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Legal question about the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act[edit]

How is Wikimedia complying with COPPA? Because anyone can create an account, even if they are under the age of 13. Should the WMF amend the terms of use to state that a parent must have given permission to the child and the WMF must receive confirmation that they have parental permission? I mean, Wikipedia has a child protection page, but how is that valid under COPPA? Should underage accounts be grounds for global locking? Ups and Downs () 22:52, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I happen to agree with you, Wikimedia should adopt this policy. Especially since they and we don't know who we're dealing with online such as the Wikipedia environment. CentralEchelon (talk) 15:47, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
@UpsandDowns1234: some of this may be answered for you here: Wikikids/Questions_and_answers#Legal_matters. — xaosflux Talk 17:36, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
It's not the best source, but contains some of the key points. Keep in mind most of COPPA is about collecting "personal information", and the most common types are not collected by us (e.g. name, address, age). — xaosflux Talk 17:38, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

People with Autism?[edit]

I was just wondering! What's the policy with the Wikimedia Foundation for users who are autistic? I myself was diagnosed with the Asperger Syndrome in 2009 and completely according to the doctor meet the Autism spectrum. Is the Wikimedia Foundation Autistic friendly? And are there tasks which we can feel comfortable with which won't get us into trouble with the administrators etc. CentralEchelon (talk) 15:53, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello CentralEchelon, in general any editor is welcome that can respect the community behavioral guidelines of the project(s) they participate in. You are not required to identify your diagnosis, but are allowed to. One of our largest projects is the English Wikipedia, and their community has an essay on this topic here: w:en:Wikipedia:High-functioning autism and Asperger's editors. To learn more about editing on the English Wikipedia, you may be interested in going through the Wikipedia Adventure. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 17:33, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Account creation permission in the Basque Wikipedia[edit]

Hello! Currently we are running lots of Education related outreach courses and sometimes we need the Account Creator permission to avoid the 6 account-per-IP limit. That's the reason I was promoted to bureaucrat, so I can give this permission to the person who is running the course. But I have checked that I can't give this permission to anyone, as it is blocked in the User Rights page. Where is the problem or how could I solve this? -Theklan (talk) 09:53, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Theklan. This is because the account creator permission is not configured as a default permission from any group (you can check at eu:Special:ListGroupRights the user rights configuration for your wiki). There are some options I can see:
  • If you need to get someone flagged with account creator permissions now, please drop us a line at SRP and we will gladly assist.
  • You can also hold a local vote at euwiki to request that administrators or bureaucrats be able to add and remove this permission locally.
  • In case of large workshops, if you know the IP or IP range from where the workshop will take place, I think it's best handled through Mass account creation.
Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 11:03, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello, MarcoAurelio! The last case is not valid for us, as we normally find that they have the same IP after arriving the place. The first one could be valid, as we have few people working on the Education Program, but what we voted [1] was basically this: we needed new bureaucrats because sometimes someone needs the Account Creation permission and only bureaucrats can give it (as far as we knew). After, we held a second votation here to renew this bureaucrats. So, as I understand, euwiki community has accepted that bureaucrats have this right, and renewed who have this charge. -Theklan (talk) 17:13, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Theklan - It is possible to grant the bureaucrats at euwiki the ability to add and remove the permission locally, sure. As you can see in a thread below, I am indeed proposing that this permission be on the default "package" of the bureaucrat toolset on Wikimedia wikis. I don't know how much time it'll take to get the proposal approved so if you do not want to wait you can submit a Phabricator task asking that euwiki 'crats be able to grant and remove the permission. And, like I said, should you need to have someone flagged now, please drop us a line at SRP and we'll handle that real quick. Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 18:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks @MarcoAurelio:! Where is the exact place in Phabricator to ask? I would like to bother the less possible as there are lots of projects there. -Theklan (talk) 19:05, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Theklan: you can use the form to create the task. Please let me know if you have doubts/questions. I'm @MarcoAurelio on Phabricator as well. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 19:08, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Let bureaucrats on Wikimedia projects to add and remove 'accountcreator' permission by default.[edit]

