it needs to be budgetted so that the resources are there. Looking at our Arbitration Committee logs - we've dealt with about 100 of these in the past 5 years, the majority of which are clear cut. The role would not take a full time employee.

I'm sure the Arbitration Committee would be willing to help in any transition and also assist where possible - as long as the overall responsibility lay with the Foundation. Worm^TT 12:48, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

• Sue, I'm another English Wikipedia ArbCom member. In my view, we arbitrators simply do not have enough training or protection to retain responsibility for child protection investigation; and this all needs to be passed on to the Foundation at some point soon. These responsibilities do not take a lot of time at all, but they are unspeakably important—and should not be remanded to a bunch of amateurs like us. The situation on the English Wikipedia at the moment is basically like Facebook giving a group its fifteen most active users responsibility for investigating concerns sent to Facebook that another account holder is using the site to share illegal pictures or recruit people to terrorism. It beggars belief. Surely child protection concerns are surely as important as the things currently handled by the WMF emergency e-mail address? If in your view they are, then the Foundation needs to take on this responsibility; we aren't doing (and could never do) a good enough job of it. Thank you, AGK [•] 13:07, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

• Oh, and Sue: if you would require some sort of statement by the Enwiki ArbCom that we, as a group, would like to hand over this responsibility to you, then I will try to make that happen (and would probably succeed). AGK [•] 22:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

• As a member of the Oversight team on the English Wikipedia, and as someone who has dealt with child protection cases on enwp, I have to fully endorse what is being detailed here. We need clear directive as to how to handle cases like this. Just about everyone working in this arena uses common-sense, and that's fine, but I'm concerned about the lack of followup. I've reported many issues to both ArbCom and the WMF regarding protection of children, some relating to child pornography, and I'm concerned that much of what I report is met with silence or a brief acknowledgement. There are legal ramifications to all this and, as a volunteer, that concerns me. I'd like to think that in cases where laws may have been broken that there is adequate followup with the authorities, but I've no way of knowing, and we have no visible policies as to how the WMF handles stuff like this (at least, none that I'm aware of). There have been times when I've seen egregious breaches of the law, that I have gone directly to the authorities with a complaint, but that's really not my remit as a volunteer. We really should have a formal central point of contact at the WMF for such matters - Alison ^❤ 18:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

• Hi Sue, as you know I have a well known interest in governance issues for our movement. I fully endorse the concerns above, and would encourage this change in project policies. In addition to a focus on the English Wikipedia, I believe we can accept that Wikimedia Commons is a critical entry point for media that may require urgent attention, and cooperation with that community is essential for a realistic and reliable response to problems. There have been encouraging work-flow improvements proposed on Commons to help the public report media, normally photographs, that they find worrying. Processes should distinguish between delegation of handling general complaints to established volunteers and necessary responsibility for material under the child protection policy that should be investigated by insured and trained employees or agents of the WMF. Along with many other interested volunteers of better experience and knowledge, I would be happy to lend any weight I might have to help make this work. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 18:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

• Sue, I'm a Commons Bureaucrat, in media-related terms, this is an issue that would likely affect our project more than it would others. Perhaps Alison is able to give some insight into the media issue on en.wp. Just recently we have started a discussion on Commons relating to some of these issues. I did contact Philippe and Legal asking for their input, which we have yet to see. We are being told that CP is basically a Commons problem that Commons needs to deal with. Whilst the number of CP images uploaded to Commons are < 100 a year, and dealing with them is generally done within a matter of minutes, the issue itself on how they are dealt with is something that I am not comfortable with on placing on the shoulders of volunteers. Many countries have mandatory reporting requirements under law for child pornography, which is great thing as it should be, but our team deal with such issues as they arise places our admins in a precarious legal position where computers can be seized, children taken from the family, etc just for accessing in order to take action. Like Alison, I too have in the past deleted images, had them OS, and informed Legal, but also gone directly to our authorities to report; luckily for me nothing occurred as a result. But for others who have reported such issues to the authorities have not been so lucky.[3][4] The ramifications of this issue as quickly outlined by others and myself above is too great a burden to expect volunteers to have to deal with. The Foundation has both legal protection and the money for legal protection behind it. We as volunteers do not. Russavia (talk) 18:40, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

• The WMF needs a stronger commitment to children and their safety. The community has difficulties dealing with pedophiles and pedophilia, and it'll continue having difficulties. I've also seen the WMF hesitate and shy away from responsibility by attempting to dump those responsibilities onto the community. The WMF can't afford to be afraid when faced with difficult issues and choices; it needs to courageous (be bold). The WMF needs a clear policy and the will to enforce policy. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 19:23, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

• Sue, I am very worried that people are trying to enforce their sense of morality under the guise of Child protection. That said there are country/state/federal/international laws governing content on children we have to abide by. WMF Legal had created some content on age verification on adult content (how it isn't required) and perhaps they can create something for this issue (whatever law requires). -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 15:05, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

• It is not unreasonable to expect contributors to a WMF project to have a bare minimum moral standing regarding child protection, a moral standing that states we have zero tolerance for pedophiles or pedophilia advocacy among other thing. Perhaps even above and beyond what is required by the letter of the law. If you cannot meet that minimum, Mr. White Cat, then perhaps you should rethink your membership here. Tarc (talk) 23:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

• Ms. Gardner and the Foundation knows my thoughts on this matter - this is clearly a matter where it is everyone's responsibility. Owners or users are obligated to report anything that endangers a child (be it from them merely viewing illegal content to someone try to create a pedophilic atmosphere). The law is rather clear on the neglect aspects, and we are all culpable if we do nothing. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:40, 17 May 2013 (UTC)