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New project - WikiBarCodes[edit]

Hi there. We have a new idea for Wiki sister project. Please, take a look at that (, give your opinion, and so on. I appreciate any help. Thank you in advance. The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlexandrKalaur (talk • contribs) 13:10, 14 May 2017‎ (UTC) (UTC)

Some user scripts and gadgets will break on Meta during July[edit]

The MediaWiki devs have been slowly improving the accessibility of the user interface. The next step in this transition will change the appearance of some buttons and may break some outdated (non-updated or unmaintained) user scripts and gadgets.

Most editors will only notice that some buttons are slightly larger and have different colors:

You can see and use the old and new versions now. These links will take you to Meta's sandbox page, but the same approach works at all WMF wikis.

However, this change also affects some user scripts and gadgets. Unfortunately, some of them may not work well in the new system and will need to be updated. If you maintain any user scripts or gadgets that are used for editing, please see mw:Contributors/Projects/Accessible editing buttons for information on how to test and fix your scripts. Outdated scripts can be tested and fixed now.

This change has already been deployed to the Persian and Polish Wikipedias. This change will probably reach Meta on Wednesday, 5 July 2017, along with several other larger Wikipedias. Later in July, it will reach other Wikipedias (including the English and German Wikipedias), and then other sites (e.g., the Wikisources and Commons) after that.

Please leave a message at mw:Talk:Contributors/Projects/Accessible editing buttons if you have any questions. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:28, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Two days until this happens. Please mention/ping/notify me if you have questions or need help. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:51, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Whatamidoing (WMF): Thanks for the notification. Unfortunately it seems all our mantainers are either gone or in vacation. Scripts on Meta ain't regularly mantained so I'm not sure how many of them will crash with the update. Is there a way to test how many of them would? Regards, —MarcoAurelio 21:49, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi Marco,
There's no way to test all the (hundreds of? thousands of?) scripts on Meta en masse. However, if you go to and try to edit (using whatever scripts/gadgets you have installed), then you can find out whether any of the scripts you personally use are working. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:45, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done This just happened. If stuff's broken, please let everyone know. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:16, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Using Phabricator to report bugs and plan updates on Meta-Wiki gadgets[edit]

I propose that we do what Wikidata did and use Phabricator to report bugs and plan improvements in our Gadgets. Few of us know how to code, debug, etc. a Gadget. Maybe having a central place stuff like that can be reported and worked upon would be a good idea? Regards, —MarcoAurelio 22:18, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

  • If some sysop here wants to fix Meta-Wiki gadgets and feels like they'd do better with an issue tracker, sure. --Nemo 08:09, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Same as Nemo. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:36, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Given that currently there's no central place where to track this kind of technical requests, I'm in favor of Phabricator. I am not a JS/CSS expert, but for very simple things I might be able to give a hand. —MarcoAurelio 20:35, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Proposal to remove Programs and Participation namespaces[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Namespaces removed. —MarcoAurelio 20:34, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Three years ago, a proposal to remove the Participation namespace was made, with no action taken. Three years later I am re-opening the proposal and adding the "Programs" namespace to it (which had been defunct for years and only recently did I move the last remaining pages). My goal in removing these namespaces is to reduce UI clutter and discourage the use of long-deprecated namespaces. Existing redirects should be preserved. See the Phabricator task. Harej (WMF) (talk) 17:13, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Please remove. Better to remove all the namespaces that we don't need. Stryn (talk) 17:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • +1, obviously good to remove. Thanks for following up. --Nemo 18:52, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • +1, if unused, then remove. Thanks. —MarcoAurelio 10:01, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Sounds good to me. Thanks for cleaning up! --MZMcBride (talk) 03:30, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
  • +1, I'm also agree.--Syum90 (talk) 07:59, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

My comment notwithstanding, there's consensus to have those namespaces removed and I'll note that on Phabricator so we can continue with this. —MarcoAurelio 22:16, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

This is happening now. —MarcoAurelio 13:51, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately this could not be done in this window since we ran out of time. I'll try to schedule this for another deployment window. —MarcoAurelio 14:08, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Now really happening if time allows and Zuul does not troll us. —MarcoAurelio 18:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. —MarcoAurelio 20:34, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.


