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Sisterprojects[edit]

Hi,

In the Netherlands Wikipedia is the project that most people know. Wikipedia is also the project that gets the most attention. This year we want to start an initiative to promote the sisterprojects. Facilitated by the chapter we want to make a plan and a vision that will be discussed with the community. I posted this message because maybe other languages/ countries can share some of their experiences with promoting the sisterprojects. I would like to get in contact to hear some best practices. ~

Regards,

Tim Ruijters, Timboliu (talk) 11:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps we can create a Wikimedia: Not Only Wikipedia.  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  08:21, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure what sort of experience you are looking for, but Wikimedia Italia and other chapters promote sisterprojects since 2008 or earlier: you can find a trace in chapter reports. Nemo 08:30, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Whom you're commenting, Nemo? BTW, I suppose Tim means Wikipedia in the Dutch language since it includes part of Belgium and some areas inn the Americas, not only the kingdom.  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  10:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello Nemo, I find the chapter reports of Italia (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Italia). And when I read them I see lots of initiatives. I don't think we have such chapter reports in the Netherlands (maybe I'm mistaken). And according to me, the Dutch community is very focused on Wikipedia. Some Wikipedians see the sisterprojects even as a waste of time. Do you have suggestions how we can change this situation? We are now in the process of creating a team that wants to start up a discussion about sisterprojects. I find it difficult to think about next steps. Timboliu (talk) 09:24, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Journal Scientifique Libre development (open scientific publication)[edit]

A quick graphical explanation.

Hello all,

I'm developing a proposal for a new publication schema in science. Initial proposal was under HAL (the french open archive), and mainly aimed at my discipline (Life Cycle Assessment) that is particularly data intensive but hasn't jumped fully into associated tools.

I took the process from the start (creation of content), because to me scientific publication issues are not limited to Open Access of articles in the end. It has special importance for countries where universities and public research institutes have limited funding and the resulting limited access to scientific publications and data. Discussing and reading I know Greeks[1] and Venezuelans had issues paying subscription fees to scientific journals (but their aren't the only ones bothered on the matter [2] [3]). So I consider providing alternatives to these scientific communities a priority for research. If you have contacts in these chapters, linking you be appreciated.

The project started on two wikis. First work is on ENIPEDIA, a wiki from TU.Delft in Netherlands. The second is the french wikiversity. Discussing with Lionel Scheepmans recently, he advised me to have a look here on how to spread this initiative on several languages and in wikimedian communities and projects.

Your community is probably the wider and the one having the most important operational back-ground for this project. So I'd appreciate some guidance to deliver this proposal to each linguistic communities (friends of mine are translating in Arabic and Hindi). Expertise from particular project seems required to me. I know from exchanges with french wikiversitarian that for a potential integration into wikimedian projects the semantic components of my proposal need special attention and modification from wiki-data's project experts.


Right now I especially look after experienced bot programmers willing to help build the authorship bot (tutoring would be nice). If you're interested you're welcome to join in the effort.

--RP87 (talk) 13:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi RP87, much better your graph ! If you don't receive information here. You can leave message on en.Wikiversity or even en.wikipedia. There is also [4] if you need instantaneous discussions. Good luck ! Lionel Scheepmans Contact French native speaker, désolé pour ma dysorthographie 19:43, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Azwikipedia[edit]

This discussion should be continued on the Stewards'_noticeboard. Green Giant (talk) 11:25, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

(I wrote about it. But there was no reaction ?! The reason I am writing again. Please avoid vandalism.)

