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Welcoming[edit]

Hi dear fellows, in my opinion is not a good idea to welcome all users, vandals and spammers especially, I think welcoming should not be an automatic process, it would be done manually only to users who demonstrate good intentions, as occurs on other wikis.--Syum90 (talk) 09:44, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

  • Support I fully agree with Syum90's request. Alan (talk) 10:07, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose Welcoming always contains many useful links. --Ochilov (talk) 13:20, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
    @Ochilov: This automated system generates amounts of unuseful pages, I've deleted several of them this morning.--Syum90 (talk) 14:30, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Support ISECHIKA or locked user case... Comment Too fast to Add welcome message[1]. I think to set a time interval is the best way for us to solve this problem. For example, welcoming bot waits for up to one day to add welcome message, and if the user was set locked or blocked until it added welcome message, welcoming bot disables an automatic process like this. --Infinite0694 (Talk) 14:05, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
    Infinite0694, this one sounds reasonable :) --Ochilov (talk) 14:55, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
    I prefer this process to be done manually, but at least this proposal is quite better than the current one.--Syum90 (talk) 15:00, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Strong support deactivating automatic welcomes - It just generates large ammounts of rubbish and it is not useful IMHO. And also generates privacy/suppression policy violations when the user created is suppressed. You have later to search for user/usertalk pages and go suppressing them manually. You can ask oversighters (such as @Barras) that I regularly encounter and forward for suppression such kind of abusive account name user talk pages; and franckly I'm tired. Most account creation nowadays are not real users, but spambots. I think it's better to manually welcome users. Best regards. —MarcoAurelio 15:35, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
    2011 discussion about enabling it here. The discussion started because new users didn't know what Meta-Wiki was about and there was a need to welcome them and inform them about the site. But now that we've Echo which also adds a welcome notification on sign-up (I think it doesn't for autocreated accounts but we could probably get that enabled here). We can link it to Meta page (or create a new shorter, user-friendly welcome page) and consider that enough for a welcome message. --Glaisher (talk) 15:51, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
    I just created MediaWiki:Notification-welcome-link to link to Special:MyLanguage/Meta:About. Maybe there's a better welcome page here or is this page fine? --Glaisher (talk) 15:14, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Strong support per MA above. I can confirm that I regularly have to suppress stuff created by that useless welcome bot. It creates simply more work and I don't even want to know how many pages are out there that are not suppressed but should be suppressed. -Barras talk 17:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Support as well. We don't need a bot to welcome users who have just created their account as a mean to vandalize, as said above by others; it makes everything just harder. --Stryn (talk) 18:57, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per everything that is already explained by the supporters. I think it is best to avoid that amount of work and time. Allan Aguilar (talk) 19:03, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
  • opinion - can't there be some threshold for welcoming. Like to autowelcome only those users who have made N edits and are still not banned/locked after M days and haven't got welcomed by a human being yet. I would believe it would do much more sense that way. If that is not possible, then I Support Support disabling autowelcome. --Base (talk) 19:05, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Support as I see the situation --Ochilov (talk) 02:28, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
    I have issued a block on the extension, given than in less than 24 hours we've got far more consensus to stop the system than we got in 2011 to enable it. It can be unblocked if the consensus changes. —MarcoAurelio 07:03, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Support in accordance with the previously mentioned reasons above. AustinHammond (talk)
  • Support I fully Support it.--Infinite0694 (Talk) 14:21, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Support --Steinsplitter (talk) 15:08, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
  • This bot should only welcome users who made at least X edits after Y days and aren't blocked/locked. In its current state I have to Support Support disabling it. There're a lot of abusive usernames that should be supressed and remain visible because autowelcome creates talk pages for them. Defender (talk) 21:25, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
  • I am not quite a friend of the current state, yet I don't believe welcoming new users is a proper task for volunteers to do. The fashion of doing this on a user talk pages makes it a mess, and the Echo solution Glaisher mentioned above should be the preferred way. --Vogone (talk) 02:55, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm agree, I think Glaisher's proposal is the best option.--Syum90 (talk) 15:21, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata data access is here[edit]

Hey folks :)

I wanted to let you know that we enabled access to the data on Wikidata for you. This means you can now access data like the number of inhabitants of a city or get a link to a picture for a famous person and much more. You can access the data in two ways - via a parser function and via Lua. How to use it:

I hope this will help you do great things here. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. Good places to start are d:Wikidata:Meta-Wiki and d:Wikidata:Project chat.

