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- EN: Dear colleagues, please comment on CentralNotice banner proposal for Wiki-Tolmach 2019 (part of the Wiki Science Contest) uploads illustrations & article contest. (1 September - 30 Novembre, all IPs from Russia, Wp//Commons, 1 banner impression per one weeks). Thank you.
- This proposal overlaps with Wiki Loves Monuments (Sept. 1-30), which is a bigger event having a much higher impact on all Wikimedia projects, not only Russian Wikipedia. Article-writing contests (edit-a-thons) in ru.wp are highly specialized and typically attract only a handful of participants. The highest level of participation was 73 in the last 2 years, and it's more like 30-40 on average. In contrast, WLM Russia has the stable record of about 900 participants per year, about 80% being new users, and gives a much better outreach. Last year it was advised by the Central Notice administrator that only one banner campaign should be run at a time. In this case, it seems logical to choose Wiki Loves Monuments for September, because the edit-a-thon will continue in October, and advertising edit-a-thons via the Central Notice has never had any serious effect on the level of participation, especially among new users. --Alexander (talk) 20:31, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support This Wiki Tolmach competition is very important because it covers the most popular wikipedia articles about science. This is a competition not only of articles, but also of scientific illustrations. This is part of the famouse Wiki Science Contest (Ex: c:Commons:European Science Photo Competition 2015, etc.). Two banners (Wiki Loves Monuments and Wiki Science: Wiki Tolmach) will not interfere with each other. On the contrary, complement each other. Wiki Tolmach is very large competition with good prizes for Wikipedians is software (Ex: Adobe, etc.) and best software training courses. — Niklitov (talk) 14:14, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support Both Wiki-Tolmach & Wiki Loves Monuments are important & it's OK to have more than one banner campaign running at once. + all Wikipedias in the languages of Russia will benefit from Russian Wikipedia being seen like a more credible resource within the country.--Frhdkazan (talk) 17:40, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support An unique competition that can provide valuable experience. --Dmitry Rozhkov (talk) 15:15, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support Wiki-Tolmach project is going to help to improve clearness of the part of Wikipedia that is most used by the readers: articles preambles (both text and leading infographics), in most popular scientific articles. And it is not just about improving some number of articles, but also about elaboration of approaches that may be scaled and used in other articles and language editions of Wikipedia. So, if we talk about importance, it may be even much more important for the future of Wikipedia. I know both contests well, being involved in both, and I'm convinced they both are important. However, we don't have to compare the levels of importance, as Wiki-Tolmach and WLM suit quite well to coexist succesfully, as they target quite different groups of contributors that almost never intersect: WLM targets photographers, while Wiki-Tolmach targets writers/editors/reviewers and illustrators. Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 19:30, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
- Let me just point out that this and the three other support votes are from the Wikimedia RU members, and Wikimedia RU is the beneficiary of the contest in question, as they will receive sponsor money from it. There has been no support from uninvolved community members, and in fact the community raised an important critique that, sadly, has not been addressed by the organizers. --Alexander (talk) 07:29, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose after a more careful look at the landing page. In my opinion, the contest is not well prepared and organized in a non-professional manner. First, the organizers offer people to edit a subset of 175 pages chosen by unnamed experts. Even a brief check shows that at least the part of this subset related to maths and natural sciences was prepared without consulting any real experts or Wikipedia editors. A topic in chemistry with a reasonably good Wikipedia article is on the list, while a similar chemistry topic with a very short article is not. A topic in physics is chosen, while another topic required for explaining the former, is not. Basically, efforts of editors will be channeled into editing 175 randomly chosen articles, which is neither the point of the contest, nor an efficient usage of the Central Notice.
- Second, the jury comprises three Wikimedia RU members having no expertise in maths, natural or Earth sciences that, on the other hand, encompass at least half of the content that will be (presumably) generated during this contest. It basically means that the organizers have not made an effort of composing a diverse and professional jury. --Alexander (talk) 07:29, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Competition Pertner — Russian Academy of Sciences. The scientific nature of the article is evaluated by experts in each specialty. The popular science style is fascinated by scientific journalists. The jury sums up. The list of the most popular articles came from a Vsenauka research project that lasted several months. Also, the participant can take any scientific article. All this is written in the regulations on the competition and on the page of the Wiki Tolmach competition. — Niklitov (talk) 07:31, 2 September 2019 (UTC)