Hello. There's a proposal to allow bureaucrats to add and remove the account creator permission locally on Wikimedia Wikis. Thanks. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 15:24, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Request for bot in Thai Wikipedia[edit]

Hello, I'm Horus from Thai Wikipedia. Lately we have only few active bot operators here, and some backlogs can't be done entirely by humans. I am looking for users who are interested to operate bots for (1) moving categories (2) check license, fair use rationale, and source of files, because a lot of files are not following non-free policy. Thanks. --Horus (talk) 12:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

As to categories you can talk to the owner of Special:CentralAuth/AvicBot, which is already flagged in Thai Wikipedia and performs category related tasks in English Wikipedia. Ruslik (talk) 18:28, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

2018 Ombuds Commission announcement[edit]

I am happy to announce the new and returning members of the 2018 Ombudsman Commission (OC), the small group of volunteers who investigate complaints about violations of the privacy policy, and in particular concerning the use of CheckUser and Oversight[1] tools, on any Wikimedia project for the Board of Trustees.


I apologize for the length of the announcement. :)

The application period for new commissioners for 2018 recently closed. The Wikimedia Foundation is extremely grateful to the many experienced and insightful volunteers who offered to assist with this work. This year we received applications representing the widest variety of languages, projects, and regions I’ve seen since I started working with the committee three years ago.

Given the increasing caseload OC has been handing year over year, we have decided to take advantage of the opportunity the diverse candidate pool afforded us and expand the committee by one seat; this year’s OC will consist of eight, rather than seven, members, with a two-member advisory team who will guide the new commission.

I am pleased to announce the composition of the 2018 OC. First, the new members are:

Billinghurst is a long-term Metapedian/Wikimedian who served as a steward from 2012 to 2016 and still serves as a global sysop. He considers his home wiki to be the English Wikisource where he's performed over 260,000 edits and focuses on transcribing biographical reference data from the 19th and early 20thC. In addition, however, to serving as a local administrator on Wikisource he also holds the sysop hat on Commons, Meta and the English Wikipedia racking up almost 700,000 edits across the projects with almost a million edits when you count his bot. He claims to still have a bit of wisdom and knowledge to give.

Jamie Tubers
Sam, who edits as Jamie Tubers, joined the English language Wikipedia community in 2011 and has over the years expanded his activities into a wide range of movement activities including co-founding the Wikimedia user group Nigeria and helping to organize events like Wiki Loves Africa and Wiki Loves Women. He is dedicated to correcting our content gaps and biases related to Africa and raising awareness of the projects on the continent.

Habib started editing in 2010 and has been heavily engaged in community affairs, both onwiki and as part of user groups, for years. A native of Tunisia, he has been a free-culture advocate on a wide range of issues in and beyond the movement. Onwiki, you can mainly find him helping out on Commons, where he is a sysop, as well as the Arabic and French language editions of Wikipedia.

Saileshpat started editing Wikipedia in 2012 and soon became deeply involved in the Odia community. He has helped organize outreach events and worked to spread awareness in his region. In addition he was one of the co-organizers of WikiConference India 2016. Saileshpat has helped in a content relicensing process, where the Government of Odisha decided to release content under Creative Commons licenses. Online he is mainly active on the Odia Wikipedia and Commons.

Elmacenderesi has been working on Wikimedia projects since 2007, primarily on the Turkish Wikipedia. There, he has been a CheckUser and a Bureaucrat since 2008 and an Oversighter since 2011. He is also a member of Wikimedia OTRS and serves as a global outreach coordinator, working with academic institutions and GLAMs, for The Wikipedia Library.

Lucas became a Wikipedian in 2007 and started to engage with CheckUser rights in 2009, when he became a local CU on the Portuguese Wikipedia. He held both Oversight and Checkuser rights on Ptwiki between 2015 and 2017, when his term with the rights expired. He is currently an administrator on Commons. His traditional main focus has been on anti-vandalism work. In 2012, the global community elected him as a steward, a position he has held since.

In addition, experienced OC members Lankiveil and Góngora will be returning as members of the Ombuds Commission:

Lankiveil is a long-term user, admin, and oversighter on the English Wikipedia, having made his first edits in 2004. He served on the Ombuds Commission in 2017, and is also an OTRS volunteer. He also sometimes edits at Irish Wikipedia, and Wikidata. He is a native speaker of Australian English and is a member of Wikimedia Australia.