User:sefer azeri' is engaged in vandalism: 1 (Reliable sources wiped out.), 2 (Without any major wiped out the picture., , ) , 3 (Fraud. Map changed. 100 years have reduced the state's history.), 4 (Insult.)... Requires block it for at least a year. But it was never punished for their work. Sortilegus always supported him. He is also engaged in vandalism: 1 (Reliable sources wiped out), 2 (The name of the state, has been removed.), 3 (Reliable sources wiped out)... Wertuose always supported him. He is also engaged in vandalism: 1 (Picture of the article - az:Bakı xan sarayı), is deleted.. 2 (insult; Əxlaqsız ifadələrə görə...) and 3. The 3 users blocked me, without any reason! We do not have arbitration and appellate courts. Therefore, administrators dictator. No one can give me an answer?! To whom should I complain? Perhaps now would be the reaction?. -Idin Mammadof talk 08:24, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Aydinsalis, this is the wrong place to ask. The only people who could intervene are the stewards but the might be unable to do so if the wiki has other active admins/bureaucrats or dispute resolution channels. If you have been left no other option (and I really mean "no other option"), then you could try asking at the Stewards' noticeboard, but make sure you read the notice at the top. Green Giant (talk) 17:40, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Per Green Giant, you can left that RfC on Stewards Noticeboard.--AldNonymousBicara? 19:21, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much. -Idin Mammadof talk 18:15, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Aldnonymous and Green Giant, I wrote. There is no reaction. But then what do I do? -Idin Mammadof talk 10:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Vandalism continues..., User:sefer azeri writes: "atan haqqında yazdığın məqaləni də sildim bu da sənə paz olsun ... çox göt-baş atsan onun qəzeti haqqında məqaləni də sənin qəzetin haqqında məqaləni də siləcəm ... nə istəyirsən elə" (To displease you, I will do everything.). -Idin Mammadof (talk) 16:26, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Vandalism continues... and vandalism continues...!!! Ladies and Gentlemen !!! How long the vandals, remain unpunished ?! How long the vandals, the administrator will be ?! --Idin Mammadof (talk) 21:55, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

In these edit the person says "deleted due to copyright infringement"[5][6]. Were these images copied and pasted from another source? Or were they taken by you personally? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:34, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

It belongs to me. They are stored in my personal library. There is no copyright infringement. They have been removed without any reason. They removed without discussion. Also, this page also deleted. Thanks. --Idin Mammadof (talk) 20:55, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Did you make the image yourself? Please note that simply owning a copy of an image is not the same as owning the copyright of an image. Green Giant (talk) 21:02, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
There is no problem. I am the author. Documents belongs to me. I am the author of photos. --Idin Mammadof (talk) 22:07, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Can you email the image in question as I am unable to see it? Also you said that you took the picture with your own camera? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:56, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I photographed their own picture. Web pages belonging to me, these photos are available: 1, 2 Thanks. --Idin Mammadof (talk) 10:18, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

So this was published in 1933 [7] You do not own the content in question but it should be in the public domain as it is so old. This document is from 1993 [8] Unless that is your signature on the bottom you do not own it. The person who wrote the document or the government owns it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:23, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

As I said and you acknowledge, there is no copyright infringement: 1. That is the official document (Letter of the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan.)), according to our laws, in the public domain. I am the author of photos. --Idin Mammadof (talk) 8:08, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Agree the first one appears okay. But were does it say government documents are public domain? I do not see it here [9] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:29, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

You see through autotranslator. --Idin Mammadof (talk) 12:37, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I found: Article 7. Objects not covered by copyright protection, (page 15). --Idin Mammadof (talk) 12:45, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes that indeed says state documents are not covered by copyright. Have requested the deleting admin comment here [10] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:56, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. For it have requested the deleting admin comment here. No results. Is there another way to solve the problem? Vandals will not be punished? --Idin Mammadof (talk) 13:10, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
We need to give them some time to respond. Also they are not a "vandal". They are deleting stuff as they see it as a copyright infringement. I am waiting to hear their side of the story. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:14, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
This is not the first time? I can show 100 cases. They will not let me in the Azerbaijani Wikipedia, as well as other users. --Idin Mammadof (talk) 13:28, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
So far, there was no discussion. Now I began. Articles must be restored first. But I still have not recovered, only 1 article has been restored. In this article, the photo has not been restored yet: [20].--Idin Mammadof (talk) 17:26, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Okay yes I see that. Will give the admin more time to response. Can you provide a link to the discussion that resulted in your ban? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:06, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. "Can you provide a link to the discussion that resulted in your ban?" - I did not understand, you want to know the reason for this? I have not breached any rules. --Idin Mammadof (talk) 18:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I am wondering if their was a discussion that resulted in your ban. And if so can you post it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:26, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I created this article. Protested. But they could not delete the article. They blocked me. They are a group. Receive a salary from the state. They do not allow us to. --Idin Mammadof (talk) 18:38, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Content that meets at least one of the criteria for speedy deletion (Müzakirə edilmədən silinən məqalələr):
    • Advertising or other spam without any relevant or encyclopedic content (Reklam və spam xarakterli məqalələr);
    • Blank pages (Information pages are not). (Boş məqalələr (çox qısa və heç bir informasiya daşımayan məqalələr (məsələn, Filankəs - rejissor)) (Ən sadə məzmun qaydası: Məqalə başlıqdan və bu başlığı çox sadə şəkildə də olsa ifadə edən ən azı bir cümlədən ibarət olmalıdır.));
    • Vandalism, including inflammatory redirects, pages that exist only to disparage their subject, patent nonsense, or gibberish (Vandalizm nəticəsində yaradılmış məqalələr);
    • Misspell the name of the article. For example ( az:Fizuli instead of, az:Fizuli) (Məqalə başlığı səhv yazılmış yönləndirilən məqalələr (məsələn, Fizuli));
    • Written on the same subject, if another article (Eyni və ya çox yaxın məzmuna malik başqa məqalənin mövcud olması);
    • Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and articles that are themselves hoaxes (Məzmunu mötəbər mənbələrlə əsaslandırılması mümkün olmayan məqalələr, o cümlədən istifadəçilərin mənbələrə əsaslanmayan özfəaliyyəti);
    • Articles in other languages (Digər dillərdə yazılmış məqalələr).

