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Heads-up about MassMessaging for annual survey[edit]

This is a gentle note to mention that I'm posting some messages in a couple of wikis. I apologize if these messages are viewed are disruptive. The intent here is to request users attention about an e-mail they received earlier this month and which may have been marked automatically as spam. The annual survey is an important way for the communities to share their views and concerns with the Foundation. Based on community feedback from the previous years, we’re considering moving away from the three repeated pings historically used. The e-mails we've sent request the consent (opt-in) of contributors so that, moving forward, we can e-mail them instead of sending on-wiki messages. So the plan is to eliminate the annual disruption and rely only on opt-in email recipients. You may read more about the discussion surrounding this survey here.

Should you have any questions or suggestions, please leave me a note.

Many thanks for your understanding. Samuel (WMF) (talk) 17:15, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I think the message you sent me was deleted long ago: I can't find it, anyway. I'm happy to respond to anything you put on my talk page. Andrew Dalby (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
I appreciate Wikipedia and Wikisource. I do think that Wikipedia is no longer an "anyone can edit" place. I was quite annoyed to discover that an article which I compiled about the early 20th century Scottish Bible college principal and currently in-print author David McIntyre (see had been deleted by the author of an article about a Canadian hockey player of the same name who may be famous now but will be forgotten pretty soon. OK Rev McIntyre is not particularly famous now, but he influenced a lot of people and was the ministerial colleague and successor of Andrew Bonar who *is* famous - and he is mentioned at I don't have time to work out how to challenge such practices, and am also disillusioned by the persistent description of Evolution (a theory) as fact - Evolution being a theory involving the gain of information by Natural Selection, as opposed to Natural Selection itself which can be demonstrated but can only be demonstrated to involve at most the loss of information, sometimes only the temporary rearrangement of information. There are powerful people on Wikipedia whose opinions count, regardless of what other people may say. So I hardly ever edit Wikipedia these days, though I've done quite a bit on Wikisource in more recent times. --PeterR2 (talk) 19:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
If the emails go to spam, it may be because of poor wording or because is perceived as a spammer. Switching to a LimeSurvey instance, which could be configured to send emails from Wikimedia Foundation domains, could help here. Nemo 06:56, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • @Samuel (WMF): Personally I much prefer stuff onwiki, and wish to see fewer things in my mailbox (grown to hate email) I do hope that an onwiki notification is able to be maintained. I am also a little gobsmacked that people complain about wiki notifications when they are here to edit wikis—that said, people are weird.  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:15, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • I am a bit astonished by this… "We sent you an e-mail", really? Why not something even less specific like "Notification for you" or "Please respond"? And if you have to link to a diff in the body of the message to avoid spam complaints… perhaps something is wrong here and the message should not be sent at all? I was honestly a bit puzzled to see this originated from the WMF, it seems to be at odds with the communication standards I generally witness from them. And it is just a really bad strategy as far as I can see - if you annoy people about this, at least give them a direct link to the survey in your on-wiki message. If they first have to dig up an email in their spam folder, it is a bad start (see the first reply above). − Pintoch (talk) 06:23, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
    • I suppose the link gets sent by email from itself in order to use response tracking (so that each link can only be used once, hopefully by the intended recipient), which is harder if you send a link publicly. WMF's usage of such tracking features is often not clearly specified anywhere, although WMF spends a lot of bytes creating boilerplate pages with a "privacy policy" for each (?) survey. Nemo 06:56, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • The extremely generic wording of this message is more suitable for phishing than for a legit message about Wikimedia activities. At a minimum, next time please try to follow MassMessage guidelines (such as the usage of a proper signature), otherwise your MassMessage sender rights may be revoked. Thank you, Nemo 06:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
    I don't think we've ever revoked anyone's MassMessage rights over using four tildes, even though it results in the bot signing rather than a human. Everyone knows that happens on occasion and is just a harmless mistake. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
    I don't think it is worth revoking rights at all if such decisions are simply ignored at the next round… Who cares about what the community thinks, after all? − Pintoch (talk) 12:53, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
    Well, WMF T&S can add any flags they need/want, whatever the community thinks of it. (Well, actually doing it - that is going to be a bit of controversy but that's a different story) — regards, Revi 16:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
@Samuel (WMF): maybe forgot that he had left a "heads-up" here, so I've asked him to reply. I could have send an email I suppose :) Andrew Dalby (talk) 16:07, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Wiki of functions naming contest[edit]

20:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric[edit]

Hello. Apologies if you are not reading this message in your native language. Please help translate to your language.

