Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Editing/Avoid links to disambiguation pages

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  • Problem: On nl-wiki, a link to a disambiguation page is in general seen as an unwanted link, that should be resolved to one of the option on that disamb-page.
  • Who would benefit: The reader (gets better links) and the maintainer of these wrong links.
  • Proposed solution: Give a warning before saving the page, that disamb-links are available. If a user persists and saves anyways, we at least tried.
  • More comments:
  • Phabricator tickets: T97063, T198936
  • Proposer: Edoderoo (talk) 12:29, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • An example of the kind of page/link this should discourage would help voters to better understand this proposal. AEzell (WMF) (talk) 22:34, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
  • There are rare cases where links to disambiguation pages are actually correct. We should probably only warn them when the new content being added contains a disambiguation link (rather than when any of the saved content contains a disambiguation link). Kaldari (talk) 04:28, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Yes, sure. Hatnotes often link to disambig pages though, so those would need to be excluded (can presumably be done fairly easily).
  • There was a similar proposal on the English Wikipedia in 2016 (see en:Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 133#Confirm on save when adding links to disambiguation pages), which didn't pass. There was some useful discussion there. Uanfala (talk) 18:45, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Hmm, useful? Frustrating. When I press save, I want to save. Basta. When you close your eyes, you never see any problem ;-) But it still needs to be solved. On the Dutch wikipedia only, we get about 100 new disambiguation links added every day, and it's a sjid-load of work to get them link to the right page(s). And often it's the same user over and over again making that mistake. Maybe one change to my idea: implement this initially for users that are logged in with their account/password, and skip this question for ip-users. Users with an account are assumed to be more wiki-wise then ip-people. Edoderoo (talk) 07:58, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Every mandatory requirement/warning/error message becomes one more step that prevents people from making a change. That's probably bad in a lot or even most cases. This one won't be getting my support. --Izno (talk) 01:37, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
  • What if we had a function to have any link that goes to a page with a disambig tag of any sort be colored bright green, or something like that. For links that are intended to go to disambig pages, maybe a special piped command or something to not make them stand out as needing correction. KConWiki (talk) 03:06, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
    • I already have this in my css. We only should make this default to all users that login with an account. Edoderoo (talk) 06:33, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
      • After I enabled orange disambig links, I got much better at not including them in articles. Support making orange disambig links the default. HLHJ (talk) 07:13, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Voting[edit]

  • Support Support Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:47, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Libcub (talk) 10:37, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 13:14, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Yes - most good-faith editors would welcome an alert telling them how to improve their page by linking to the article they want instead of to a dab page! I use the "colour them orange" gadget and find it really helpful. PamD (talk) 18:31, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support per PamD. Edoderoo (talk) 20:05, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support SupportThanks for the fish! talkcontribs 20:09, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support ALWAYS 3rd-color in Preview, unless special link-prefix says ignore. Wikicat (talk) 22:44, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Tim Landscheidt (talk) 02:47, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose per Izno. However, I agree that this is a problem, so if the warning was opt-in, I would support it. Another good idea mentioned above is to add a preference to give dab page links a different colour. — Bilorv (talk) 03:28, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose I agree with Bilorv that this is something that could be added to preferences as an opt-in (for example, I have my preferences set to alert me that I am trying to save without providing an edit summary) but can deter new editors. AHeneen (talk) 06:28, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Ainali (talk) 11:40, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support — Draceane talkcontrib. 18:04, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support -- Whats new?(talk) 22:28, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Waddie96 (talk) 07:54, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Ahecht (TALK
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  • Support Support«« Man77 »» [de] 13:02, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Lord van Tasm (talk) 13:51, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Vulphere 15:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Novak Watchmen (talk) 01:12, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Très utile. Edoli (talk) 10:32, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support I disagree with "save means save" philosophy. All sane software prompts the user who tries to perform a risky operation. No such user (talk) 19:08, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Pf1127 (talk) 07:05, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Hmxhmx 10:54, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Alexei Kopylov (talk) 20:08, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Helder 12:56, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support — AfroThundr (u · t · c) 02:06, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support But, as Kaldari says, only when the link has just been added. Unlike Izno, I do not see this putting me off editing for a moment. PJTraill (talk) 23:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support YFdyh000 (talk) 17:14, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support APh (talk) 11:40, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Wiklol (talk) 21:07, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Schniggendiller (talk) 11:37, 30 November 2018 (UTC)