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Uninstall Flow on all the wikis where it's unused[edit]

Flow developers have recently stated that installing Flow on a wiki can produce irreversible damage (at least with the current code). Therefore, it's currently proposed that Flow be uninstalled from about 800 wikis where it's been installed and never used: phabricator:T188812. It's a simple configuration change that reduces maintenance costs and leaves everyone equally entitled to their opinions as before. --Nemo 12:52, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

phab:T188812#4062110Yes check.svg Done. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:29, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Update about WMF’s Anti-Harassment Tools team work in 2018: Blocking tools[edit]

Hello all, thank you for the input over the past several months about the blocking tools. From all the participation in the discussion on Meta, our discussion with our legal department, and our preliminary technical analysis, the AHT team has decided to a) investigate two projects now, b) next build two small changes, and c) later in the year follow with a third project. The details are below.

First, the team will investigate and decide between:

  • Project 1 - Block by combination of hashed identifiable information (e.g. user agent, screen resolution, etc.) in addition to IP range. We are still defining what “hashed identifiable information” means in our technical investigation, which can be tracked at phab:T188160. We will also need to decide how this type of block is set on Special:Block (likely an optional checkbox) and how this type of block is reflected in block logs.
  • Project 4 - Drop a 'blocked' cookie on anonymous blocks. The investigation can be tracked at phab:T188161.
  • If these projects are deemed technically too risky, we will pursue Project 2 - Block by user agent in addition to IP. User agents data is already available to Check Users.

Next, we will do two feature improvements, adding an optional datetime selector to Special:Block (phab:T132220) and improving the display of block notices on mobile devices (phab:T165535).

In a few months (likely around May 2018) we will pursue some form of Project 5 - Block a user from uploading files and/or creating new pages and/or editing all pages in a namespace and/or editing all pages within a category.

Additional ideas can be added to on wiki discussion pages or user blocking column on Phabricator for future discussions and decisions. For the Anti-Harassment Tools team, SPoore (WMF) (talk) , Community Advocate, Community health initiative (talk)`

Global Infobox[edit]

How to create a global Infobox which can be used in any of the wikis? Copy paste code is tedious. Capankajsmilyo (talk) 15:36, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

You can't, see phab:T66475 for development of this idea. — xaosflux Talk 01:48, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
That is what Wikidata is for. Unfortunately, properties needs community consensus (takes 1-12 months), the data types are garbage, validation is an afterthought. The interface is written in JQuery so its painfully slow and barely works—without URL converters, summaries, or warnings of validation. The philosophy is to ungroup edits so the lazy automatic edit summaries work while blogging down everything else about MediaWiki, including rc patrolling. Vandalism is basically an ignored problem leading people to work around it. The only people who work on it are focused on biographies leading to deficiencies everywhere else. At this point I'm in favor of firing everyone and scrapping the codebase. —Dispenser (talk) 23:31, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
So, everything is that bad with Wikidata? Ruslik (talk) 19:18, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
The site links/language links is function certainly better than bots copying them everywhere. Although, not supporting section redirects is still an issue. Dispenser (talk) 13:27, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Huh, very negative comment. Seems mostly like your personal opinion. Stryn (talk) 20:11, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
You can bury your head in the sand, but we wont be progress make if we don't acknowledged our issues and weaknesses. Dispenser (talk) 13:43, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
According to the law of transition of quantity to quality, Wikipedias was first (many languages) and now this quantity changes into a new quality (appearance of one language from combinations of Q, P and numbers). And when it will be possible to automatically display subcategories in its items tree, then this tool of static modeling of the world will become, perhaps, the best. Now some P* we can use as a (global?) navigation template, some Q* - as a (common, global?) infobox. --Fractaler (talk) 07:43, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

How long has flow been around?[edit]

I was on the star wars wikia and they. Had something similar that was introduced in 2011 . Does and asking whether flow was introduced at the same time on WMF sites. 20:20, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

You can check out mw:Structured Discussions/Rollout. Note that Flow seems to have been renamed Structured Discussions. Killiondude (talk) 20:24, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Twelve Apostles of Ireland Challenge[edit]

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The Twelve Apostles of Ireland Challenge is an edition competition seeking to create and improve articles on the Twelve Apostles of Ireland. Anyone in any language can subscribe and collaborate on building or translating articles relating to the Twelve Apostles. Medals and real icons will be rewarded to the winners. To participate, one just needs to subscribe here and start collaborating. Dia Duit! Leefeni Celtic sign.png 20:37, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


Hello, I wanted and want to start this new project, so I asked many wikipedia-musicsites of many languages. But nobody said something to the project. Nobody said that the project is bad or good! What I do wrong? --Habitator terrae (talk) 10:50, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Why nobody answer me?--Habitator terrae (talk) 15:47, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Maybe not interested. Stryn (talk) 15:55, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Maybe Wikimedia Commons may take your plan.--Jusjih (talk) 22:07, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Is Wikisongs really something for Commons? I thing that Commons is only a project for picture and audio. But I want to do this with the wiki-software.--Habitator terrae (talk) 17:30, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

My new project proposal[edit]

WikiMiscellanea. (Am I doing this right?) Lojbanist (talk) 15:57, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Seeking in a video[edit]

Did Wikimedia just disable seeking in a video?

