Meta:Requests for adminship/Plagiat

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a closed Meta-Wiki request. Please do not modify it.

Plagiat (withdrawn)[edit]

~~Ending 8 March 2017 10:19 (UTC)~~ withdrawed 2 March 2017 10:45 (UTC)

Plagiat (talk • contribs • deleted user contributions • logs • block log • abuse log • CentralAuth • stalktoy) Bureaucrats: user rights management.

I am requesting limited adminship due to access restrictions while maintenance work at Meta. Reasonable was my maintenance work with translator rights and a conflict with {{Template:Documentation}}. While analyzing the cause I realized that the problem isn't based on this template – no, the problems are missing templates and modules. At first I tried to ignore this template misfunction, but I always stumbled on it.

In the past few days I am analyzing {{Documentation}} transcluded templates, modules and corresponding docs. I realized that there are many missing pages and have generated an overview. It will be a lot of maintenance work, nearly 100 templates and modules and round about 260 documentation pages.

I will do this work for Meta carefully and with according caution. While reading page histories I recognized professional, qualified authors inside meta.wikimedia.org and en.wikipedia.org, so I will contact them, before struggling with updates.

I hope you will support my level WikiGnome request. --Plagiat (talk) 10:19, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

About me I am a German Wikipedian and a half a century old; torturing computer since 1981 in a soft, since 1985 in a hard way. I worked as a programmer, supporter and until 2011 as a system administrator. Due to my painful polyneuropathy I am unemployed.
I started programming with BASIC, assembler and COBOL. From 1988 to 1997 I was a Clipper and dBase freak and switched over to HTML, Javascript, ASP, PHP using MySQL and Oracle Database with Java. In the meantime I have contact with ABAP, Perl, C#, Visual Basic and … and … Lua (basic knowledge, but learning every edit).
You see, I am a Windozer with fundamental Linux knowledge.

At least: To make a long story short, I believe I am able to do my maintenance and update work at Meta in a proper way.

I have to beg your pardon: my wording is not the best and I hope you know what I want to say.

~~Weak oppose~~ Support I agree on the request with the requested task. —Alvaro Molina (✉ - ✔) 11:33, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- User is requesting indeed limited adminship. —MarcoAurelio 11:36, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - @MarcoAurelio: I did not realize it, thank you for the clarification. —Alvaro Molina (✉ - ✔) 11:45, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
~~this Question: was moved to User talk:Plagiat#Question: documentation~~

<restore> --Plagiat (talk) 18:05, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Question: I see that {{documentation}} is now not behaving as expected (cf. Template:Votings). Is it possible to fix that? Thanks, —MarcoAurelio 11:37, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @MarcoAurelio: fixed --Plagiat (talk) 12:09, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Plagiat: Thank you, however if you look at Template:Votings you'll see that your fix ain't working. Maybe any dependency on the template that was changed lately is the responsible? Thanks. —MarcoAurelio 12:11, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - @MarcoAurelio: Reverted – are you sure to receive • 1 RfLA – calling of {{Template:Votings}} should display the content of Template:Votings/doc for information. Or am I wrong? --Plagiat (talk) 12:24, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Subdocument /doc contains the description of usage, examples and template data. If you want to display your information, content have to be moved from template/doc to template :) --Plagiat (talk) 12:29, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Restoring Template:Documentation/en and your revert fixed the appearance back to how it was :) —Marco Aurelio 12:46, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but if you included this template in a page, and revert your change from today, you will receive … nothing. @MarcoAurelio: I think you want to display the noincluded information also when using {{Votings}}. And my problem pages now have no documentation again :cry:. --Plagiat (talk) 12:55, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