Góngora, J. Gustavo Góngora-Goloubintseff, primarily edits Spanish Wikipedia, Catalan Wikipedia and Norwegian bokmål Wikipedia. He has been an administrator and bureaucrat on the Spanish Wikipedia since 2007, and an administrator on the Catalan Wikipedia from 2010 until 2017, where he is also a CheckUser. He was a member of the Spanish Arbitration Committee in 2008, before it was dismantled. He was a board member of Wikimedia España in 2011. He is currently a member of both Wikimedia España and Wikimedia Norge.

And the following experienced OC members will be returning as advisors to the commission (this advisory role provides expertise when needed, but does not participate in all discussions):

Pajz has edited the Wikimedia projects since 2005. He was a Wikipedia administrator between 2007 to 2016 and is a member of the Volunteer Response Team. He served as one of the OTRS administrators from 2013 to 2015, before being first appointed to the Ombudsman Commission in 2016.

Krd, who is primarily active on German Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons, and also serves at the Volunteer Response Team as an agent and OTRS admin, and was a prior member of German Wikipedia Arbitration Committee for more than three years. He joined the OC in 2017.

And finally, please join me in thanking the following outgoing volunteers, who have given substantially of their time to serve the commission:

User:Vogone has contributed to Wikimedia projects since early 2012. While they began their involvement on the German Wikipedia, they quickly branched out to Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikivoyage, and Wikiversity. They were the first bureaucrat on the Wikidata project. Vogone has worked heavily assisting our smaller projects as a global rollbacker, global sysop, and member of the Small Wiki Monitoring Team. They have experience in translation administration, both on Meta and Vogone has shown a keen interest in the technical side of user privacy, including contributing to MediaWiki software around edit suppression. Vogone joined OC in 2017.

User:Richwales has been an active Wikimedian since 2005. He is an administrator, oversighter, and sockpuppet investigation clerk on the English Wikipedia. Richwales also served on the now-defunct Audit subcommittee, which served a similar role to the Ombudsman Commission. Rich joined the OC in 2017.

User:Alan has been a registered Wikimedian for more than three years, but an anonymous editor since 2006, working primarily across Spanish language projects. He is a global sysop and global rollbacker, an administrator on Commons, as well as having been an OTRS volunteer for ~4 years. In the past he has served as an administrator and bureaucrat on Spanish Wikivoyage. He joined the OC in 2016.

User:Rubin16 primarily edits the Russian Wikipedia, where he is a bureaucrat and administrator. He is formerly a member of their Arbitration Committee. He is an administrator on Wikimedia Commons and is a Central Notice and translation admin on Meta. (He is also a translation admin on Commons.) He is a member of Wikimedia Russia. He joined the OC in 2015.

User:Polimerek primarily edits Polish Wikipedia (where he is an admin and former arbitrator), Polish Wikibooks and Wikimedia Commons. He also serves the Wikimedia movement as the president of Wikimedia Poland and on the Grant Advisory Committee. He is a former CheckUser. Polimerek joined the OC in 2014.


I'd also like to offer a huge “thank you” to those returning and those coming aboard for the first time, as well as to all those applied. The applications we received this year showed us an extremely able group of volunteers across a diverse array of languages and projects, and while this appointed mix of users may best serve the need for this year, I hope that those who applied and were not appointed will consider applying again in future years. Kbrown (WMF) (talk) 23:52, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

The composition of the 2018 Ombudsman Commission has just been announced on Wikimedia-L. The full announcement text is above. In nutshell and in no particular order, the OC in 2018 will consist of:

Serving in an advisory capacity, and filling in if necessary, will be:

Many thanks also go to the departing members of the 2017 OC for their service: Vogone (joined OC in 2017), Richwales (joined OC in 2017), Alan (joined OC in 2016), Rubin16 (joined OC in 2015), and Polimerek (joined OC in 2014).
Kbrown (WMF) (talk) 23:52, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikimania 2018 call for submissions now open[edit]

On behalf of the program commmittee of Wikimania 2018 - Cape Town, we are pleased to announce that we are now accepting proposals for workshops, discussions, presentations, or research posters to give during the conference. To read the full instructions visit the event wiki and click on the link provided there to make your proposal:

The deadline is 18 March. This is approximately 6 weeks away.
This year, the conference will have an explicit theme based in African philosophy:

Bridging knowledge gaps, the ubuntu way forward.

