Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Gagauz 2

From Meta, a Wikimedia project coordination wiki
Jump to navigation Jump to search

Gagauz Wikipedia[edit]

main page Requests for new languages (Wikipedia Gagauz 2)
submitted verification final decision
Application-certificate.svg This proposal has been approved.
The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project.

The closing committee member provided the following comment:

This wiki has been created at gag.wikipedia.org. Jon Harald Søby 17:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Proposal summary
Please read the handbook for requesters for help using this template correctly.

Arguments in favour[edit]

  • Support Strong Support: Gagauz is a living language with about 230,000 speakers in the world, 147,500 in Moldova, 31,500 in Ukraine, 15 000 in Turkey, 11 000 in Russia and unknown but sizeble amount in Bulgaria, Greece and Romania. There are newspapers, magazines and even TV and radio broadcasts in this language in Gagauzia. It has written tradition. In Moldova and Gagauzia, gagauz language is studied in schools and universities. User:Cuman 09.57, 07 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Support per above. The language has enough speakers, established written standard and official status in Gagauz Autonomous territory. Don Alessandro 16:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Strong Support: Native speakers of Gagauz are willing to contribute to this project in the long-term, hence this project has the potential to flourish like the other Turkic language Wikipedia editions. Therefore the Gagauz language ought to be given the opportunity and priviledge to have its own language edition of Wikipedia. --Jose77 07:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Strong Support per User:Cuman --Russianname 12:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Support - a living and spoken language, officially recognized in Gagauzia and having a notable web presence. Support with the usual condition - let it grow in the incubator first. But the current incubator looks promising! --Amir E. Aharoni 21:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Support per User:Cuman. any language has a right to have its own wikipedia. --Riwnodennyk 16:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Support. A language with enough number of speakers and with an official status.--Yaroslav Blanter 21:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Support, language has the right qualifications to have a Wikipedia. Khutuck 16:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Support language speak 500,000 people.--Uannis 19:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Strong User:Cuman explain in on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz_language there are 150,000 speakers and all Turkic language Wikipedia editions can help this Wikipedia project me too.--Absar 15:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Support. According to ethnologue, 89% of 150,000 people speak it as the first language. --Volkov 13:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Support500.000 people means we have to create this. --Kafkasmurat 18:25, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Support support gagauz language. A lot of gagauz speakers on the earth. --Memty 11:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Strong Support: There are enough gagauz speakers in the world. This project could gather all gagauz speaking people.--Vusal1981 01:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Support per above.--Ahonc 13:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support (I know voting was abolished a long time ago here, but wanted to express my sympathy anyhow...). --ARBE0 16:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support 230 000 speakers IS absolutely enough to create a Wiki-society. Check out, e.g. the Inupiak version of Wikipedia (3 500 living users). So as to expresss my sympathy to Gagauz people, I strongly support this Wikipedia. Timpul 17:10, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Support Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 05:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Support. The test project is well developed, so I bet it is worth becoming Wikipedia. --Wisconsus 19:27, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Support. Well developed--Biŋhai 12:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Support--Reality006 23:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Support. There're enough speakers!--Gökçe Yörük 23:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support: Even only being a living language is sufficient to support. People wait this project in their own language. --İazak 09:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support: --Beşiktaşlı48 11:55, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Support--Osmanlı98 18:33, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Support--Ykargin 01:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Support: I support.--Veritas 10:04, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Support: No reason why to deny a people of their GOD-given right, by birth - to have its own language and a a FREE Wikipedia (SUPPORT MONTENEGRIN) CRNOGORSKI PATRIOTA
  • Support Support: This is a living, independent language.––Doncsecztalk 15:24, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Support: A beautiful Altaic language. --Eino81 22:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Support: The number of articles in incubator exceeds 1000 and is more than it's now in 80(!) already created existing Wikipedias! --ɴõɴəχүsƚ 15:34, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support: It has official status in Gagauz-Eri autonomy in Moldova. Gaggauz language is developing.Kaiyr 13:21, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support: Official status in Gagauz Yeri, it's developing, "growing up"--Andrijko Z. 14:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Support: There are 1126 articles in Gagauz Wikipedia in the Incubator now, and acording to my experience it's a good start. Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 04:06, 27 August 2010 (UTC) (I came here due to the following discussion: http://ru.wikipedia.org/?oldid=27301664 )
  • Support Support Chabi 06:22, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Support, project more than a thousand articles, it's time to create a separate partition. Master Shadow 05:46, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Arguments against[edit]

  • Oppose Oppose Извините за мой английский! Гагаузский язык имеет слишком мало носителей, что бы образовать вики-языковый-проект.

Если он будет создан, то он захиреет и умрёт через месяца 2-3! Носителей гагаузского языка меньше, чем население Кишинёва в котором не так уж и много Википедистов! --Inquisitorex 18:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

    • Translation: Excuse my English! Gagauz languae language has too few speakers to create a wiki-language-project. If it will be created, it will wither and die after 2-3 months! There are less people speaking Gagauz than people living in Chişinău where there aren't many Wikipedians. (translated by Amir E. Aharoni).