Under these rules, the articles can not be deleted: [21], [22], [23].

In addition, I would like to mention:

Deleted articles have already been restored:az:Söhrab Arabov, az:Rövzət Dəmirçizadə, az:Məhyəddin Abbasov, az:Nəsib Muxtarov (arxeoloq). But now the deletion is discussed. No reason given. These pages will not edit anonymous az:Vikipediya:Kənd meydanı, az:Vikipediya:İdarəçilərə müraciət, az:Vikipediya:Silinməyə namizəd səhifələr, az:Nuxa qalası, az:Nuxa qəzası, az:Şəki dövləti. They want to be I could not edit anonymous, and I could not have to complain. So I can not complain that they want to lock me global. For this nachili private discussions. The same individuals: User:Wertuose, User:Sortilegus, User:sefer azeri. But not yet found any reason not bud. If they though an appeal to the Steward, let them come here. If they are right, what are afraid?! --Idin Mammadof (talk) 15:20, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
The vandalism continues. Again, the pictures are deleted without discussion ([29], [30] They belong to the opposition. For this reason deleted.). Some, after being restored. But some still have not been recovered ( [31] ). Worst of all is that such things happen regularly. We are angry, we are wasting our time, but it is happening again. All intellectuals went out. How long this situation will last? Please help. --Idin Mammadof (talk) 13:16, 3 September 2015‎ (UTC)
Sefer azeri yesterday pleaded with me unjustly block. Sefer azeri recently had 6 articles indisputably clear. Because he had created Aydinsalis substances. Hasan that when the complainant had brought back again the other administrators Article 2 of them. Then Aydinsalis 4 article "deletion candidate pages" pulled pane debate. That there is a debate as it is written in the pages it may take up to 15 days. 4 article that has opened the debate over the 15 days after the idea had reported only four people in the discussion. 20 days after the start of the debate. Sefer azeri and Keete 37 makes it nearly always the same review to any discussion of an argument, are deleted without reason and the principles he commented. Sefer azeri immediately "deleted unanimously decided to say" that archive discussion.[32] I took back the debate from the archive "this election is not the place," I said. "We're doing this in the election here, you" was decided unanimously "to say the debate concludes," I said. "Secondly not finish first in this debate, because I said you are neutral in this debate." You're the delete Articles "I said." The decision you should not give any manager, "I said.[33] Sefer azeri blocks show the grounds that I did vandalism pleaded with.--Samral (talk) 06:05, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
I blocked 10 times. 9 Sefer azeri did. Is it coincidence that so? I appeal to all administrators [34]. None of them did not answer. It's not just me. Many users refer pleaded with him to receive the status administration [35], [36], . But almost none received no reply.--Samral (talk) 06:08, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Dear META. They violated general principles of Wikipedia, and it is constantly going on. Vandalism is legal, and you do nothing? I still have to wait? Is it true that you never look at my complaint? I want to believe that you will defend the principles of Wikipedia, albeit belatedly. --Idin Mammadof 9:39, 23 September 2015 2015 (UTC)
  • I have written here, I wanted to help. I have not received any response. The discussion is not over yet. Please pay attention to the issue. --Idin Mammadof 21:36, 13 November 2015‎ ‎(UTC)
The users also blocked indefinitely. Without any reason: [38], [39], [40] --Idin Mammadof 17:03, 30 December 2015‎ ‎(UTC)
The second account you mention was blocked for two weeks in 2014, with a reason given: Vikipediyadanın normal işinin pozulması; https://az.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C4%B0stifad%C9%99%C3%A7i_m%C3%BCzakir%C9%99si%3A94.20.244.157&diff=2975193&oldid=2975188 - the link goes to a discussion where the impending block was made perfectly clear - they now edit quite a lot, apparently without a problem. Rich Farmbrough 17:46 10 January 2016 (GMT).
Time has passed 14 days, another year has passed. He's still on the block. The reason for the above is completely false. He did not break any rules. --Idin Mammadof 18:34 11 January 2016‎ ‎(UTC)
  • I have written here, I wanted to help. I have not received any response. The discussion is not over yet. Please pay attention to the issue. --Idin Mammadof 21:36, 13 November 2015‎ ‎(UTC) --Idin Mammadof 16:47, 28 January 2016‎ ‎(UTC)

