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Content on non-Wikimedia wikis[edit]

Hi all. I took a look at Meta:Requests for deletion and found a request for SourceWatch and other pages listed at Category:Non-Wikimedia projects. When I saw the existence of this category and the pages in it, I was a bit confused. Our inclusion policy explicitly mentions content about non-Wikimedia projects as not acceptable. Should we delete all of the pages on non-Wikimedia wikis? Some of them I believe to be in scope, as they mention collaboration with Wikimedia or are proposed projects, but others are just mini advertisements for random non-WMF projects. Thoughts? Best, Vermont (talk) 21:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]

@Vermont: open access, UseModWiki, WeRelate, WeRelate/FAQ, WikiPoets, Digibux, all seem to be within scope. I kinda see why Gruppo Logos was made and would defer to Sj about its fate. Other than that, I would axe the rest of the pages in that category. –MJLTalk 06:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Definitely keep Gruppo Logos. –SJ talk  02:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[]
I will rather we consolidate the discussion on WM:RFD. I too agree that some are spammy in nature. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 08:03, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[]
RFD discussion (regarding SourceWatch) was closed as keep. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)
14:55, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Can I add a different language combination to the list of translations I would like to do?[edit]

Hello. I am currently signed up to receive requests for translations, which to date have exclusively been for English-into-Spanish translations. Would that be just by coincidence, or have I somehow requested only that particular language combination? Is there a way for me to specify that I would like to do both English>Spanish and Spanish>English translations? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shazertom (talk) 21. Aug. 2021, 15:04:42

It's something really unnecessary, as in this anglocentric world of the WMF everything is first and above all in English, and everything derives from English, often enough some illegible business and marketing gibberish, and from that source the different languages are derived. They can't fathom the idea that anything originates in another language but English. So on the left side of any page there's always English, and even if you could translate fluently from, say Portuguese to Spanish, it would not help you, if that could be possible in theory, as there is no working interface for any other language combinations but English to anything else. Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden) 16:27, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[]
@Sänger: I agree that it would be nice to have a process where English isnt needed as an intermediary language. When PTwiki made the notice based on the Brazilian Museum burning down (a campaign to get photographs and other documents salvaging it) and I made an English version of it, I found my English version was used to make other translations, such as to French. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:52, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[]
@Shazertom, Sänger, and WhisperToMe: I think that you will find that it is happening this way as the default base page is set to "Page content language = English". If the base is set to Spanish prior to the translation process, then any translations will be into other language, and you will get Spanish -> English notifications. If the page is done in English, then there will be notifications from English. To see the metadata follow the "page information" link on any page.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Pings only work with proper signing, I didn't receive a ping.
Who can set where and when this parameter? Is it possible to have a multilingual motherpage, with monolingual daughters, including one /en, where you could chose the language you would like to use as your source language as a translator? That would have bee ideal for the candidates questions here in the current elections. As much as I understand that all candidates should as well know English, and thus should be able to answer the questions in English, they should in any case answer the questions in their normal language, and the English speakers should answer in at least one other language. But the page with main answers should be multilingual, without translations to any other language but the original. Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden) 08:38, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[]
The pagelang permission is given to administrators and translation administrators. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)
11:48, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Sänger: Base pages need to be set to a language, and here that default is English. The way to have multilingual is not set the page to be <translate> tags. Any translated monolingual daughter page again could be set per language, but NOT set to be translated. It would be a complex beast and I would like to see a more specific plan. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:00, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Redirect question[edit]

I noticed that RenameUser is redirecting to Help:Renaming users while Renameuser is a standalone MediaWiki soft redirect. I think the minor difference in capitalisation should not have a difference in meaning, so I'd like to harmonise these somehow, though I'm not sure how exactly to do that. Any thoughts? ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)
15:41, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Anyone? ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)
17:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Given that Renameuser was indeed fully imported I'd not mind redirecting it to Help:Renaming users too. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 17:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Flood flag[edit]

Has there been a change in this flag recently? Flood flag hides all manual edits except edits that use rollback function. What's going on? Thanks! Nguyentrongphu (talk) 14:37, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@Nguyentrongphu, if this is an actual issue, I recommend asking at Phabricator. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)
22:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[]

The 2022 Community Wishlist Survey will happen in January[edit]

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:22, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Server switch[edit]

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:45, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee ending 14 September[edit]

Movement Strategy announces the Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee. The Call opens August 2, 2021 and closes September 1 14, 2021.

The Committee is expected to represent diversity in the Movement. Diversity includes gender, language, geography, and experience. This comprises participation in projects, affiliates, and the Wikimedia Foundation.

English fluency is not required to become a member. If needed, translation and interpretation support is provided. Members will receive an allowance to offset participation costs. It is US$100 every two months.

We are looking for people who have some of the following skills:

  • Know how to write collaboratively. (demonstrated experience is a plus)
  • Are ready to find compromises.
  • Focus on inclusion and diversity.
  • Have knowledge of community consultations.
  • Have intercultural communication experience.
  • Have governance or organization experience in non-profits or communities.
  • Have experience negotiating with different parties.

The Committee is expected to start with 15 people. If there are 20 or more candidates, a mixed election and selection process will happen. If there are 19 or fewer candidates, then the process of selection without election takes place.

Will you help move Wikimedia forward in this important role? Submit your candidacy here. Please contact strategy2030(_AT_) with questions.

Xeno (WMF) (talk) 00:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Talk to the Community Tech[edit]

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As we have recently announced, we, the team working on the Community Wishlist Survey, would like to invite you to an online meeting with us. It will take place on September 15th, 23:00 UTC on Zoom, and will last an hour. Click here to join.



The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes without attribution will be taken and published on Meta-Wiki. The presentation (first three points in the agenda) will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, and Spanish. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the Community Wishlist Survey talk page or send to

Natalia Rodriguez (the Community Tech manager) will be hosting this meeting.

Invitation link

See you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 03:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Meta:Sandbox and two bots fighting[edit]

Can I ask what the purpose is of having both MABot and Cyberbot I clean out the Meta:Sandbox?

Would not a single bot suffice? And why are they restoring to (very slightly) different pages, effectively reverting each other?

Inquiring minds want to know... :) CapnZapp (talk) 13:31, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[]

MABot was a temporary replacement until Cyberbot I fixed some issues which I've asked its operator twice to fix (see w:Special:Permalink/993466923#Cyberbot_I_on_Meta-Wiki). The bot was not suposed to edit on Meta either (see w:Special:Diff/1007364800/prev). I've just blocked it as it looks it now ignores that. I'm happy to unblock and remove my bot once Cyberbot I operator makes their bot stop adding wrong translate code to that page. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 13:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I think I'll go ahead and submit a pull request to the bot's code myself. Once it's merged and deployed, I'll unblock the bot. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 13:54, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[] (talk) 14:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Translation of steward elections and confirmations[edit]

Do we have plans to make the 2022 steward elections and confirmations translatable using the extension? - Xbspiro (talk) 00:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]