Grants talk:IdeaLab/Just do not care about it
Not eligible for the Inspire Campaign[edit]
I've moved this idea out of the Inspire Campaign based on a couple of reasons. The premise of the idea is that nothing more that needs to be done about harassment, and that there are already systems in place to deal with the issue. While some may feel this way, I do not think it is well-supported. Please read over the FAQ page for the rationale behind this campaign. While you are free to disagree with that premise, the place to discuss the topic of harassment in this campaign more generally is at Grants talk:IdeaLab/Inspire/Meta. It is not appropriate to create an idea that is essentially a commentary which proposes doing nothing. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 18:26, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- How do you know it isn't well supported? This entire campaign needs to clearly define why existing wiki-processes are not able to handle harassment. Even the study done by the support & safety team did not look at whether or not harassment is dealt with, only that it happens. If 32% of people report being harassed, but 31% of those cases are adequately resolved, then is there a problem? Probably not. I don't know because nobody bothered to do some basic groundwork before creating this campaign. Ajraddatz (talk) 18:41, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- They did indeed evaluate how harassment is dealt with. Refer to pages 29 onward in the report. While it is true that (some) editors find that some strategies are better than others (like "just ignore it"), the overall picture is that the current methods available to editors to try and address these kinds of behaviors often do not result in useful outcomes. I suspect people feel like they waste their time in many cases even when attempting to report to various outlets. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 18:54, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- That looks at how individuals deal with it, not how it is systemically addressed. There's a big difference there. Ajraddatz (talk) 18:58, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- This Ajr guy makes sense.--TParis (talk) 19:10, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Of the 3,845 Wikimedians participated in the survey, 38% said they had been harassed. Of those who said they were harassed, 54% said they decreased their participation in the project as a result. So there you have it. They *are* ignoring the harassment. By leaving. Look at the discussion of the survey on meta. It got so aggressive that no one would even participate in the discussion. If people are only willing to talk about harassment in an anonymous survey, that pretty much says it all. —Neotarf (talk) 22:14, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
- That looks at how individuals deal with it, not how it is systemically addressed. There's a big difference there. Ajraddatz (talk) 18:58, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- They did indeed evaluate how harassment is dealt with. Refer to pages 29 onward in the report. While it is true that (some) editors find that some strategies are better than others (like "just ignore it"), the overall picture is that the current methods available to editors to try and address these kinds of behaviors often do not result in useful outcomes. I suspect people feel like they waste their time in many cases even when attempting to report to various outlets. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 18:54, 3 June 2016 (UTC)