The Knowledge Engine - a post by Lila Tretikov[edit]

There has recently been a good deal of discussion on the Wikimedia-L email list and elsewhere about the Knowledge Engine, a project that has not been well known outside the Wikimedia Foundation staff until recently. Foundation Executive Director recently posted a message about it. Worth discussing at Talk:Knowledge Engine. -Pete F (talk) 21:00, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of an article on another project.[edit]

I can't find the administrator's page on Vietnamese, but Desyra was deleted as a hoax on Simple English Wikipedia. Could a Vietnamese administrator please delete the page, since it is a hoax. Thank you. Nepaxt (talk) 03:06, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nepaxt: I tagged it {{delete|C3 - hoax}}.   — Jeff G. ツ 08:44, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
The deletion tag was removed. I put it back on. Nepaxt (talk) 21:09, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Deleted and blocked sysop, many thanks. Tuanminh01 (talk) 02:39, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Proposed WMF board resolution on the unreliability of Wikipedia[edit]

I've asked the WMF board of trustees to pass a resolution acknowledging Wikimedia content is generally unreliable, and encouraging the WMF to support efforts aimed at improving reliability.

Please have your say here. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 09:10, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Manipulation in Wikipedia[edit]

There are a lot of manipulation in Wikipedia. That means a lot of editors are "killed" by opposing editors by means of accusations without evidences.

Is Wikipedia an encyclopedia of gladiators ? I red on the pages of some administrators: I killed 20,000 editors, I killed 19,000 editors... Generally, scientific world try to avoid such horrible source when editors kill other editors to have free way to manipulation.

libertad de expresiòn en publicaciones en wikimwdia[edit]

¿Por què se intenta oprimir la libertad de expresiòn a travès de la censura de la opiniòn de cualquier individuo? --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jafe anmo (talk) 19:19, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi,
Your libertad de expresiòn is a constitutional right allowing you to say what you want, without having BEFORE to get approval for government.
What that means?
It allows you to say what you want, without being mollested, arrested by the state.
Only laws, in Spain, as in other countries of Council of Europe, when these laws are strictly necessary in a democratic society and proportional to the pursued goal, could restrict a posteriori your freedom of speech, asking you to assume responsibility before courts (e.g. difamación cases).
But even in this worst hypothesis, you were able to state what you had to say, without any prior interference by the state. This is different from censorship, which blocks the expression.
Freedom of speech and Wikimedia projects
The Wikimedia projects are worldwide community projects to "collect and collect and develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally".
They are not the government, they don't block your freedom of speech: you're still free to write what you want in any space you own.
But Wikimedia projects are not your private personal space, it's a community space, where the content is the fruit of the community.
Each time you want to publish something and have full control about it, please publish it in any space you own, your own website for example.
In a nutshell.
When your writings are removed from the Wikimedia projects, or when an user is blocked, freedom of speech constitutional right is not impeded. --Dereckson (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Model categories[edit]

Is there an "ideal" category tree for a small Wikipedia? I'd rather adapt a solid model to our situation than re-invent the wheel. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

I am not aware of any but can not you use enwiki? Ruslik (talk) 19:17, 10 February 2016 (UTC)