I noticed like 2 months ago or so that when I play a video (like that in w:The Sheik (film)#Cast), I can't seek the video. It's very annoying because there may be extremely long clips that I don't want to watch in full or that I want to repeat a part.

If there's something I could do to enable seeking, please let me know. If no one knows, please tell me who to ask. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 14:20, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Mahmudmasri: This may be something more appropriately asked on w:WP:VPT. At least it will be potentially responded to faster by someone more knowledgeable. It may need a phab ticket. Killiondude (talk) 17:11, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Note: This was asked at w:WP:VPT#Videos do not seek anymore and the bug is tracked at phab:T188878. --Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:37, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Restricted Abuse Log?[edit]

I have a quick question: why can only unblocked users view the Abuse Log? I am blocked from enwiki and when I view the abuse log (a public log), I get a blocked notice. Ups and Downs () 05:08, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

You have no specific user related restrictions at Meta. If you cannot view lines in Special:AbuseLog it will be due to the filter on the specific entries. If you are talking about English Wikipedia's abuse log, then you are at the wrong place for the question, it is either a configuration of enWP, or it is a component of the Mediawiki application, neither are pertinent here.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:41, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


(Topic moved to here from Meta talk:About/hi#Hello sir, @Pawantiwari9575. --Pipetricker (talk) 09:52, 14 April 2018 (UTC))

Sir, can i work with wikipedia as a volunteer . I am from india and i am good in hindi language so can i work with wikipedia as a volunteer in Hindi language?. Pawantiwari9575 (talk) 20:43, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Pawantiwari9575: try hi:विकिपीडिया:प्रश्न or your Indian chapter of Wikimedia as your starting points.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:09, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

What if any autoconfirmed users could move file?[edit]


Currently, by default, only sysops can move files on a Wikimedia wiki.

Some wikis like Commons have special groups and procedure to move files. But others follow the default Wikimedia setting.

Now we've tested this feature for several years without any major issues, would you agree to allow any autoconfirmed users to move a file (individual wikis would be allowed to change this setting)? --Dereckson (talk) 00:58, 15 April 2018 (UTC)


@Dereckson: Not for the Wikisources. It would be quite problematic for users to break the nexus between files and index pages—so here we are talking djvu and pdf files. I would think that the default should not be move, and allow wikis that wish to do that following local consensus can then do so.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:14, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
I strongly support making file move permissions more liberal. I think having a separate "file movers" user group is unnecessary and we should, at minimum, treat file moves the same as page moves. I'd actually prefer that we be more generous with page move permissions as well. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:43, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia video standards[edit]

I was thinking that there is a lot of video material throughout the internet which aims to explain certain subjects and how they work, like physics, biology, some history videos explaining specific historical battles, i mean, stuff that can be considered wikipedia content to some extent. So I had the idea: "what if wikipedia allowed for links to related videos?"

Like, on the bottom of an article page there would be a topic where editers can paste links to videos that explain the subject, not on the references topic but on its own video topic. This could potentially improve/ease the understanding of a subject for readers. But for it to happen, I believe 2 things would be important: 1 would be a page with strict standards so that people could know what can be linked and what can't. (as to prevent videos with unnecessary information or self promotion for example)

2nd would be a Wiki certificate that can be given to videos, proving that they have enciclopedia content. Certificating videos would encourage the people who make them to base themselves on the wiki standards in order to be considered serious material, as having this certificate shows to their main public that the video could be trusted.

I don't have the time to start off a project based on this idea, neither know if it has been tried before or even if its viable, so i decided to ask for opinions here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Delpreti (talk)

You can add freely licensed images to Wikipedia articles. Materials which are not freely licensed may be used as a source for creating your own video materials. Gryllida 02:03, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Unpublished spam still appearing in English[edit]

Once again, yes once again...

CNBanner:WMILGLAM2018Scholarships-Centralnotice-WMIL Glam2018 Scholarships 1/cy

This issue wasn't sorted out last time, and the problem persists; the plethora of Meta banners seems too difficult for anyone to understand let alone sort out. Please remove this monolingual (English) banner, if you're unable to publish the local language which was translated 24 hours ago. Thanks. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Published now. Stryn (talk) 13:39, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Insulting spam mail[edit]

I get it, Wikimedia needs to do a fundraiser to keep the sites running. But please keep thinking on what you do...

I just got an e-mail from Wikimedia asking me to renew a donation I made years ago (2009), I rather think its pretty insulting as I already been blocked for more then 6 years on several projects. And the e-mail mentions that Wikipedia is free to edit for everyone...

Maybe don't send it to blocked people, as its insulting... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abigor (talk) 11:43, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

@DStrine (WMF): to note.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:54, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

WMDE Technical Wishes/Rollback/Feedback round[edit]

A significant change to the rollback function is being discussed above. --Rschen7754 05:09, 20 April 2018 (UTC)