Read more about this theme, why it was chosen, and what it means for determining the conference program at the Wikimedia blog. Sincerely, Wittylama 08:22, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

هل يمكن عمل رابطة عالمية لتوثيق أحداث التاريخ المعاصر[edit]

نعيش في فترة فاصلة من عمر التاريخ حيث تتوالى الأحداث على سطح كوكبنا وتمتلئ الدول بالأحداث المتلاحقة وتتراكم التغيرات في بقعة واحدة من الأرض

ونجد أن التدوين والتوثيق لمجريات التاريخ المعاصر ليست موثقة ومسجلة بشكل حيادي بحيث يضمن انتقال الأحداث المجردة إلى الأجيال القادمة

لذلك ادعوا جميع المهتمين بتوثيق التاريخ وحفظه إلى هذه اللجنة العالمية لتدوين التاريخ المعاصر بحيادية وتجرد

حتى تتضح صور الأحداث المتلاحقة للعصور القادمة ونكون قد سلمنا ملف التأريخ لمن بعدنا بأمانة

ويمكن القول أن ويكببيديا هي الساحة الطبيعية لتدوين التاريخ لذلك يلزمنا المزيد من الجهد والعمل لتوثيقه بشكل عالمي

والتعاون لتسجيل الأحداث كل حسب منطقته تجمعنا الصفحات البيضاء كلمات وصور وأصوات ومشاهد

يمكننا عن طريقها وضع السياق العام للتاريخ المعاصر والاحداث الراهنة بشكل متسلسل وسلس نستشف منه الحكم والدروس

لأن التاريخ من أبواب الحكمة للإنسانية يحمل في طياته المعاني الكبيرة للزمن والمكان

ويمكن أن يكون هذا هو أكبر تجمع عالمي لتسجيل التاريخ المعاصر بشكل لم يسبق له مثيل

فأهلا وسهلا بكم على صفحات التاريخ

New user preference to let users restrict emails from brand new accounts[edit]


Wikimedia user account preference set to not allow emails from brand new users

The WMF's Anti-Harassment Tools team introduced a user preference which allows users to restrict which user groups can send them emails. This feature aims to equip individual users with a tool to curb harassment they may be experiencing.

  • In the 'Email options' of the 'User profile' tab of Special:Preferences, there is a new tickbox preference with the option to turn off receiving emails from brand-new accounts.
  • For the initial release, the default for new accounts (when their email address is confirmed) is ticked (on) to receive emails from brand new users.
    • Case user: * A malicious user is repeatedly creating new socks to send Apples harassing emails. Instead of disabling all emails (which blocks Apples from potentially receiving useful emails), Apples can restrict brand new accounts from contacting them.

The feature to restrict emails on wikis where a user had never edited (phab:T178842) was also released the first week of 2018 but was reverted the third week of 2018 after some corner-case uses were discovered. There are no plans to bring it back at any time in the future.

We invite you to discuss the feature, report any bugs, and propose any functionality changes on the talk page.

For the Anti-Harassment Tools Team SPoore (WMF) (talk) , Community Advocate, Community health initiative (talk) 00:40, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I need help about tyranny and misuse of management power in Wikipedia[edit]

I need help about tyranny and misuse of management power in Wikipedia. i am suffer over 3 years without being mistaken.