Cheers --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 19:14, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. SecretName101 (talk) 22:32, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
This is awesome news. Thanks a lot to everyone who worked to make this happen! --Glaisher (talk) 15:09, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
We have waited for this feature for a long time, thanks for making it reality! --Vogone (talk) 02:58, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I join to the thank you.--Syum90 (talk) 15:29, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
YAY! THANK YOU! --Ochilov (talk) 15:30, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
For some basic functionality, one might want to import d:Module:Wikidata to Module:Wikidata (LUA for those who don't want to write their own). --Jura1 (talk) 20:10, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Use a page created on Meta-Wiki like a global template[edit]

Hello everyone, I don't know if it is the correct forum to ask it. If not, excuse me.

Well, I have a question abot the use of "Global Templates". Can I create a page on Meta-Wiki (like User/UserName/global) to use it like a template ({{User/UserName/global}}) on other wiki projects?

I have tryed to make it but I didn't get anything sucessfully. I have tryed that: first, I create a User Page, then I tryed to include in other page of a different wiki project using the template structure {{m:User:Ivanhercaz/globalUser}}, but it didn't works. Am I doing something wrong or we can't make this kind of "global" templates?

Thanks in advance.

Regards, Ivanhercaz (talk) 11:03, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

@Ivanhercaz: It's not currently possible to use global templates, you may be interested on phab:T1238 & phab:T6547. If you wish to use one for your user page, I think it'd be more appropriate to use a global user page. Matiia (talk) 17:00, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
@Matiia: Thank you for your reply. Very interesting the global user page function, I didn't know anything about it. I am going to read more and when I have enought time I maybe change my user local pages to an only global user page.
Regards, Ivanhercaz (talk) 00:19, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikipetitions Proposal[edit]

I would love to see suggestions, feedback, and questions related to my proposed Wikimedia project, called [[2]]. I would also like for anybody who is interested in the project to edit your name into the People Interested.

This would be a great start for better ways to interact with and communicate with our respective countries lawmakers(when/where permitted), and this kind of collaboration would help clarify the issue at hand!

Please, help my project get started and please help make it shine as a star/top Wiki project!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kyjds (talk)

Meta:Fair use versus Meta:Deletion policy[edit]

I see that a while ago a discussion on this board decided that fair use was not to be allowed on Meta, but the deletion policy doesn't mention "fair use" as a deletion reason at all. Is that an omission or by design (seeing as the deletion policy allows deletion discussions to be started for any reason)?Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:33, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

That's because it's easier to win the lottery JackPot than to get some policy updated or created here at Meta sadly. —MarcoAurelio 14:42, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

ProcseeBot[edit]

Related to Meta also, but not only, see this proposal. --92.115.106.250 00:36, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Script validation[edit]

I noticed nice work done by CommonsMaintenanceBot at commons (see c:Commons:User scripts/reports and c:Commons:User scripts/users namespace/reports) and because Meta is now central place for a lot of user scripts, I would suggest to create conditions and to approve a similar task to be run here too. --92.115.106.250 00:36, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Looking for reports of users being logged in as someone else[edit]

Hi all,

we had reports of a serious authentication error that resulted in people being logged into the wrong account. We are trying to collect information about what happened, and how many users it might have happened to. If you have any knowledge of such a thing happening in the last few weeks, please tell us at one of these places:

You can find more details at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T126069. It looks like only a few users have been affected, but to be on the safe side, we are in the process of logging everyone out (which takes a while, so it might have happened to you this week, or it might happen in the next few days). Apologies for the inconvenience.

-- Tgr_(WMF) (talk) 23:50, 5 February 2016 (UTC)