Today the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees starts two calls for feedback. One is about changes to the Bylaws mainly to increase the Board size from 10 to 16 members. The other one is about a trustee candidate rubric to introduce new, more effective ways to evaluate new Board candidates. The Board welcomes your comments through 26 October. For more details, check the full announcement.

Thank you! Qgil-WMF (talk) 17:09, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Watchlist expiration[edit]

Hi, just a query, anyway to "opt-out" of this. Not that useful for me. Do we have some buttons in beta or etc to opt-out? Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 18:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

See Tech#"Watch_This_Page",_"Permanent". Stryn (talk) 19:02, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Stryn, I am thinking is there a way for there to be a non css / js opt out manner, like a watchlist button that says opt out of watchlist expiration (like the rollback prompt thing, there's a mediawiki optout manner - or rather opt in depeding on wikis). Is it more suitable for discussion on Tech or can a local consensus here for a mediawiki based solution be acceptable if filled as a ticket on phab and how likely developers will accept it. I mean at least on metawiki I don't watchlist pages temporarily, for content wiki yes. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 15:59, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
@Camouflaged Mirage: put in a phab: request, if you want it, hundreds or thousands of others probably do too, either on some or all wikis. It should be pretty easy for them to build it into the preferences, and I was surprised that it is not there as part of the rollout. <shrug> what do I know?  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:41, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks billinghurst. Filed. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:39, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
@Camouflaged Mirage: to give direct feedback to the team, see also mw:Talk:Community_Tech/Watchlist_Expiry#Requesting_feedback_on_testable_version. Qgil-WMF (talk) 14:00, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
@Qgil-WMF: Thanks. I will leave a link to this discussion there. :) Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 15:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
It is always possible to create a gadget. Ruslik (talk) 16:05, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
@Stryn, Camouflaged Mirage, Billinghurst, and Ruslik0: Hello! Thanks for sharing this question. The watchlist expiry feature was developed as a Community Tech project, after receiving some of the highest votes in the 2019 Community Wishlist Survey. As for the pop-up, it is actually nearly the same as the old pop-up when you watch a page via star. It displays for the same amount of time before being automatically dismissed (about 5 seconds) and it can be manually dismissed the same way (i.e., click on the pop-up). Furthermore, the default selection (to watch permanently) was the same behavior before the feature was enabled. The only difference is that you now have an option to change the watch status from permanent to a temporary selection. Overall, if you watched items via star in the past, and if you want no changes to that experience, your user flow is the same. However, if you would like a workaround and return to the older success message, you can modify the CSS. For example, you can find a workaround provided in T249259#6562737. Thanks! --IFried (WMF) (talk) 16:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Can I ask for the code to use should we decide to put it as a gadget here only on meta. @IFried (WMF):. Thanks. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:59, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
@Camouflaged Mirage: Sure! You can find the details of the code here. Thanks! --IFried (WMF) (talk) 17:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
@IFried (WMF): Thanks. I meant can I have some help to write the mediawiki code for the gadget for meta. I will continue on your talkpage. Thanks so much for the response. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 17:21, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
For the people who want to save one click:
#mw-editpage-watchlist-expiry {
    display: none;
— regards, Revi 20:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Important: maintenance operation on October 27[edit]

-- Trizek (WMF) (talk) 17:09, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Revoke A's global renamer permission - proposal[edit]

Hello, I've created Requests for comment/Revoke A's global renamer permission, as a proposal to revoke A's global renamer status, due to sharing his account access. I'd like to invite you to join the discussion in the RfC. Best, --Martin Urbanec (talk) 18:34, 22 October 2020 (UTC)