The following request for comments
is closed. This matter had nothing to do with Meta-Wiki or the RfC process. It was merely a buggy script on frwiki, now fixed. Thanks go to PiRSquared17 for finding and fixing the issue and to Krenair for the work on testing the fix. Snowolf How can I help? 20:09, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Le lien d'attribution d'OpenStreetMap a disparu des cartes navigables affichées depuis le lien en haut des pages. Visiblement l'outil hébergé sur les Tool Labs pour sa version utilisée sur Wikipédia en français a été "bidouillé" pour virer cette attribution OBLIGATOIRE.
Merci aux administrateurs d('intervenir pour rétablir la situation. Dans l'immédiat, si la correction est compliquée ou si celui qui a fait ça n'est pas joignable, ou n'a pas le temps de le faire, il FAUT désactiver le plus vite possible cette carte et ne laisser que le lien générique vers la page de sélection de carte hors de Wikipédia (qui donne le choix du fournisseur de cartographie, y compris OSM), cela ne peut pas attendre.
Ensuite, savoir qui a touché à l'outil hébergé sur les ToolLabs (quelquepart dans le contenu inclus dans l'IFRAME) est secondaire, mais il est impératif de mieux le protéger contre ce genre de manipulations hasardeuses. On peut toujours ensuite chercher qui a fait ça mais ce n'est pas la première urgence et ce sera à régler ici.
Merci aussi de faire intervenir les administrateurs de la Fondation Wikimédia. Cela s'impose d'ailleurs à TOUS les wikis de Wikimédia s'ils utilisent les cartes OpenStreetMap : la Wikipédia anglophone est conforme elle dans la carte qu'elle affiche de façon un peu différente. On devrait faire un tour pour vérifier les autres wikis (l'outil sur les Tool Labs est peut-être réutilisé sur d'autres wikis que la Wikipédie francophone mais dans la même version qu'ici).
C'est IMPERATIF, ce n'est pas une "option". La non-attribution est une violation du droit d'auteur (copyvio) et place la Wikipédie francophone (et par elle aussi la Fondation Wikimédia) dans l'illégalité. -- Verdy p (discuter) 20 décembre 2014 à 17:17 (CET)
- @PiRSquared17, @Nemo_bis (please contact other possible admins who can work on this issue; also contact someone available in the WMF by other possible channels you know; the Legal department of the WMF should also be advized of this issue and informed about its resolutions and appropriate protection measures taken to avoid this to occur again, and a policy recalled, posibly by posting a global cross-wiki announcement or to several mailing lists used by admins in various wikis).
- Affected pages: ALL PAGES GEOLOCALIZED pages in French Wikipedia (a lot!).
- Note the same message was posted on the "Bistro" page of French Wikipedia, and on its Legal Talk page. It was also reported on the OpenStreetMap mailing list (discussing other copyvios made by various sites). Wikipedia is not an exception to this rule ! Also posted in Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat (links here).
- Please investigate the issue on other wikis. It is not acceptable to remove such mandatory attribution. Otherwise this is a copyright violation.
- The tool should be immediately disabled on French Wikipedia if we have to wait for its correction/restauration (we can keep the other link displayed at top of pages that brings users to a choice of cartography providers, including OpenStreetMap. The situation is correct on English Wikipedia with its slippy maps. Thanks for admins to look at the situation at take the most appropriate emergency measure. -- verdy_p (talk) 16:36, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- Emergency edits can be requested by stewards, e.g. at Steward requests/Miscellaneous. But you need to include permalinks to the illegal diff (in MediaWiki namespace I suppose?) and to the request made to sysops, so that it's clear what change is needed and what sysops refused to do. --Nemo 16:55, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- I cannot locate what has been made precisely or when or by whom. So I cannot provide diffs immediately. I've not worked on developing or installing this tool, I just signal the incident and try to contact persons that could solve it or find the appropriate people. I have NOT said that a sysop refused to do something, but the issue is serious enough (hundreds of thousands pages in FR.WP) and could also affect other wikis using the same extension hosted on Tool Labs, that it requires informing not just French Wikipedia admins, but also other admins (on Tool Labs at least). As it concerns several sites and the tool is extremely visible in French Wikipedia, it is normal to notify the WMF and inform more people. verdy_p (talk) 17:45, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Why was this not discussed on the French Wikipedia first? --Rschen7754 17:46, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- I have sent the alert to the French Wikipedia too (and first); this is why it was written first in French there (I have just added a cross-link to this current page).