Why did this edit notify me? The edit-summary tells it was a revert of me, but my change to the page was not affected at all by this edit. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 11:34, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Not at all? But the ip reverted your edit (where I can't understand your edit summary). Stryn (talk) 16:03, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Strange! This is what I intended to do! -- Innocent bystander (talk) 09:10, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Simple English Wikibooks (3)[edit]

The project's own domain should be closed and redirected to the Incubator. 19:08, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@ This is a request for Phabricator. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:35, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Not quite. Closing the domain requires either deletion or a change in policy (Closing projects policy). --Nemo 20:00, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
That's already closed for years, isn't that? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:37, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
While the project has been closed for years, the domain is still accessible, so in that sense the domain is still "open" even though the project isn't.--FeralOink (talk) 00:13, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Since Simple English Wikibooks is not written in a language, I don't know if it can be redirected to the Incubator. I make this observation based on the comments in the closure of Simple English Wikibooks proposal. Usually, when a project is closed, it is moved to the incubator until there's enough interest to give it its own domain again. Due to the languages rule, Simple English Wikibooks can't be restarted, so would it be appropriate to even move it to the Incubator? I don't have any objection to closing the domain for a closed project.--FeralOink (talk) 00:30, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
The appropriate way to handle this is to enter a new proposal at PCP. Per CPP, this would be a type 2 proposal, and the request would be to delete Simple English Wikibooks, with any worthwhile content exported to (?).
I will say that by current policy the contents would not be imported to Incubator. They would likely be placed into a new category, or namespace, or other subdivision of English Wikibooks. What I don't know is if (a) that was ever done, (b) whether the Wikijunior content of English Wikibooks covers most of that ground, or (c) if there is worthwhile content to salvage. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:33, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Bot archiving on RFD[edit]

Discussion is at Meta_talk:Requests_for_deletion#Bot_archiving.--Syum90 (talk) 16:37, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Some updates about Recent Changes pages[edit]


As you may already know, the Collaboration team has created a Beta feature. This feature is on your wiki since few months: "New filters for edit review". You can activate it in your Beta preferences.

What is this feature again?

This feature improves Special:RecentChanges and Special:RecentChangesLinked. It adds new features that ease vandalism tracking and support of newcomers:

  • Filtering - filter recent changes with easy-to-use and powerful filters combinations.
  • Highlighting - add a colored background to the different changes you are monitoring. It helps quick identification of changes that matter to you.

You can know more about this project by visiting the quick tour help page.

What's new?

Since the release, we have fixed small bugs and improved the interface. We have also released a way to bookmark your favorite configurations of filters.

We plan to add more new features! The full list is on this Phabricator page (in English) but here are the most important ones:

  • Filters for Namespaces and tagged edits and, later, filters for Categories and Usernames; they will help you to patrol specific changes more accurately
  • Redesign navigation by using an improved time selector and better integrated navigation options
  • Add live updates
  • Have a more clear interface by putting community-defined 'related links' into a collapsible panel

This last change is about links displayed on top of the RecentChanges (see how they look like on your wiki). We do that change because we have discovered that those links are not that much used. Also, they sometimes take a lot of space on small screens. To help people to focus on recent changes patrolling, we will hide those links, with an option to show them. We have created some examples to show you how it will look like. If you like to see those links all the time, you will have to click on the link to show them and they will remain open. We welcome your feedback about this change.

Most of this information was already introduced in the Collaboration monthly newsletter. Please subscribe to get regular updates!

You can ping me if you have questions.

All the best, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:20, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Stewards/confirm/2011/Stewards' discussion[edit]

Please fully protect that page. 11:09, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Instead of protecting I'm going to revert your changes if you don't comment here why did you do that change. Stryn (talk) 13:27, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Done. Stryn (talk) 16:24, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Some user(talk) pages are having double colons in their soft redirect links and hence they are broken[edit]

e.g. @Jimmy Xu: has [[::w:zh:User:Jimmy Xu|:w:zh:User:Jimmy Xu]] but in source codes there's only one leading colon ({{Softredirect|:w:zh:User:Jimmy Xu}}), I don't know if someone broke {{Interwiki redirect}} or not. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:12, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

No need to add the leading double colon before w, as it comes automatically from the template. Stryn (talk) 05:03, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
The problem is those users don't actually add double colons, but it's for some reasons rendering as :: in output. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:03, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Inactive bureaucrats in Persian Wikiquote[edit]

Moved to Wikimedia Forum.--Syum90 (talk) 10:38, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

TemplateStyles extension[edit]

There is a new TemplateStyles extension that lets you define per-template stylesheets, as opposed to inline styles in HTML tags or overloading MediaWiki:Common.css with template-specific code. Currently they are looking for some wikis to serve as early test cases. I think this extension would help significantly with making portals on Meta mobile-responsive and would help with cleaning code out of Common.css. If you would like Meta to be one of the early users of the extension, please comment here or on the Phabricator task. Harej (WMF) (talk) 18:44, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I see that they already have three wikis where this new extension is going to be tested. Looks promising but I'd prefer that they do the initial testing on other wikis and if the results are satisfactory then I won't oppose having it installed here as well. Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 23:28, 23 July 2017 (UTC)