General discussion[edit]

  • At this moment there has not been any localisation done in BetaWiki. When the first messages have been translated, Gagauz will get a place in the statistics and the messages will become available in the Incubator and the other Wikimedia Foundation projects in a few days. Thanks, GerardM 16:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • The localisation is done.. There is however no activity at the moment ... GerardM 20:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Currently 93.76% of the most used MediaWiki messages have been localised. Localisation of these messages is a requirement before your request is finally assessed. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 11:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Approval[edit]

The project has been approved by the Language committee. We are waiting now for up to seven days for Board's decision, which should be a formality. In the meantime, please fill the next questionnaire, so we can give necessary data for opening the project:

  • Language code: gag
  • Site url: gag.wikipedia.org
  • Project name ("Wikipedia" in native language): Vikipediya
  • Project namespace (usually the same as the project name): Vikipediya:
  • Project talk namespace: Vikipediyanın laflanması
  • Project logo (135x135 PNG image generated from some decent SVG image):
    Gagauz Vikipediya logo
  • Default project timezone (replace TZN with the timezone name, like CET and UTC+-X with difference between your TZ and UTC): EET (UTC+2)

SPQRobin (talk) 19:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

It has been approved by the Board, so the only thing left is this questionnaire before I can submit a bug to request its creation. SPQRobin (talk) 22:09, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
bugzilla:25569. The Gagauz Wikipedia is ready for creation. --Arseny1992 20:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I submitted a bug request: 25569. SPQRobin (talk) 20:38, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Comment[edit]

These people may or may not be fluent, but I call shenanigans on their claims to be native speakers. The vast majority of Gagauz speakers are bilingual in Russian, but these people mostly have babel templates indicating tr-4 and nothing else other than Gagauz. I was happy to see this proposal until I noticed this inconvenient fact. Let's make sure that actual Gagauz native speakers are creating the content here, please, and not have a repeat of some existing Wikipedias written all by amateur second language learners. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Node ue (talk • contribs) .

I agree with Node ue, it looks like there is too little real speakers of the language. Only Virüs, Cuman (who state they are not native speakers) and Todur (who states he is a native speaker) seem to have writen more than a paragraph in Gagauz. Concerning the others, they seem to have written only one sentence, and all the other information in the article written by them is presented by infobox, lists and tables plus images without meaningful captions. The most typical example is incubator:Wp/gag/Ukrayna (Ukraine has the world's second largest Gagauz population), which has only one line of text. Thus, this wiki may have a real problem with native speakers, as too many users seem to be able to write only a phrase in Gagauz — NickK 19:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm surprised, because the project is in the incubator for three years already, and I wonder why nobody brought any argument contr and opened this topic again after the approval. The fact that some native Gagauz speaking users also speak Turkish, it is not means they are from Turkey. This argument seems absurd. For example, user Kaykauz is the moderator at a Gagauz net forum with 5500 members. AT LEAST 200,000 PEOPLE SPEAK GAGAUZ so what you see here is only a beginning. Since I started this project in 2007, was only a few users, and also there were some opinions that the project will not survive just some months. But today - after three years have proved that wrong. Gagauz Wikipedia - is a big impulse to national rebirth Gagauz language, for the first time Gagauz native speakers get a native-language online resource. Maybe you do not feel it, but even a simple incubator project made it. We must understand, Gagauz Wikipedia is not just a simple technical matter, it is a chance for Gagauz language to fight for survival.About Ukrainian Gagauzs: http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/gag/Ukraina_gagauzları, http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/gag/Bütün_Ukraina_Gagauzların_Birlii -- Cuman 11:33, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Personally I noticed this issue only after Node ue's comment. It's not an argument against, it's just a potential problem of the projec. Plus there were problems with Turkish language speakers who created meaningless pages in the Incubator in some close languages, I hope this is not the case. I don't cast doubt on the language or the project itself, I appreciate your efforts to create encyclopaedia in Gagauz. I hope that it's simply a problem of growth and not a project policy, so I hope with the popularisation of the project you will have much less template-built articles but not encourage creating templated articles. Anyway, I do not have anything against this project and wish you good luck with it, hope you expand your contributors base and avoid poential problems of small wikis. Good luck! — NickK 21:56, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Cuman, please don't mistake my comment. I have nothing against the beautiful Gagauz language, however new Wikipedias must have at least 3 native speakers contributing before they are allowed to be created, and that does not seem to be the case here. I will be happy if Gagauz Wikipedia grows, but please find native speakers, from Moldova and Ukraine for example, rather than people from Turkey whose native language is Turkish. Again, what is your explanation for the fact that few of your editors speak Russian when 99% of Gagauz people are bilingual in that language? --Node ue 23:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, but where does it say in the policy that 3 native speakers are needed? Cbrown1023 talk 02:00, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
You know, the fact that many listed Turkish as a language that they speak does not mean they come from Turkey. It is just that the language is very close to Turkish (some even consider it a dialect) and people in Gagauzia are very keen of Turkey. Turkey invested a lot in schools and businesses in Gagauzia, and they also promoted their culture. So far I know, the governament of Moldova never contested that Gagauzians are of Turkish origins, and encouraged cultural connections of this region with Turkey. --Danutz 01:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)