- But this is concerns more than just French Wikipedia as this is a cross site issue (involving also Tool Labs at least, and so may concern other wikis reusing the same hosted tool). I don't know exactly where the code is wrong (in Wikipedia or in Tool Labs?). verdy_p (talk) 17:49, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- This is a matter for the French Wikipedia, not for Meta-Wiki. Please file a RfC there, or follow the appropriate local procedures. If the code issue is on labs, then contact the relevant tool owners and/or the WMF staff running the matter, but this is really not the correct process imo. Snowolf How can I help? 18:01, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- "the Legal department of the WMF should also be advized of this" -> you can advise LCA of this issue yourself if you think it relevant, see LCA. Snowolf How can I help? 18:03, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- Meta-Wiki is appropriate for cross-site issues. We are effectively directed on this RfC page for such cross-site issues !
- So this place is appropriate (if not, document better the way from the Meta-Wiki start page that drives us here!). verdy_p (talk) 18:06, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- a) This is not a crosswiki case. Your statements above only mention the French Wikipedia as being affected by this. If there are more Wikimedia wikis suffering from this issue, please mention them. b) Local problems should be solved locally. This means you should file a RfC or equivalent system on the French Wikipedia, for comments and input from the editors active there. c) If Labs is affected, all you need to do is contact the maintainer of the affected tool and inform them of the issues. If for whatever reason that is not possible, contact one of the WMF staffers who handle Labs issues, and they will direct you to the correct person for your query. d) If you want to "notify the WMF" as you said above, see LCA, a meta RfC is not the way to do so. If you want to inform other editors that this problem might be happening on their wikis, see Wikimedia Forum or an equivalent venue (maybe maps-l?). Meta RfCs are not an alternative to local action, or a notification system. Please pursue this matter in the appropriate local venues, and not Meta-Wiki. Regards, Snowolf How can I help? 18:11, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- It looks like a solution has been proposed on frwiki by Pirsquared, so you might want to look into it. Snowolf How can I help? 18:14, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- The problem seems to be fixable with a tiny edit to the CSS of the Gadget used on frwiki. Did we really end up with a Meta RfC over a tiny CSS edit on frwiki? ... Snowolf How can I help? 18:34, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- Actually the correction is to be made on Tool Labs because its depends on the selected background map (you can only select this map with the blue "+" icon; all is controled within an IFRAME generated by Tool Labs. A basic CSS modification in the Gadget will clearly be insufficiant (we also have to give attributions and licencing info for the satellite view!).
- We also MUST NOT have to click on "+" or "options" buttons (or elsewhere) to locate the attribution and copyright/licencing info. The tiny logo icon at top of pages, beside " cartes" (which just activates the slippy map when it is clicked on the same link) is definitely NOT an attribution and not a licence. verdy_p (talk) 18:48, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- If that is the case, then did you bother contacting the maintainer of the labs tool? Snowolf How can I help? 19:04, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- Simply I don't know who he is. And in fact I don't bother about it, the issue is still on Wikipedia. and there's almost nobody present in Tool Labs.
- Note that the following link is correct : https://tools.wmflabs.org/wiwosm/osm-on-ol/kml-on-ol.php?lang=fr&uselang=fr¶ms=43.604482_N_1.443962_E_type:city_region:fr&title=Toulouse
- But this "iframed" page does not render correctly in the gadget panel when it is activated (because it moves that page above down, below the lower limit of the panel, by an amount equal to the height of the top white drag area). So nothing is visible.
- You can easily sea that the iframe is clipped when you attempt to select it in the developer console of a browser suche as IE or Chrome (which shows a semi-transparent colored background or border). The CSS proposed by Pir² does not work, the draggable panel is simply incorrect and doesnot properly dimension the contained iframe within it but it just moves it down outside its limits; that iframe should be positioned in the draggable panel using BOTH "top:<some>px" AND "bottom:<some><px/em>", but NOT "height:" (it should also use "left:<some><px/em>" AND "right:<some><px/em>" but NOT "width:") to use the correct positions relative to borders/margins/padding of the draggable panel, independantly of its varying sizes. verdy_p (talk) 19:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- I've been having troubles getting the proposed css fix to work (for reasons unrelated to this), but it does seem like it would fix the issues and provide attribution. It just needs a frwiki admin to implement it. I'm not sure of what the reference to the logo is, the fix provides full attribution, have you tried it at all? Snowolf How can I help? 19:13, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- Also, what is going on here? I can't find any edits by Nemo bis to this page... Snowolf How can I help? 18:18, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- I have imported a reply he made on another page to avoid duplications. This is really what he posted. The source now contains a link to this page. verdy_p (talk) 18:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)