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Costs for this survey[edit]

Hello,

how many money does this survey cost. And why do you use a external company for this survey. I think the most questions of this survey are multiple choice questions and there it does not take a long time to know how many persons have chosen what for a answer and how were the questions translated. I think there have been translated some things into German where it doesnt make sense. For example Village pumps was translated with Dorfpumpen. This is a translation but does not exist in the German Wikipedia as a Diskussion site. Is it possible to get the text of the questions in German so that I can check the questions and tell you when I think that another translation of a word were good. -- Hogü-456 (talk) 18:30, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

As Hogü said, the translations are terrible. For example there is a question about how I deal with new users and one option is "I post a message on their talk page, using a barnstar or a predefined message" while the german translation is "Ich poste eine Nachricht auf ihrer Talkseite mit einem Barnstar oder einer vorformulierten Nachricht." The translation is very close to the original, however there is one problem: Barnstars don't exist in the German Wikipedia. Another example: Ihe part where I am asked where I am from I can select a country from a list which is sorted alphabetically in english - but obviously is a mess when viewed in german. "Deutschland" can be found under "G", "Österreich" can be found under "A". It works in english but not if every entry in the list is translated individually. It's obvious that this survey is made by enwiki users for enwiki users. I hope that the surveys taken are not all grouped together but are instead analyzed in seperate groups depending on the language the survey-taker used. On another note: The final part asking about demographic data is pretty weird. For example the question about gender has the options "male", "female", "transgender", "non-binary". Sooo apparently trans people are neither man nor woman? And when asked about age the minimum available is 18. Are people below 18 not allowed to participate on Wikimedia projects? Both of these don't affect me (I am neither trans nor below 18) but I wanted to point this out anyways. ーŒ̷͠²ð·¨´´̢́̕͘³͏¯̞̗ 【🅱alk】 17:44, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Hello Œ̷͠²ð·¨´´̢́̕͘³͏¯̞̗! We are aware that there are some issues with the translations-- they were completed by a third-party service. We had hoped to have volunteers make corrections to the survey translations, but as this is such a large request many of the languages did not get reviewed, and German is one of them. We are manually fixing errors (like the one mentioned at the top of this page) as we can, but some we are stuck with--in particular the problem of alphabetization you refer to. We intended to make the list of regions and countries alphabetical in each survey language, but it is not possible due to the survey infrastructure. Please know that this is a known issue, and we are looking into ways to fix it for next year--same goes for overall translation quality. As for the gender question, we ask respondents to select all that apply in order to make the question as inclusive as possible. For the age question, we are bound by legal restrictions on surveying people under 18 without parental consent. I appreciate your feedback! I do have one question for you-- is there another "vorformulierten Nachricht" that we might use to substitute for "Barnstar" in the German version of the survey? I'd like to fix the error you are pointing out, but I'm wondering if there is an example of a "predefined message" I can substitute that is more relevant to German Wikipedia. Thank you again for your time and feedback! --RMaung (WMF) (talk) 22:06, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
@RMaung (WMF): Thanks for your reply and sorry for my late answer. There are several templates in dewiki to greet new users, see de:WP:Begrüßung#Standardisierte Begrüßungsvorlagen. I think the phrase could be translated as: "Ich hinterlasse eine Nachricht auf seiner/ihrer Benutzerdiskussionsseite unter Verwendung einer Begrüßungsvorlage." (that would be the literal translation of "I leave a message on his/her user talk page using a greetings-template.")
Oh and about the age thing: if you are not allowed to survey people under 18, why don't you just add the following option: "I am below 18 and my parents or guardians are answering this survey for me" That way kids their parents of course know what to pick and you got your age data in a totally legal way. :P Then again adding options to questions after some people already answered them is not fair, however in the next survey this could be an option. ーŒ̷͠²ð·¨´´̢́̕͘³͏¯̞̗ 【🅱alk】 15:57, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
If the software does not allow to use different alphabetical orders for different languages you might want to use international codes in future, like "DE - Germany", "DE - Alemania" etc. Respondents should be able to find their own international code in a medium (internet) where such a code is commonly used. → «« Man77 »» [de] 16:38, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Qualtrics[edit]

If you want your data to be representative, maybe you should choose another service provider. Qualtrics has sanctioned all those living in Iran. 4nn1l2 (talk) 03:56, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Survey design[edit]

The failure of this survey to explain to ordinary editors what "...implementing your project or scheme..." actually means made it virtually impossible to answer one whole set of questions. Having then moved forward through the survey to try to understand the context of those questions, I found there was no back button (just before the personal info section.) It was thus impossible to go back and give proper answers. I'm now feeling I've spent 25 minutes answering a survey that's not applicable to my level of editing activity on en-wiki only. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:08, 17 October 2019 (UTC)