Management abuse:

now i need help against lie , Abuse of power by admins , and unjustic. can everybody here help me? I have been suffered for all three years in an unjust manner. i need to Someone is honest to listen to my words and documentation and help me out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Justicinwiki (talk)

@Justicinwiki: For the most part content related material in each project (such as the English Wikipedia you referenced above) is managed by contributors to that project. You are on the meta-wiki right now, where we coordinate things between or for multiple projects. Do you have a specific example of a multiple project issue that you can identify? What are do want done? — xaosflux Talk 15:52, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Automatical global user registrations[edit]

Hello, I don't know really where to write this message. I'm asking why someone or something is making many user registrations on other wikis. This think happened in 12-14 december 2017 and 9-10 february 2018. If you look in "Attached on" in Sort ascending.[1] It did everything itself not by me but who or what is doing this??? I don't want this. That think it doesn't just happened to me but also some users i know. --S4b1nuz E.656 (talk) 08:39, 11 February 2018 (UTC)


Hi, it could be phab:T181731 (at least the December registrations), but more likely it’s phab:T186945. People are working on this bug :-/ Regards --Schniggendiller (talk) 11:31, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Indeed, there seems a design error in the recent software changes, which cannot be prevented from turning "fake" recentchanges rows into loud noise (phabricator:T181731#3877495). --Nemo 12:04, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Interesting, did not know that.--Alexmar983 (talk) 13:15, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
No, there's no design error. Your complaint in phab:T181731#3877495 is just based on mistaken assumptions, as was pointed out to you in phab:T181731#3878330. BJorsch (WMF) (talk) 15:26, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
Currently, MediaWiki stores the full username as part of each revision, log entry, recentchange entry, and so on. This wastes space to the point that it impedes database maintenance, and also makes renames difficult. Further, it leads to strange issues when it records a username that doesn't exist locally and then that username is created. So we're changing the way they're stored. And part of doing so is making sure that usernames that don't exist locally are never recorded: either they need to be recorded in a new "interwiki" format or the local account has to be created for the SUL account.
A maintenance script to clean up those "username that doesn't exist locally" records from past imports and such was run in December, which is your first batch of creations. After running it, it was found that the Wikibase software was still adding recentchange entries with such usernames (T183019). After fixing that, the script was run again a few days ago to clean up the Wikidata recentchanges that had been added, which is your second batch of creations. There aren't any plans to run the script again, although it may be needed if we find something else is still adding such records.
HTH. BJorsch (WMF) (talk) 15:26, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

NonFreeWiki (2)[edit]

Another proposal NonFreeWiki (2) is made since a month ago as alternative to ongoing proposal, NonFreeWiki. --George Ho (talk) 00:42, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Consider renaming URL of closed Wikipedia 10th anniversary site?[edit]

Well, because iso639-3:ten is Tama in Colombia, while it's an extinct language, there would also in theory have interest people that want to contribute a test wiki in this language editon, but like the existing Norman Wikipedia case, this memorial site also blocks creation of Colombia Tama contents, so shouldn't this be e.g. ? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:13, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't especially disagree, though I wonder if it's remotely worth the effort. Do we know if that language was ever even a written language? I think for now the thing to do is for me to post a notice on that page similar to the one currently at incubator:Wp/nrm, and if anyone ever actually comes to us looking to create a test we'll worry about it then. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:10, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
I'll add: Unlike in the case of nrm, where creating and editing pages in Incubator using the prefix "Wp/nrm" is blocked, it is possible to create pages with the prefix "Wp/ten". So this question is not really a problem until and unless someone creates a test in Incubator and otherwise gets it fully ready for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:21, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Social organizing[edit]

Since 2016 I'm using Part-up ( to find talents for the projects I'm working on. What I don't like about Part-up is that you have to pay money to start a tribe. Hopefully Colony ( will have another business model. But I was wondering. Would this social organizing domain a direction for Wikimedia to explore? I would like to start a dialogue about this. What possible next steps good I take? Regards, Timboliu (talk) 09:48, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Help the Anti--Harassment Tools team pick 2 Blocking tools to build[edit]

Hello everybody! Over the past weeks the Community health initiative team took a look at at all 58 suggestions that came out of the discussion about making improvements to blocking tools. Now join the discussion to select 2 to build from the shortlist. For the Anti-Harassment Tools team, SPoore (WMF) (talk) , Community Advocate, Community health initiative (talk) 18:39, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Why is my site blocked[edit]

Edit page fails with the following message:The following link has triggered a protection filter: spycam The site is The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 03:55, 19 February 2018‎ (UTC)