</restore> --Plagiat (talk) 18:05, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Not trying to nitpick but if the question was asked here it should remain here unless entirely off-topic, which I don't think it was the case. Best regards, —Marco Aurelio 16:40, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- To solve your problem (template content sourced out to subpage /doc) you need to change template Votings: {{Documentation/en|1=Template:Votings/doc}} After this update, you can include it and you will receive {{documentation}}-formatted output. As you can see our documentation/en page is a bracket and page doesn't exist at Wikipedia. --Plagiat (talk) 18:28, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What is the problem with Template:Documentation? How does it not work? Also, enwiki's templates are notoriously complicated, which is why importing them always requires importing so many other templates (and nowadays modules). But isn't there a better way? I doubt that we need all of the stuff listed on your page, e.g. en:Module:Effective protection expiry, en:Module:Hatnote, en:Module:Infobox and en:Template:Protection templates seem useless for Meta. --MF-W 20:22, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Seealso this listing: Round about 2,950 pages links to https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Documentation/en&action=edit&redlink=1, while an existing /doc subpage is available in case of 80-85%. --Plagiat (talk) 11:05, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm... confused about this request. Which templates or modules are protected from non-administrators here? We could probably just unprotect them? --MZMcBride (talk) 03:35, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For my reference, the fully edit-protected templates are here and the fully edit-protected modules are here. It's about as few as I was expecting. I'd like to hear from Plagiat which page protections are getting in the way of maintenance work. Or maybe the issue is unrelated to page protection? It's not clear which specific group rights are needed on a limited basis. Sorry if I'm being dumb. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:39, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The issue isn't based on protection level. I was wondering why high-use/-risk templates and modules aren't semi-protected to be prevented from vandalism. Following pages are protected (different levels) at Wikipedia and I would have protected them here too: Template:!, Template:!!, Template:!((, Template:=, Template:·, Template:1x, Template:Aligned table, Module:Aligned table, Template:Anchor, Module:Anchor, Module:Arguments, Template:C, Module:Category handler, Module:Category handler/blacklist, Module:Category handler/config, Module:Category handler/data, Module:Category handler/shared, Template:Clear, Template:Code2, Template:Collapse bottom, Template:Collapse top, Module:Color contrast, Module:Color contrast/colors, Template:Commons, Template:Distinguish, Module:Distinguish, Template:Double underline, Template:Du, Template:E, Template:Edit, Module:Effective protection expiry, Module:Effective protection level, Template:Error, Module:Error, Template:Evalns, Module:File link, Template:Hatnote, Module:Hatnote, Module:Hatnote list, Template:Hidden begin, Template:Hidden end, Template:High-risk, Template:High-use, Template:History, Template:Icon, Module:Icon, Module:Icon/data, Template:If, Template:Infobox, Module:Infobox, Template:Interwikitmp-grp, Template:Interwikitmp-grp/core, Module:Labelled list hatnote, Module:List, Template:Lorem ipsum, Template:Lts, Template:Main other, Module:Math, Template:Mbox, Template:Mbox templates, Module:Message box, Module:Message box/configuration, Template:Middot, Template:Mono, Template:N/a, Module:Namespace detect, Module:Namespace detect/config, Module:Namespace detect/data, Template:Navbar, Module:Navbar, Template:Navbox, Module:Navbox, Template:Navbox with collapsible groups, Module:No globals, Template:Nobold, Template:Noitalic, Template:Nowrap, Template:Ombox, Template:Order of magnitude, Template:P1, Template:P2, Template:Para, Template:Plainlist, Template:Portal, Module:Portal, Module:Portal/images/a, Module:Portal/images/c, Template:Pp, Template:Pp-protected, Template:Pp-vandalism, Template:Precision, Module:Protection banner, Module:Protection banner/config, Template:Purge, Module:Purge, Template:R from move, Template:R from template shortcut, Template:R semi-protected, Template:Redirect template, Module:Redirect template, Template:Redr, Template:Resize, Template:Rnd, Template:See also, Template:Shortcut, Module:Shortcut, Module:Shortcut/config, Template:Side box, Module:Side box, Template:Sigfig, Template:Significant figures, Template:Sister project, Template:Smaller, Template:Stack, Template:Stack begin, Template:Stack end, Template:Str crop, Template:Str endswith, Module:Str endswith, Module:String, Module:TableTools, Template:Tag, Template:Template other, Template:Template shortcut, Template:TemplateData header, Template:TemplateDataHeader, Template:Tfd links, Module:TfdLinks, Template:This is a redirect, Template:Ti, Template:Tiw, Template:Tl, Template:Tl2, Template:Tla, Template:Tlc, Template:Tld, Template:Tlf, Template:Tlg, Template:Tlu, Template:Tlx, Template:Tnull, Template:TOC limit, Template:TOClimit, Template:Toolbar, Module:Toolbar, Template:Ttl, Template:Val/delimitnum, Template:Valid, Template:Var, Template:Void, Template:When pagename is, Template:Yesno, Module:Yesno, Template:Documentation, Module:Documentation and Module:Documentation/doc, Template:Documentation subpage, Module:Documentation/config

--Plagiat (talk) 11:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw: I see I have made a fault. I thought the bigger part of templates and modules are imported from Wikipedia or vice versa. Now I realised, that isn't the case. I prefer imports with all related objects, not picking the solution main part and piece missing parts together, to get it to work, ignoring some missing templates or modules. I continue my maintenance doings now, ignoring red linked Template:Documentation/en, as I know I can get the documentation by adding /doc to the url. Thanks for your time, sorry for disturbing and confusion. I had to ask before, saving my time. --Plagiat (talk) 10:46, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Forgotten: I only have done this request for limited adminship, because I want to do imports via Special:Import and to protect important pages from IP vandalism. So … --Plagiat (talk) 11:26, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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